Some issues with prescribers

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Problem: Receiving a script with a swirl or line as a signature.
Solution: Please circle your name if it is printed on the top or get a name stamp pad. It's too time consuming to call the hospital/clinic.

Problem: Giving refills on antibiotics for one time infections
Solution: Pts don't know better. Many refill the prescription one month later. This wastes money and is unnecessary drug use. Just don't give refills for these.

Problem: Prescribing metformin for pre-diabetics
Solution: Well, at least you got a baseline SCr like I suggested.

Problem: Using the word "plz" in your electronic progress note.
Solution: Actually not my problem. It reflects on you, not me.

Feel free to add
 
Doctors who repeatedly forget to write their DEA # on controlled prescriptions. How many times do we have to call asking to write it on there before they remember it???

It's a law in our state, dunno about other states.
 
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Problem: Receiving a script with a swirl or line as a signature.
Solution: Please circle your name if it is printed on the top or get a name stamp pad. It's too time consuming to call the hospital/clinic.

Problem: Giving refills on antibiotics for one time infections
Solution: Pts don't know better. Many refill the prescription one month later. This wastes money and is unnecessary drug use. Just don't give refills for these.

Problem: Prescribing metformin for pre-diabetics
Solution: Well, at least you got a baseline SCr like I suggested.

Problem: Using the word "plz" in your electronic progress note.
Solution: Actually not my problem. It reflects on you, not me.

Feel free to add

Problem: Receiving a script with a swirl or line as a signature.
Solution: Please circle your name if it is printed on the top or get a name stamp pad. It's too time consuming to call the hospital/clinic.

Problem: Giving refills on antibiotics for one time infections
Solution: Pts don't know better. Many refill the prescription one month later. This wastes money and is unnecessary drug use. Just don't give refills for these.

Problem: Prescribing metformin for pre-diabetics
Solution: Well, at least you got a baseline SCr like I suggested.

Problem: Using the word "plz" in your electronic progress note.
Solution: Actually not my problem. It reflects on you, not me.

Feel free to add

1. Tell me one pharmacist who has lost their license for picking the wrong doctor/putting in the "Hospital/Clinic" as the prescriber on a non-control.Hint: it's 0. Either pick a name that closely matches the signature under the phone number on the clinic/hospital or pick the name of the place. Exceptions: stupid insurance companies that require a specific prescriber ID, or controls.

2. Ditto - but why does it matter that much to you? Antibiotics are also the easiest scripts to fill (I tell people to wait by the register and hand them their zpak in under 2 minutes. Makes me look amazing).

3. Um, hasn't metformin been shown to improve outcomes/prevent or delay progression to T2DM combined with good diet/exercise?

4. Ditto.

Here are some of my pet peeves

1. Sloppy hand writing. I mean come on.

2. Not writing a DEA number on a scheduled drug. Now that is f'ing annoying.

3. Not knowing how to use your f'ing ePrescribe software. Seriously douchebag, you're going to prescribe 6740 units of insulin with 6 refills? Let me just pour it into a 2 oz bottle. Or how about the ones who write for Lisinopril 20 mg 1 QD Quantity: 1 tablet or anything else because they were too forgetful. Or the ones who always forget to write for 90 day supplies in patients who want it.

4. Docs who write DAW for Brand Nazis. I have a patient who must have brand Klonopin, Maxzide, Flonase, etc. She easily adds thousands of dollars to my inventory because of her.

5. Docs who write for Dexilant. Then when I call in the inevitable PA, and ask for them to write a generic, they call in Aciphex. Then after that needs a PA, they call in Nexium. Makes me want to scream.

6. Any doctor who still writes for Dyazide. Seriously, no excuse for that anymore. Especially cardiologists.

These are just some.
 
Derms who write DAW1. Really? You really need the $400 version of doxy? No. You don't.

Nitrofurantoin in everyone with a bladder infection. Even if they are 90 years old with one kidney.

Advair for a URI.

PRN albuterol refills.

Weight based dosing without providing a weight. Sometimes (sadly) the parents don't know.
 
Depends on what it is for. Albuterol? Not appropriate.
 
MDs who fax back "refill x3" after having been faxed to call for a prior authorization.

When an MD won't change a medication for a patient who can't afford what they wrote for. So it would be better that they take nothing?
 
Depends on what it is for. Albuterol? Not appropriate.

Why? Because the doctor should be monitoring? Is there a fear the patient will abuse albuterol?

MDs who fax back "refill x3" after having been faxed to call for a prior authorization.

When an MD won't change a medication for a patient who can't afford what they wrote for. So it would be better that they take nothing?

The first one drives me nuts. Your time is too valuable to read the huge "PRIOR AUTHORIZATION REQUIRED" at the top?
 
What do the asthma and COPD guidelines say about control and step therapy? Noncompliance is some of the issue but only part.
 
Well, maybe if you have one of those 60 puff Ventolins :laugh:
 
What do the asthma and COPD guidelines say about control and step therapy? Noncompliance is some of the issue but only part.

The GOLD guidelines call for a short acting broncodilator when needed for all stages of COPD. Mild COPD calls for SABA only (plus risk reduction, smoking cessation, etc) Moderate COPD calls for SABA plus LABA. After that you start getting into inhaled corticosteriods and/or oxygen. So I don't see the problem with albuteral prn, unless the problem is that is their only therapy, or the only one they routinely use (which I have heard is a big problem?).

I don't know the asthma guidelines off the top of my head, and I am on break so the chances of me looking them up are slim. 😛
 
What do the asthma and COPD guidelines say about control and step therapy? Noncompliance is some of the issue but only part.
Using a rescue inhaler more than a certain number of days per week (I believe 2?) indicates that you need to go up a step, so either add or increase controller meds.


Edit: bah, beaten. At least I was right about the 2.
 
Rules of Two

No reason someone (Not using it for EIA) needs PRN refills or even 3 refills/year. Most doctors just refuse to manage asthma appropriately especially family pract doctors
Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Not to mention the smokers with "bronchitis". Well, I guess it is bronchitis but not the kind that should be managed with PRN albuterol.
 
The GOLD guidelines call for a short acting broncodilator when needed for all stages of COPD. Mild COPD calls for SABA only (plus risk reduction, smoking cessation, etc) Moderate COPD calls for SABA plus LABA. After that you start getting into inhaled corticosteriods and/or oxygen. So I don't see the problem with albuteral prn, unless the problem is that is their only therapy, or the only one they routinely use (which I have heard is a big problem?).

I don't know the asthma guidelines off the top of my head, and I am on break so the chances of me looking them up are slim. 😛
It's not albuterol PRN that is the problem per se, but the PRN refills. If you are using 200 puffs a month, that's a problem.
 
It's not albuterol PRN that is the problem per se, but the PRN refills. If you are using 200 puffs a month, that's a problem.

Yeah that makes sense. 👍

I was definitely not looking at it from the right angle. 😳
 
You might consider, especially if it's the summer, that some of these prescriptions are being written by interns who don't always know how to write prescriptions. I was on the receiving end of a couple of those calls myself as a new intern, and a little education by the pharmacist was both helpful and appreciated.
 
MDs who leave messages that can only rival busta ryhmes or an auctioneer.

Slow the heck down.
 
Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Not to mention the smokers with "bronchitis". Well, I guess it is bronchitis but not the kind that should be managed with PRN albuterol.
Cigarette companies should get in on that, I imagine you can smoke considerably more/faster with some beta agonist. Forget adding all of that tar.
 
MDs who leave messages that can only rival busta ryhmes or an auctioneer.

Slow the heck down.

Or the MD who personally (not his nurse) calls in to the voicemail and has no idea what he wants. The 3 1/2 minute message goes something like: This is Dr XYZ. I'm calling in a prescription for Jane Doe, DOB...ummm...crap, where is that written on here? Let's see...okay here it is. I need pyridium plus, 1 qid x 7d. Wait, let me check on that. Lets do tid. Yeah, and how about 3 days, no, 2, yes, pyridium plus 1 tid x 2d. Now, let's see...Cipro...

...and it seems like it will never end.
 
You might consider, especially if it's the summer, that some of these prescriptions are being written by interns who don't always know how to write prescriptions. I was on the receiving end of a couple of those calls myself as a new intern, and a little education by the pharmacist was both helpful and appreciated.

Inexperience isn't an excuse for sloppy and dangerous practices. At best you waste my time and worst you hurt someone.
 
You might consider, especially if it's the summer, that some of these prescriptions are being written by interns who don't always know how to write prescriptions. I was on the receiving end of a couple of those calls myself as a new intern, and a little education by the pharmacist was both helpful and appreciated.
Serious question: if I write on the fax "Need patient weight" for a weight-based RX or "pt on simva 40 and amlodipine, recommend max dose of simva 20 in patients on amlodipine" what more education do you need? I want to help people but I'm not understanding the issue.
 
MDs who fax back "refill x3" after having been faxed to call for a prior authorization.

When an MD won't change a medication for a patient who can't afford what they wrote for. So it would be better that they take nothing?

I have an Dr. that just signed the form and fax back. They think that once they sign the PA request form to us, the drug get covered automatically?
 
Once had a prescription for Ambien #30 + 1 comp. The pharmacist said sure, right after we send the patient back for one comp exam. :laugh:

Why would anyone think they can direct us to give away medication? Has anyone seen this, or better yet, done it?
 
I have an Dr. that just signed the form and fax back. They think that once they sign the PA request form to us, the drug get covered automatically?
This happens pretty frequently, whether it be a PA request, clarification, dosing, etc. My guess is that they think "oh, pharmacy, let's approve their request," and because the majority of the requests should be refills, that's what they think it is. Our forms now have a header that says "NOT A REFILL REQUEST! NOT A REFILL REQUEST! NOT A REFILL REQUEST!" across the top, and this has shown some improvements.

The scary part of this theory is that there are docs just authorizing things without reading them. But it's probably just desensitization, like all the DUR things that pop up for us (another scary situation).
 
Serious question: if I write on the fax "Need patient weight" for a weight-based RX or "pt on simva 40 and amlodipine, recommend max dose of simva 20 in patients on amlodipine" what more education do you need? I want to help people but I'm not understanding the issue.
I never send or receive faxes from pharmacies, so I can't comment on that.

What I'm talking about is that when I first started residency, I got a couple of calls from the hospital pharmacists for orders that I wrote wrong, and once from a community pharmacist for a prescription that I wrote wrong. I can't remember any of the specifics now, but in each case, the pharmacist who called me told me what I needed to do, and I re-wrote the order. The community pharmacist verified what I meant to write on the prescription, and I didn't have to re-write the prescription. The one time that I forgot to put my DEA number on an opioid prescription, the pharmacist refused to fill it, and the patient's husband had to come back to get a new prescription. They were understandably unhappy about this, especially because they lived fairly far away from the hospital. So I didn't make that mistake again. 😉

The most helpful thing I learned from one of the hospital pharmacists is that there is a 24-hour pharmacy pager to help physicians with drug questions. Now I just page them if I'm not sure how to order something, and problem solved for all involved.
 
I do love CPOE. It presents its own problems but the details like DEA and date and such at least aren't an issue with CPOE.
 
I do love CPOE. It presents its own problems but the details like DEA and date and such at least aren't an issue with CPOE.

CPOE presents its own challenges but overall it is glorious! Even better when you verify orders via laptop on the unit, that way prescribers just ask questions about drug therapy right then and there and no need to decline/clarify orders.🙂
 
It is always "fun" to play phone tag via the MA for something which could be easily solved if I could actually speak with the prescriber.
 
Physician offices faxing over a copy of a printed e-script that instead of a Dr's manual signature, merely states "Electronically signed by Dr John Doe"
 
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