Stereotyped by interviewer

that was just a bad interviewer.

I am an engineer and people are very interested about that during the interviews. However, after i start to see them get a little lost after i start talking about my research, I talk about my involvement in debate, interest in history and the Daily Show....

in your particular situation, I don't think you could have done anything. just plain bad luck!

 

Hi there,
There is always some truth to a stereotype so examine how you come across. You cannot change anyone"s opinion of you except your own and unless you have superhuman powers, you cannot KNOW for sure, what another person actually believes. People lie all of the time amd it is a favorite interview tactic to say something controversal to see how the interviewee will handle the situation. If you make your points rationally and clearly, the rest will fall in. The only limits you have are the ones that are self-imposed. If I believed in stereotypes, I would be doing laundry or selling cocaine for a living. Instead, I am a surgeon.

njbmd

 

I know in our interviews, we had a 'good cop', a 'bad cop' and a 'neutral cop'. One person is really nice, another is ambivalent, and the third guy just acts as if he doesn't believe a word you're saying and practically asks why you bothered turning up.

It's all part of the interview process to see how you handle yourself.

BTW: Research is the backbone of evidence based medicine. Being an engineer, show how you understand why research underpins modern medicine and why it is so important.

The most cliche'd and overused euphamism is "im doing medicine to help people". I hope you didn't use that as your reason for being there, because there are plenty of occupations (volunteers, social workers, nurses), where you can help people, so you've got to convey your sense of vocation, why you want to be a doctor and not the aforementioned.

 

For me, I can see how engineering is very similar to "art" in the traditional sense of the word. I am sorry you had that experience. Sounds like you were in the presence of of ignorance.

 

In a way that's not a bad interview, because it definitely gives you an opening to talk about how your prior studies relate to medicine, or piqued your interest, etc. Sounds like an interview where you needed to be less passive and be more of an proponent of engineers in medicine. Perhaps you needed to take control of this misconception and spin it to your advantage, focus on your science and research skills and bring up other points that would make you a good physician (i.e. make lemons into lemonade). Bear in mind that not every interviewer is readable, and they may have just been playing devil's advocate to see how you would defend yourself (a time honored interviewing technique in the business world, but less frequently used in academic interviews).

 

luckily in my experience as an engineer, people tend to assume that i'm smarter than the average applicant and have a much more solid science/math background. works for me. and i did BME so no one thinks it's a stretch for me to want to be a doctor.

 

Same, although I've had the opposite experience. I've had 2 of my interviewers straight up at the beginning tell me "I think BME is a great way to prepare for medical school." Go figure. Although in one of those interviews we spent a good deal of time discussing hip-hop and who our favorite rappers were. Usually I find if you palm them a ben franklin at the beginning of the interview, things go pretty smoothly. That, or bring a 6-pack.

 

That sucks. I'm sorry you had a bad interview - I'd be pretty frustrated too. The upshot is that you really don't know what she was thinking. It's possible that this was just an act to see how you would react. If you're really interested in medicine, then that hopefully was able to shine through.

 

Can't you request another interview in extreme circumstances? I had a similar interview last year -- got stereotyped for my SoCal origins -- and in retrospect I should have spoken up about it. I wish I could remember where I read about "re-do" interviews ...

 

Wow, that is really strange. That seems way too complicated to organize, but that is EXACTLY how my interviews were, even in that order. Weird.

 

Maybe she had a BF who was EE and he constantly bashed pre-med being so easy. She was just probably taking her anger out on you~ j/k

 

you'd think that med students of all people would be sensitive to the ills of stereotyping... you should have responded by calling the interviewer a booksmart cut-throat cadaver-kisser. seriously, i think that's probably a rare experience... as i recall engineers have one of the highest acceptance rates for med school. good luck in becoming a cadaver kisser yourself

 

after one of my interviews, i had to fill out a "how do you think WE did" questionnaire asking whether i felt the interviewers were biased and if so how... sounds like this might be called for in more schools.

then again, that might be weird with stress interviews. hmm.

 

Wow, I'm sorry. I hope you have called the admissions office and told them your situation? They might be able to tell you whether it's worth redoing your interview...I guess what's done is done though. We all have the occasional interview that doesn't go as planned. I don't think it's your fault at all. Student interviewers can often be more judgmental than older interviewers simply because they're young, they lack experience, and they often have preconceived notions of how the ideal premed should be. On the other hand, some student interviewers are wonderful. It sucks that you had to meet a bad one. If you're stereotyped in the future, I would keep my calm and actually tell them (gently) to their faces, that 1.) they're stereotyping and 2.) it doesn't fit you. If your interview goes badly after that, I'd go straight to the admissions office, explain what happened, and get a new interviewer.

PS: When interviews go badly b/c your interviewer was hostile/stupid/whatever, don't you wish you could just redo the whole interview with them and this time, instead of being all deferential and polite, just say EXACTLY what was on your mind?

 

Personally, I would have punched her in the nose. I hate close minded people. I would have said something like, "Well, you're wearing black, that must mean you are a depressed person." (Obviously applies if she was wearing something black, duh.) I would have flipped it on her. If and IF, she were smart she would pick up on it.

 

one of my interviewers at USUHS was perplexed at why I would apply there because he saw I went to Berkeley. He assumed that just because I went to one of the most liberal universities in the US, I don't support the government. he maintained that the two schools are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum.

 

[sorry double post - I can't seem to delete it!]

 

I had an interview where I felt like the person was drilling me to find out where the bodies where of the people I had probably killed, or looking for the time I spent in jail or in a mental house. I know that sounds weird, but this guy kept asking me things about tiny gaps in time on my application. He kept saying what did you do, where and why. He never was friendly, never asked me personal or friendly questions (or even any medical questions!) and made it clear that he was not impressed by me or what I was saying. This was at Albany, that's right: ALBANY. I don't mind saying it.

I had had stress interviews at other schools and felt they were on my side but also wanted to see how I would respond, etc. Those were decent, but tough interviewers - and one school accepted me within a week of my interview! So, I guess I can handle a good stress interview ok.

But the interviewers in general at Albany were really sloppy and terrible. The first guy was awful - and seemed disappointed that I had no weird baggage to reveal - but the second guy was some old geezer who kept rambling and muttering about his past glories and whatever. He asked me where I came from and then went on for about 20 minutes about how he had driven thru there once, blah blah blah.

I did not get accepted but I have often wondered why they bothered to even interview me? Why waste my $$$? Sterotyped, yes, I felt I was and no matter what I said the first guy just seemed to dislike me even more. Awful.

 

*Clown in Avatar* "Uhhh...Gotta go!"

 

A lot of people find math, essentially what keeps ppl away from engineering, intimidating. I bet your interviewer was one of them. Its a walk in the park to go through undergrad memorizing some isolated facts, and then assume ppl who took the time to figure out the math are sterile super-nerds. Bio is so different from the physical sciences, if you try to compare the two, its like OMFG!

 

People from technical backgrounds tend to lack social skills (general rule). And so, during your interview, if your social skills are lacking, you're done. Be sure to be enthusiastic, socially appropriate, and explain several experiences where you enjoyed helping patients and why. Whatever you do, don't give short answers. Maybe request to do a mock interview with your premed advisor. Med schools pay special attention to how techies behave. If you're friendly, likable, and authentic, you'll be fine.

 

I am a computer science major and i feel your pain. On my last interview i was explaining to my bioinformatics publication to my interviewer only to see a blank face staring back at me the whole time.

Towards the end of the interview though, he explained to me that engineers usually have the stereotype of being smart but lacking social skills. So he advised me to focus on emphasising my social skills during interviews (Don't worry he said my social skills are just fine =]) So maybe you could try that next time?

-Peter
P.S. If anyone out there is also CS, please PM me and give me advice on how to explain programming principles to a med student! =]

 

I have not met with this in an interview. However, I have met with this from the biology department at my school they really are like "you like novels get out of here". Isn't the study of language really the study of communication and therefore one of the greatest assests of helping people? I guess the best you can do with that is minimize the speaking of intricate details of why you love engineering and focus all your attention on why you want to be a doctor and how engineering helped you with your core classes, etc. This has worked to some extent for me. Apparently no one wants to hear my battle for the evolution of the english language!

-Irish

 

Heh... I can see that. But that's interesting... does that mean that there's a bottleneck/switch at some point in the pathway between the eyes and the brain? And a switch with REALLY slow switch times (from a biological perspective)...

Congrats on the acceptance! Does sound like it was a deliberate stress-type interview. Or else your interviewer got overruled.

a_t