St Louis vs NYMC

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I need some feedback comparing St. Louis to NYMC. I did a regional for St Louis so I don't know what it's like. From what I hear, it's a busy place.

 

[nmnrraven]

I need some feedback comparing St. Louis to NYMC. I did a regional for St Louis so I don't know what it's like. From what I hear, it's a busy place.

St. Louis is better.

 

[ti89]

St. Louis is better.

Don't try and give too many details.

 

[Pewl]

Don't try and give too many details.

St. Louis is much, MUCH better. =D

 

[ms1finally]

MS1 at NYMC. I know NOTHING about SLU, so I can't compare the two. Love it and can give lots of reasons why, but we have exams next week so time is limited (there are a few regular posters from our class, so if you bump this thread after March 17th you should get a bunch of responses).

My thoughts:
1) Scribe service - yes, you have to buy in, but it's worth EVERY PENNY (and you can make it back by scribing a few times)
2) NYC - if not for the culture, then for the amazing teaching opportunities
3) Match list is pretty darn good
4) Step I scores 🙂
5) On-campus housing - not much more expensive than you would pay in other parts of the country for the first two years (obviously NYC is more if you choose to spend your clinical years there)
6) Relationship with a preceptor throughout first year, rather than being grouped with other med students and sent off to the hospital and assigned to whatever overworked resident happens to be around at the wrong time (like my friends tell me they do at other schools)
7) I REALLY REALLY REALLY like the way we have blocks - and we don't have 3-4 classes at a time. 2 major classes is perfect.
8) The modules
9) Being close enough to the city for fun, but far enough that it's not really a distraction during important study times
10) Summer research program between first and second year - pays enough to live for the summer and gives you something to do for the short summer if that's what you want


In the interest of balance:
1) Short summer between first and second year
2) Tests. They should make those optional!!
3) At times it feels small - I miss being associated with a big university and having a basketball team to get behind

PS - I would take what Pewl says with a grain of salt - he's waitlisted and I think he's a bit bitter 'bout it!

 

[ms1finally]

Oh, and CONGRATS 🙂.

 

[DrHuang]

PS - I would take what Pewl says with a grain of salt - he's waitlisted and I think he's a bit bitter 'bout it!

QFT

Anyways, my roommmate got into both SLU and NYMC last year and he picked NYMC over SLU so I really think its all personal preference...both schools offer a great education...its up to you to decide whether the curriculum style, location, etc fits you.

 

[Pewl]

PS - I would take what Pewl says with a grain of salt - he's waitlisted and I think he's a bit bitter 'bout it!

Hey! I was kidding about St. Louis being better... kinda.

Firstly, NY in general sucks. It's the armpit of America. I'd prefer to avoid that hellhole if a better opportunity presented itself. SLU is also on blocks and has summer research programs.

Secondly, NYMC's radiation oncology residency just lost its accreditation. This is very important to me because I'm distinctly interested in radiation oncology.
Go to the ACGME website:
http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/default.asp
- click on "List of withdrawn programs"
- select "Radiation Oncology" and "2005-2006"
You'll see that NYMC's accreditation was withdrawn, albeit voluntarily, but withdrawn nonetheless.

Thirdly, St. Louis is home to the Mallinckrodt Institute near Barnes-Jewish Hospital, which is home to one of the top cancer institutions in the US. It also has a bomb@$$ radiation oncology department. My graduate professor/advisor who is the director of UCLA's rad onc recommended that I do some rotations through there.

Lastly, the St. Louis University Billikens are a far cry from UCLA Bruin Football/Basketball, but I really enjoy a full university setting. It makes me feel like I'm still in school. =P

 

[popbirch]

I am accepted to both schools, and I am pretty sure I will go to NYMC if one of my other schools doesn't pan out. I like the location better than SLU and I like that the match list includes lots of different places of high caliber. It would be nice to go to a place that has its students all over. I think it is a little cheaper as well. I like the oncampus housing, SLU didn't have that. There is a ski club, too. For me thats a big plus. The MS1 I stayed with seemed excited about his experience there, and was glad he went. He had a lot of good things to say about the life style and how the school treats you, and he seemed genuine. Thats a big deal for me.

 

[RayhanS1282]

Firstly, NY in general sucks. It's the armpit of America. I'd prefer to avoid that hellhole if a better opportunity presented itself.

Hey, we might be the armpit of America but it's a um...nice smelling armpit....meh I got nothing.

 

[nmnrraven]

I need some feedback comparing St. Louis to NYMC. I did a regional for St Louis so I don't know what it's like. From what I hear, it's a busy place.

To elaborate, if you're going for academics, go to St. Louis. That is, if you want a better education go there. If you like big cities, shiny things and armpit smells, go to NYMC.

 

[NehsNairb]

Thirdly, St. Louis is home to the Mallinckrodt Institute near Barnes-Jewish Hospital, which is home to one of the top cancer institutions in the US. It also has a bomb@$$ radiation oncology department. My graduate professor/advisor who is the director of UCLA's rad onc recommended that I do some rotations through there.

That's a fairly weak argument. MSKCC, which is the top cancer institute in the country, is located in NYC. Although, i think it's affiliated with Columbia and Cornell, I'm sure you can do an away rotation there if you go to NYMC. Besides if you search on FREIDA, there are many more rad onc residencies in NYC area than St. Louis area; not that it makes a huge difference during match but just something to point out.

To the OP, you should really visit St. Louis on your own before deciding. In terms of academics, I think it's a tossup between the two. You'll probably might save a few K a year if you to SLU. But if it were my decision, it'll boil down to location. I've lived in NYC area most of my life, so I'd want to experience a new place and choose SLU.

 

[DrPain]

That's a fairly weak argument. MSKCC, which is the top cancer institute in the country, is located in NYC. Although, i think it's affiliated with Columbia and Cornell, I'm sure you can do an away rotation there if you go to NYMC. Besides if you search on FREIDA, there are many more rad onc residencies in NYC area than St. Louis area; not that it makes a huge difference during match but just something to point out.

To the OP, you should really visit St. Louis on your own before deciding. In terms of academics, I think it's a tossup between the two. You'll probably might save a few K a year if you to SLU. But if it were my decision, it'll boil down to location. I've lived in NYC area most of my life, so I'd want to experience a new place and choose SLU.

SLU over NYMC any day of the week

 

[Wolfgang12345]

I wouldn't overlook the fact that SLU is urban and NYMC is suburban. If you like cities, NYMC might not be for you. It is close the NYC, but not that close.. you still have to drive or take Metronorth into the city (which I think has a pretty empty schedule late at night). SLU is directly in the heart of Saint Louis city, in an area which has a lot to do, but also a decent amount of crime.

My $0.02.

 

[Pewl]

That's a fairly weak argument. MSKCC, which is the top cancer institute in the country, is located in NYC. Although, i think it's affiliated with Columbia and Cornell, I'm sure you can do an away rotation there if you go to NYMC. Besides if you search on FREIDA, there are many more rad onc residencies in NYC area than St. Louis area; not that it makes a huge difference during match but just something to point out.

I'm aware that MSKCC is the top cancer institute in the nation, but I am looking at these institutions in terms of the strength of their biomedical physics program as well. I'm specifically interested in Radiation Oncology and am affiliated with the medical physics community. MD Anderson and Mallinckrodt have a stronger medical physics program that MSKCC.

 

[ms1finally]

This thread is degenerating rather quickly. As I've said before, I have very few complaints about NYMC. I think I mostly detailed them above 🙂. If anyone who is considering NYMC would like further information, please feel free to PM me, but don't expect a response back until March 18th.