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Constitutional carry, concealed carry permits, background checks, etc

It’s all perfectly irrelevant
 
That is quite a statement. Do you have evidence that constitutional carry accounts for a meaningful part in violent crime?
There actually is data suggesting relaxation of carry laws leads to an increase in gun violence. You will never hear about it because the gun rights folks muffle anything that suggests that there is any issue with carrying a gun. Look before you accuse me of being anti gun, I am not. Not an owner but I have no problem with a citizen obtaining one within reasonable rules. Why should we relax background checks and common sense measures?

Going back to your question. Here is the data that you will never see. It is rather ridiculous to suggest that this is the only factor in increased crime. It is equally ridiculous to suggest that increased crime is only because of bad local policing and enforcement policies.


Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health show that states removing concealed carry licensing requirements (and their corresponding live-fire training mandates) experienced a 32 percent increase in gun assaults.

:Research analyzed by organizations such as the Giffords Law Center indicates that weakening public carry standards is associated with a 13% to 15% increase in violent crime rates.

Analyses, including research from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, suggest right-to-carry expansions increase stolen gun rates, which boosts the supply of illegal firearms on the street.
 
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Officer-Involved Shootings and Concealed Carry Weapons Permitting Laws: Analysis of Gun Violence Archive Data, 2014-2020​

Mitchell L Doucette "Center for Gun Violence Solutions, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA. [email protected]."

About 1,000 civilians are killed every year by a law enforcement officer in the USA, more than 90% by firearms. Most civilians who are shot are armed with a firearms. Higher rates of officer-involved shootings (OIS) are positively associated with state-level firearm ownership. Laws relaxing restrictions on civilians carrying concealed firearms (CCW) have been associated with increased violent crime. This study examines associations between CCW laws and OIS. We accessed counts of fatal and nonfatal OIS from the Gun Violence Archive (GVA) from 2014-2020 and calculated rates using population estimates. We conducted legal research to identify passage years of CCW laws. We used an augmented synthetic control models with fixed effects to estimate the effect of Permitless CCW law adoption on OIS over fourteen biannual semesters. We calculated an inverse variance weighted average of the overall effect. On average, Permitless CCW adopting states saw a 12.9% increase in the OIS victimization rate or an additional 4 OIS victimizations per year, compared to what would have happened had law adoption not occurred. Lax laws regulating civilian carrying of concealed firearms were associated with higher incidence of OIS. The increase in concealed gun carrying frequency associated with these laws may influence the perceived threat of danger faced by law enforcement. This could contribute to higher rates of OIS.
 

Impact of Changes to Concealed-Carry Weapons Laws on Fatal and Nonfatal Violent Crime, 1980-2019​

Mitchell L Doucette, Alexander D McCourt, Cassandra K Crifasi, Daniel W Webster

Abstract​

The United States faces rapidly rising rates of violent crime committed with firearms. In this study, we sought to estimate the impact of changes to laws that regulate the concealed carrying of weapons (concealed-carry weapons (CCW) laws) on violent crimes committed with a firearm. We used augmented synthetic control models and random-effects meta-analyses to estimate state-specific effects and the average effect of adopting shall-issue CCW permitting laws on rates of 6 violent crimes: homicide with a gun, homicide by other means, aggravated assault with a gun, aggravated assault with a knife, robbery with a gun, and robbery with a knife. The average effects were stratified according to the presence or absence of several shall-issue permit provisions. Adoption of a shall-issue CCW law was associated with a 9.5% increase in rates of assault with a firearm during the first 10 years after law adoption and was associated with an 8.8% increase in rates of homicide by other means. When shall-issue laws allowed violent misdemeanants to acquire CCW permits, the laws were associated with higher rates of gun assaults. It is likely that adoption of shall-issue CCW laws has increased rates of nonfatal violent crime committed with firearms. Harmful effects of shall-issue laws are most clear when provisions intended to reduce risks associated with civilian gun-carrying are absent.
 
So in a nutshell, one could say that a possible reason that Memphis, StLouis, and Little Rock lead the country in violent crime is that all of these cities are in states that have relaxed gun carry laws to the detriment of their populace. I have looked and I see no evidence that your conclusion of the association of local government policies with violent crimes has any bearing. If I am missing something, prove me wrong. It is also equally appropriate to just concede an argument that you can't win. My suggestion is the latter.
 
Lol, wow

You seem to trust the violent attacks you read about on random social media and right wing sites is a more accurate representation than actual statistics by the NYPD.
No that’s not what I said. I don’t doubt the stats. It’s just that they have nothing to do with Mandami. He’s passed no policies or enacted anything to effectuate any change in this regard. Any decrease in crime is completely unrelated to him entering office in January.
 
No that’s not what I said. I don’t doubt the stats. It’s just that they have nothing to do with Mandami. He’s passed no policies or enacted anything to effectuate any change in this regard. Any decrease in crime is completely unrelated to him entering office in January.
Except he actually did enact policy changes. I know it's hard to admit he can do anything good, but even Trump has warmed up to the guy.


Looks like he increased police presence in violent areas and confiscated more illegal firearms.


There was establishment of school and transportation safety zones and targeting of gangs as well.

Policies like more accessible child care could contribute as well.
 
No that’s not what I said. I don’t doubt the stats. It’s just that they have nothing to do with Mandami. He’s passed no policies or enacted anything to effectuate any change in this regard. Any decrease in crime is completely unrelated to him entering office in January.
With respect you don't know what you are talking about.
 
Except he actually did enact policy changes. I know it's hard to admit he can do anything good, but even Trump has warmed up to the guy.


Looks like he increased police presence in violent areas and confiscated more illegal firearms.


There was establishment of school and transportation safety zones and targeting of gangs as well.

Policies like more accessible child care could contribute as well.
So help me with this -

Is MORE police presence left wing?
 
Except he actually did enact policy changes. I know it's hard to admit he can do anything good, but even Trump has warmed up to the guy.


Looks like he increased police presence in violent areas and confiscated more illegal firearms.


There was establishment of school and transportation safety zones and targeting of gangs as well.

Policies like more accessible child care could contribute as well.
If he did that’s amazing and completely contradicts what he ran on so good for him
 
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yes, crazy to think that some people believe that policing is a conservative only idea.

liberals do not hate cops, thats only a narrative certain conservatives use to further their agenda.

liberals are concerned on individual rights and are very perturbed when police violate the rights of the individual citizen.
 
yes, crazy to think that some people believe that policing is a conservative only idea.

liberals do not hate cops, thats only a narrative certain conservatives use to further their agenda.

liberals are concerned on individual rights and are very perturbed when police violate the rights of the individual citizen.
policing is conservative.
Not prosecuting is liberal.
 
yes, crazy to think that some people believe that policing is a conservative only idea.

liberals do not hate cops, thats only a narrative certain conservatives use to further their agenda.

liberals are concerned on individual rights and are very perturbed when police violate the rights of the individual citizen.
Defunding the police has definitely been a huge part of GOP platform in recent years.
 
If he did that’s amazing and completely contradicts what he ran on so good for him
As best I can tell police staffing hasn't changed a lot, but distribution has. He reversed calls for cutting the police department early in his campaign and admitted so.

Any decent politician should be willing to adapt and admit when they're wrong.
 
No need for orchid, these things are all TRUE. Not all peaceful obviously, but mostly.
Everyone on here knows that if a bunch of black folks marched on the capital instead of the composition of the Jan 6 crowd the story would have turned out a lot differently (ie scores of protesters would have been shot).

The evidence is on video for all to see what happened. They were all pardoned and to further erase it Trump is trying to give them money too.

It is all on video.
 
Everyone on here knows that if a bunch of black folks marched on the capital instead of the composition of the Jan 6 crowd the story would have turned out a lot differently (ie scores of protesters would have been shot).

The evidence is on video for all to see what happened. They were all pardoned and to further erase it Trump is trying to give them money too.

It is all on video.
Or hire them to work work at the Pentagon.

 
Everyone on here knows that if a bunch of black folks marched on the capital instead of the composition of the Jan 6 crowd the story would have turned out a lot differently (ie scores of protesters would have been shot).

The evidence is on video for all to see what happened. They were all pardoned and to further erase it Trump is trying to give them money too.

It is all on video.
You have a lot of demons my friend. I hope you slay them some day.
 
No demons. I love my life and I am better because of the people in it.

Actually hyper, when some time goes by and you grow out of Trump Adoration Syndrone (TAS) I think that we may agree slightly more.
It's just that race is obviously a large part of your life and identity. Which is fine. You're not alone and obviously a highly functioning person.

I would be so happy if democrats nominate someone I like. I have no loyalty to Trump or repubs. But national socialism is a deal breaker for me. Individual state socialism is completely fine and I would love to see it successfully implemented.
 
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It's just that race is obviously a large part of your life and identity. Which is fine. You're not alone and obviously a highly functioning person.

I would be so happy if democrats nominate someone I like. I have no loyalty to Trump or repubs. But national socialism is a deal breaker for me. Individual state socialism is completely fine and I would love to see it successfully implemented.
No you have it wrong. Anyone who knows me in real life knows that race does not consume me
I simply speak out when people try to depict us as a race neutral society with no advantage to white skin.

If people admit its a factor, then I leave it alone. But when they dont then I speak out.

A good book to read is “The White Bonus: Five Families and the Cash Value of Racism in America,” McMillan who is white, traces just how much of her family’s modest wealth can be attributed to policies and practices that have systematically hurt Black Americans. It was $370000 lifetime.
 
I would be so happy if democrats nominate someone I like. I have no loyalty to Trump or repubs. But national socialism is a deal breaker for me. Individual state socialism is completely fine and I would love to see it successfully implemented.
I do get what you are saying here. Democracy-loving conservatives don’t have the party home that they deserve, and they need to rebuild one immediately. Both parties are have been taking over by radicals.

As you have said, Democrats in general now accept socialism over capitalism. A recent poll said that 62 percent of democrats feel that socialism reflects their wishes. Only 42 percent say that about capitalism. This is most stark in those under 45.

The current Republican Party has morphed into an organization that’s no longer committed to democracy. Right now, it’s an uneasy combination of white nationalism and libertarianism.
 
Furthermore The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise, and unmoved by conventional understanding of facts or evidence or science
 
Furthermore The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise, and unmoved by conventional understanding of facts or evidence or science
50/50 split on popular vote?
And your current darling is a Nazi tattoo sporting sociopath. Disavow this guy or pay the price.
 
50/50 split on popular vote?
And your current darling is a Nazi tattoo sporting sociopath. Disavow this guy or pay the price.
not a current darling.

platner is an easy and convenient excuse, but is a nothing in general.

there has never been a better time for a third party
 
The fact that most dems prefer socialism over capitalism is sad and scary and tells you which side is “ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise, and unmoved by conventional understanding of facts or evidence or science“
I do get what you are saying here. Democracy-loving conservatives don’t have the party home that they deserve, and they need to rebuild one immediately. Both parties are have been taking over by radicals.

As you have said, Democrats in general now accept socialism over capitalism. A recent poll said that 62 percent of democrats feel that socialism reflects their wishes. Only 42 percent say that about capitalism. This is most stark in those under 45.

The current Republican Party has morphed into an organization that’s no longer committed to democracy. Right now, it’s an uneasy combination of white nationalism and libertarianism.
 
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but I got reminded of this. I believe @Pain Applicant1 owes @hyperalgesia a donut.

@clubdeac would you agree?

Lol, a bit stalkish of you but it's cool

Too early for the donut. Policy takes time to trickle down. Let's see how it plays out. He kept that that police cheif on board so that's a good thing.
 
Lol, a bit stalkish of you but it's cool

Too early for the donut. Policy takes time to trickle down. Let's see how it plays out. He kept that that police cheif on board so that's a good thing.
What is the internet good for if we can't resurrect old dead-end political discussions? 😁

Just make it an elaborate donut with stuffing, etc. None of this plain glazed business.
 
What do you think about this American food? Delish or what?


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How does it compare to food elsewhere?

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Why is our food the same color for the most part, but theirs is so colorful?
if you are trying to tell me mediterranean and asian food is better than here: you arent goign to get an argument out of me

my question to you is: will you be selling the bottom 2 pics at your FEC? my bet is it is closer to the top
 
if you are trying to tell me mediterranean and asian food is better than here: you arent goign to get an argument out of me

my question to you is: will you be selling the bottom 2 pics at your FEC? my bet is it is closer to the top
Donuts and chicken all the way.

I have to respond to demand. 🙁
 
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