step 2 CS physical exam

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Having done different standardized patient tests at school
-For the CV exam auscultation- lying down or sitting up?
-JVD - do we need to attempt to measure height?
-Pin prick- how many points?
 
Having done different standardized patient tests at school
-For the CV exam auscultation- lying down or sitting up?
-JVD - do we need to attempt to measure height?
-Pin prick- how many points?

For CV auscultation, most patients will be sitting on the exam table, which is fine for auscultation. If it's your experience to have them lie down, then that's fine I suppose, but having them sitting will make it easy to auscultate their back for the pulmonary exam. Just make sure to auscultate in all 4 areas for the CV exam (and 6 areas for the pulm exam). For JVD, I didn't check it routinely for the CS unless the pt was a cardiopulmonary case and warranted a in depth cardiac and pulmonary exam. I didn't do a pin prick exam on any of my patients, but if you feel it's necessary, you should do enough points in order to suitably map the area of paresthesia, and the standardized patients will give you very obvious findings, they won't be subtle about whether you have a finding or not.
 
The exam is pretty general. You should just do whatever comes to mind for that particular case. I don't think they truly scrutinize whether or not you performed the exam perfectly, just whether or not you did most of the reasonable tests. In general, whatever you do, just be polite and speak clearly... i think thats like 95% of the test... seriously.
 
taking step2 cs tomorrow and started freakin' after reading this post on SDN about this group of people who failed in Atlanta.
been reading first aid for past few days, and hope that will be sufficient.
just wondering if any last minute tips.
in particular, for differential and tests, did you fill out all 5 for both?
also, for dizziness, how in world is there time for orthostatics?

any last minute tips?

dude.
 
taking step2 cs tomorrow and started freakin' after reading this post on SDN about this group of people who failed in Atlanta.
been reading first aid for past few days, and hope that will be sufficient.
just wondering if any last minute tips.
in particular, for differential and tests, did you fill out all 5 for both?
also, for dizziness, how in world is there time for orthostatics?

any last minute tips?

dude.

I agree with you about the time factor for doing certain maneuvers. What I suggest is that you put things like orthostatics in the w/u area to indicate that you understood the need for it, but there just wasn't enough time to perform it. I think that would satisfy the examiners.
 
taking step2 cs tomorrow and started freakin' after reading this post on SDN about this group of people who failed in Atlanta.
been reading first aid for past few days, and hope that will be sufficient.
just wondering if any last minute tips.
in particular, for differential and tests, did you fill out all 5 for both?
also, for dizziness, how in world is there time for orthostatics?

any last minute tips?

dude.


I think for something like dizziness, you would do cardio exam, pulm exam, listen to carotids, etc. If you get to orthostatic then do it.. if not, do like suggested above. I personally filled out 5 differentials and 5 tests for every patient. Keep in mind, CBC, EKG, etc are all good "filler" tests that you can write for many patients. The cases are very obvious and FA was perfectly adequate. Dont panic! The test is more boring than it is hard. 🙂
 
just wanted to say thanks to the people who provided me with tips. I think mnemonics are key. also, knowing a good differential is also important. took it in houston. we had clocks in the room. would suggest that you summarize and do a quick summary before doing the physical exam. this way, if you run out of time, at least you've done the final portion. good luck to all. Thank God I passed.
 
Just got my score 3-4 days ago and glad to have passed it also. One thing I highly recommend before seeing every pt is based on the given info outside the door and the chief complaint generate a rough differential and outline on the h&p sheet cc, hpi, etc. this way one won't forget to get obgyn history on a woman, development hx on a child, etc. that are not necessarily general for every pt. Also, having a quick differential in mind will guide you through your history taking in terms of asking the right questions to narrow the differential. This may take 40-50 sec of your time but I found it incredibly helpful. Plus, when you get to note taking you've already generated a good differential and narrowed it down so no time wasting thinking about it, just think of the right tests to be ordered. Also, no need to perform a perfect physical exam maneuvers; just go through motions and do as much as possible to cover, e.g. just place stet on heart quickly in the 4 areas, no need to wait and listen to heart sounds, murmurs, etc. same thing with lung exam and stuff. Do take the last minute or so to tell the pt what your thoughts are, a preliminary differential perhaps and a counseling tip. This is important for Interpersonal skills portion of the exam. otherwise just do what you normally do, the key is being very efficient through this whole thing as time is limited. Good luck.
 
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