Some application numbers from IR and DR PD

[DrfluffyMD]

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My buddy in NY spoke with his DR and IR residency PD recently and told me about the numbers so far in the cycle. So far it seems like the numbers are comparable to last year.

Appearently the IR PD recieved more than 200 applications for his IR/DR program. I checked the SIR training directory and looks like there are only 122 IR spots this year.

Competition is tough! But not impossible.

 

[reslife56789]

So does that mean it will likely be a more much more competitive year for DR, given that most programs are giving previous DR spots (about 2/8 at our program) for IR and increased number of applicants?

 

[redoitall]

the IR PD received more than 200 applications for his IR/DR program.

In my opinion this is a very conservative estimate. I am pretty sure more than half of applicants will apply to some IR programs. I remember that even I did so for the simple reason that you get a "bargain" as far as application fees. I applied to 10 IR program (to pay the flat fee of $100 bucks). The way I saw it is that it was better to have more than less chances. I ranked my first IR program #7 or so. Clearly I was interested by DR, but IR was not out of the question.
I am sure many applicants will feel this way and I don't think that many will apply exclusively to DR or IR programs.
So I would not worry to much about the number of applicants. Things will sort themselves out. If one is hardcore IR, then I would presume that 1) one has things to show for it as far as rotations/letters and 2) one will speak with conviction and that should transpire during one's interview.

Good luck to all the hopeful and remember, even DR offers the possibility of doing a lot of procedure. And most of private practice IR folks will still do a lot of DR...

 

[Tiger100]

In my opinion this is a very conservative estimate. I am pretty sure more than half of applicants will apply to some IR programs. I remember that even I did so for the simple reason that you get a "bargain" as far as application fees. I applied to 10 IR program (to pay the flat fee of $100 bucks). The way I saw it is that it was better to have more than less chances. I ranked my first IR program #7 or so. Clearly I was interested by DR, but IR was not out of the question.
I am sure many applicants will feel this way and I don't think that many will apply exclusively to DR or IR programs.
So I would not worry to much about the number of applicants. Things will sort themselves out. If one is hardcore IR, then I would presume that 1) one has things to show for it as far as rotations/letters and 2) one will speak with conviction and that should transpire during one's interview.

Good luck to all the hopeful and remember, even DR offers the possibility of doing a lot of procedure. And most of private practice IR folks will still do a lot of DR...

Some people on this forum don't agree with this statement and will even make all sorts of personal attacks if you bring it up.

Disclaimer: Most private practice jobs that I have seen expect IR to do about 40-50% DR.

 

[Fab5Hill33]

Stop trolling the threads with false information that is IRRELEVANT to the topic at hand.

WILL THE MODERATORS PLEASE STOP THIS TROLL ONCE AND FOR ALL???

People on this forum don't agree with this statement and will even make all sorts of personal attacks if you bring it up.

Disclaimer: Most private practice jobs that I have seen expect IR to do about 40-50% DR.

 

[redoitall]

People on this forum don't agree with this statement and will even make all sorts of personal attacks if you bring it up.
Disclaimer: Most private practice jobs that I have seen expect IR to do about 40-50% DR.

This doesn't contradict my statement stating that as an IR doc you still do a good amount of DR, or I missed something somewhere. The actual number I believe is beside the point here (particularly since it will vary from one practice to another over a wide range), and I am not sure why someone would "attack someone else" for so little (but what do I know). The point here is that even if you don't end up doing IR, you will have a chance to perform procedures as a DR doc. Similarly, IR docs can't expect to do IR only except in academic centers and perhaps in some particular setting.
I am currently on a Ultrasound elective in which I am actually performing US guided procedures. These are relatively easy, low stress, with little risks and complications. I personally enjoy them, even as a future DR doc, and wouldn't mind doing these 1 to few days a week. It's not the hardcore vascular/neuro IR stuff for sure though. I would say that these relatively light procedures are actually quite rewarding and pleasant to perform.

But back to the original issue (subject of the thread), it is hard to read into "competitiveness" because most applicants will apply to both IR + DR with some sort of preference toward one or the other. It makes it difficult to know how many "hadrcore" IR folks are out there.

 

[Tiger100]

Stop trolling the threads with false information that is IRRELEVANT to the topic at hand.

WILL THE MODERATORS PLEASE STOP THIS TROLL ONCE AND FOR ALL???

1- Other poster brought up this topic. I didn't. I just gave a comment on his post.

2- It is not false information. It is a part of IR job in private practice.

3- What is the point of writing a sentence all in bold?

 

[Tiger100]

I'm going for IR, but I also like DR and I probably wouldn't mind this so... What's your point?

Someone talked about it and I warned them that some posters will attack him/her as you can see above.

My point is that if you want to go into private practice doing DR will be considered a necessary skill. So doing DR residency plus IR fellowship versus IR residency won't be any different. The only exception is if you want to join academics. It is very RELEVANT to this topic unless someone is ignorant or biased.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

This doesn't contradict my statement stating that as an IR doc you still do a good amount of DR, or I missed something somewhere. The actual number I believe is beside the point here (particularly since it will vary from one practice to another over a wide range), and I am not sure why someone would "attack someone else" for so little (but what do I know). The point here is that even if you don't end up doing IR, you will have a chance to perform procedures as a DR doc. Similarly, IR docs can't expect to do IR only except in academic centers and perhaps in some particular setting.
I am currently on a Ultrasound elective in which I am actually performing US guided procedures. These are relatively easy, low stress, with little risks and complications. I personally enjoy them, even as a future DR doc, and wouldn't mind doing these 1 to few days a week. It's not the hardcore vascular/neuro IR stuff for sure though. I would say that these relatively light procedures are actually quite rewarding and pleasant to perform.

But back to the original issue (subject of the thread), it is hard to read into "competitiveness" because most applicants will apply to both IR + DR with some sort of preference toward one or the other. It makes it difficult to know how many "hadrcore" IR folks are out there.

Sounds like how life is like in private practice. I was told that much of light IR procedures are performed by DRs.

There is a push toward a new breed of IRs where they do nearly 100% IR in private practice, and that's an ongoing movement.

 

[Tiger100]

I've seen you fuming and raging coming over the new integrated IR residency for the past few weeks. If the current perception of IR makes you feel so strongly negative, why frequent this part of SDN at all? Why not just go somewhere that you can be constructive and get along with the other members?

Just that you'd continue to spend such a significant amount of time on a message board to write antagonistic and destructive posts demonstrates super cringy and weird IRL characteristics .

Could you please tell me what part of my post is negative, antagonistic or destructive?

Saying that IR has to do DR work is negative?? Seriously. Could you please tell me for example on this topic which part of my post is negative?

Someone says IR has to do DR in private practice. A few poster jump at him and call him TROLL and do all sorts of personal attacks. Really? What part of it is negative? I am doing DR and I am proud of my work. Do you really think doing DR is such a low key terrible job that you find my post destructive?

My statement is correct and you can ask real life radiologists but even if you think it is not or you have a different experience, why you get offended? Why you find it destructive?

Go back to the post and see who first talked about IR and DR. And why is this relevant to the topic. As I said, Since IR is expected to do a good amount of DR in private practice, doing DR + IR fellowship versus IR residency is not going to be that important. As a result, if the OP wants to join private practice, it doesn't matter. As you see it is a very relevant discussion for the OP.

 

[Bobcat18]

Did you get any information on how many DR applications he had this year compared to last?

My buddy in NY spoke with his DR and IR residency PD recently and told me about the numbers so far in the cycle. So far it seems like the numbers are comparable to last year.

Appearently the IR PD recieved more than 200 applications for his IR/DR program. I checked the SIR training directory and looks like there are only 122 IR spots this year.

Competition is tough! But not impossible.

 

[Tiger100]

Sounds like how life is like in private practice. I was told that much of light IR procedures are performed by DRs.

There is a push toward a new breed of IRs where they do nearly 100% IR in private practice, and that's an ongoing movement.

In most private practices, all the needle work goes to IR with very few exceptions like breast biopsies. The main reason is increasing efficacy. It is a huge disruption in workflow of a DR in pp to leave the reading station and do needle work.

Obviously, it is not the case everywhere and practices are different. In some practices, DR may do thora, para and thyroid FNAs. In some practices, DR even goes as far as doing nephrostomy tubes and drains. A lot of it depends on practice set up.

Having said that, most IRs that I have worked with prefer to do a mixture of IR and DR. Most DRs prefer to have some needle work on the side. But at the end of the day, the workflow of the group and efficacy dictates the practice set up. Especially if you want to work in a desirable location, usually you can not dictate what you want or don't want to do.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

Did you get any information on how many DR applications he had this year compared to last?

It was said that the number of DR applicant is roughly similar to last year.

 

[Tiger100]

The way you're doing it is toxic, though.


You seem to be projecting here. I said I enjoy DR.

I'm just not understanding why you're on a quest to solve whatever "perceived issue" you're talking about.

1- You didn't answer my question. What part of my post was negative and destructive?

2- Did you read my post? I try to solve the wrong impression about IR in private practice since some posters here give false information and a lot of posters are medical students and don't have real life experience. When I was in med school thousand of years ago I had all sorts of wrong impression about real life medicine.

Doing a good amount of DR in private practice as an IR trained physician is VERY RELEVANT to this discussion. It can be the strength of IR and if you want to do IR but match in a DR program, you are still in the right track. That was the whole point. I think we had enough discussion about it.