Specializing in Germany

[Yolms]

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Does anybody know how do you do to make your specialization in Germany? I'm a Spanish student of medicine. I've read several things, depending if you go to Germany by yourself or if you go by the IESKA (Instituto de estudios superiores). I'm a bit confused because the work conditions are very different, so I'd like to know if any of you has done his residence there.

 

[Narkose]

You just apply by the individual hospitals that you wish you do your residency in. The hospital will pay your salary. Often, the contract only lasts 6months to 1 year, after which time you apply for an extension or seek employment in any other hospital. Certain specialties such as pediatrics are particularly popular in Germany but for the most part, the hospitals are in dire need of "assistenzaerzte".

 

[Yolms]

I'd like heart or toracic surgery. How's the demand there?

 

[vexa]

I think you´ll have really good chances. I only red a few months ago that they are in desperate need of new "recruits". I might find the article in one of my magazines, if I do I will mail it to you.
For more information use the forums of medi-learn.de
Best wishes, Eva

 

[Yolms]

I think you´ll have really good chances. I only red a few months ago that they are in desperate need of new "recruits". I might find the article in one of my magazines, if I do I will mail it to you.
For more information use the forums of medi-learn.de
Best wishes, Eva

Thank you very much. I'll visit them. 😀 I think it's a good experience to study abroad. It gives you experience and fills you as a person.

 

[f_w]

If you are interested in CT surg, you shouldn't have a problem to find a position. Keep in mind however that you won't do any surgery for the first 5 years. It is not like in the US where residency guarantees you a certain level of training. If you come from abroad, you will be the one doing the work on the wards for years without ever putting your foot into the OR. That is the reason why you will find open positions in CT surg.

 

[Narkose]

If you are interested in CT surg, you shouldn't have a problem to find a position. Keep in mind however that you won't do any surgery for the first 5 years. It is not like in the US where residency guarantees you a certain level of training. If you come from abroad, you will be the one doing the work on the wards for years without ever putting your foot into the OR. That is the reason why you will find open positions in CT surg.

so true. Just one of more reasons I had to leave this beloved country. Elbowing other colleagues out in order to advance your own career is not a path I wish to take.

 

[Yolms]

Well 5 years. I think you are exagerating a bit. I've read that it's between 18 months and 2 years. But here in Spain, you spend the 1st year without seeing any surgery, too. And everywhere they say surgery is about 6 years to specialize.

Anyway I've already helped in some surgeries here, more than most of the residents. What I've seen is that anywhere you go you must be the one who ask for what you want to learn and not only wait the others teach you. Your interest is what counts most.

And if I stay here I can spend all my life trying to get the surgery place and not get it.

 

[f_w]

Believe me, germany is not the place to go for surgical training. It is common for residents not learn how to operate independently, they pick it up during their first couple of years as a junior attending. The lack in skill, they compensate by an exaggerated sense of self esteem. Don't waste years of your life trying to get surgical training there, the situation is even worse than in spain.

If you want to get surgical training, come to the US. The UK used to be open for docs from abroad, but they have closed the door recently.

 

[prisy64]

Your English sounds very good Im sure you could pass the USMLEs and do your residency in the U.S. I know there's always a need for Spanish-speaking physicians here as well! 🙂

 

[Yolms]

Well I won't decide anything until I'd have finished my degree. Things can change a lot in 2 years, and more now with de Bolonia process.

 

[rubayee]

hi
i am doctor from pakistan and qualified from a W.H.O recognised medical school in pakistan.and looking for interventional cardiology sepcialiastion from europe
i was accepted for tomsk research cardiology institute but i dont know wether they are really taeching or giving skills to foreign doctors ?
can u guide me where to go for interventional cardiology(angiography and angioplstyPCI.

thanks alot.

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[Gambo254]

hi, am syrian graduating year student in syria .....
i think about specializing in germany from 2 years and am learning the language and i will apply for ZD next year ...i read and asked alot about redidency in germany ...i don`t know if it is different for doctors from outside eu ............ i think it is not very difficult 2 get an acception but the problem is the salary ...mostly they don`t give salary from the biggening ...plz who is from deutschland and know more about this and about the difficulty of finding an acception with salary from the beggining and what does it need !!