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My school is making me pick between the Littman Cardiology 3 at $150 or the "economy" choice of the Littman Classic 2 SE at $65. I'm just wondering if there's a major difference in the quality of each stethoscope, or should I shell out the extra $$ to get the better one?
 
You should be able to tell the difference between the 2. It's not going to matter for BP and other basic functions but I'd get the Cardio 3, I'd want the better acoustics for murmurs etc.
 
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My school is making me pick between the Littman Cardiology 3 at $150 or the "economy" choice of the Littman Classic 2 SE at $65. I'm just wondering if there's a major difference in the quality of each stethoscope, or should I shell out the extra $$ to get the better one?

Your school is asking you to pick a car to drive across a parking lot. What is it going to be, a Ford Focus or a Toyota Camry? Early on, you will do nothing where you need to take advantage of one versus the other. Both will get you across the parking lot without any difficulty.

However, in the future, your preference might change, but that's hard to predict. I personally would go with the Cardiology 3 because it's a better steth. With the large number of morbidly obese patients and my hearing not being the best, I need every bit of amplification I can get. I also have an electronic one, which I mainly use now because I find that even the Caridio 3 runs into limits on very obese patients. However, you could go with the cheaper one and still honor every course you take (assuming you have the smarts to do it).
 
Your school is asking you to pick a car to drive across a parking lot. What is it going to be, a Ford Focus or a Toyota Camry? Early on, you will do nothing where you need to take advantage of one versus the other. Both will get you across the parking lot without any difficulty.

However, in the future, your preference might change, but that's hard to predict. I personally would go with the Cardiology 3 because it's a better steth. With the large number of morbidly obese patients and my hearing not being the best, I need every bit of amplification I can get. I also have an electronic one, which I mainly use now because I find that even the Caridio 3 runs into limits on very obese patients. However, you could go with the cheaper one and still honor every course you take (assuming you have the smarts to do it).


How do you like your electronic steth? I have a Master Cardiology and I'm considering getting rid of it and upgrading to a Littmann 3000.
 
My school is making me pick between the Littman Cardiology 3 at $150 or the "economy" choice of the Littman Classic 2 SE at $65. I'm just wondering if there's a major difference in the quality of each stethoscope, or should I shell out the extra $$ to get the better one?

Honestly, you're going to be a doctor for 30+ years, why wouldn't you just get the good one? I never understood peoples' hesitancy to invest a little more for a better quality stethoscope when it'll probably be the diagnostic instrument they use the most, and they'll probably only have to spend it once.

Get a good one that you like, can use, and have peace of mind that you're not missing out on quality and hang on to it.
 
A pediatrician in my lab has the Cardiology 3 that he got in medical school. I think that's probably what I'm getting too It seems pretty decent and isn't incredibly expensive.
 
I've been told that starting out with a really nice steth is a mistake and that I should first master using a crappy/inexpensive one to ensure that I am able to do so if the time calls for it (i.e. it is the only one available at the moment). I'd hate to be dependent on the higher quality steths and be unable to use anything else.
 
I've been told that starting out with a really nice steth is a mistake and that I should first master using a crappy/inexpensive one to ensure that I am able to do so if the time calls for it (i.e. it is the only one available at the moment). I'd hate to be dependent on the higher quality steths and be unable to use anything else.

Again, I'm not an expert, but I think it's better to learn on something that you can hear sounds well with (more loudly, clearly, less muffled, less background noise) because pathological heart, lung, bowel, & vascular sounds are often pretty subtle. Once you know what crackles, bruits, ejection murmurs, etc. sound like, then you can probably hear them better with any cheap-o one you happen to steal off a med student as a resident. I find it hard to believe that you'd spend years with the benefit of clear auscultation and then pick up a crappier steth and are suddenly crippled in physical diagnosis. That said, I guess I wouldn't go for a stethoscope that has more vast technological/structural deviations from everyone else's stethoscope (i.e. the electronic ones, though some may disagree).

We can get into an amateur discussion about whether a medical student really needs to be able to appreciate those subtleties & the diagnostic value, but I'll just say I can hear much more clearly with my nicer scope (Cardio III) than with a few of the cheap-o ones I've tried, and I'm not alone.

Does it matter that much? No, stethoscope quality & function is a spectrum like most things, so if you get a "decent" one I'm sure that's good enough. But I'm glad I have a "good" one without a doubt.

Also - if anyone says the "the most important part of a stethoscope is between your ears" line I'm going to throw myself off a building in exasperation.
 
90% of my classmates, the doctors/residents I met in the hospital use Littman Cardiology III.

It's worth the investment. The difference isn't huge but it is there. The only "contraindication" to buying a good stethoscope is that you tend to always lose your stuffs.
 
I've been told that starting out with a really nice steth is a mistake and that I should first master using a crappy/inexpensive one to ensure that I am able to do so if the time calls for it (i.e. it is the only one available at the moment). I'd hate to be dependent on the higher quality steths and be unable to use anything else.

I guess I'd have to disagree with this one as a newbie-- I think that it's wiser to go the other way-- start off with a good scope that you can hear sounds out of and then learn how to hear sounds out of cheapos.

I know that even with a good scope, sometimes I can't hear all the sounds that I'm supposed to; I really have to shut my eyes and just listen for a little while. I can't imagine trying to learn on a $10 stethescope where you can't hear anything.

From personal experience, I think that when you're starting out, you need all the advantages you can get-- pick a good scope that fits your ears well, that fits you comfortably, and that you can hear heart and lung sounds well.

If your school has an equipment fair, you may want to hold off buying until then-- our school had a group discount. However, definitely try before you buy. Cost doesn't always matter in that more expensive isn't always better. You definitely want a scope that has a bell and a diaphragm or tunable diaphragm. Which one you want is a matter of preference. One of the advantages to the Cardiology III is that you can convert the pediatric side to a traditional bell.
 
Honestly, you're going to be a doctor for 30+ years, why wouldn't you just get the good one? I never understood peoples' hesitancy to invest a little more for a better quality stethoscope when it'll probably be the diagnostic instrument they use the most, and they'll probably only have to spend it once.

Get a good one that you like, can use, and have peace of mind that you're not missing out on quality and hang on to it.
It's not gonna last you 30 years.
 
They can last 30 years if you get the tubing and ear tips replaced.

Go for a high quality stethoscope if you have any interest in seeing patients and examining their heart. If you're headed for derm, radiology, pathology, optho, etc. then it's really up to you.
 
I'd get the Cardio 3, I'd want the better acoustics for murmurs, thrill, etc.

Yeah - uhm, careful taking advice from people trying to hear a thrill. Try them both, I find that even with the $12 "crappy" stethoscope I can hear all the clinically relevent things that I need to hear. Although my cheap stethoscope works fine, I carry a Littman II around instead more for social pressures than for actual functionality, and I certainly would not spend the money for something like the III.
 
Yeah - uhm, careful taking advice from people trying to hear a thrill. Try them both, I find that even with the $12 "crappy" stethoscope I can hear all the clinically relevent things that I need to hear. Although my cheap stethoscope works fine, I carry a Littman II around instead more for social pressures than for actual functionality, and I certainly would not spend the money for something like the III.

Yeah, thrill is palpated I know. I meant murmurs associated with a palpable thrill.
 
It's not gonna last you 30 years.

Dude, there are lots of old school docs out there still using their now-antique stethoscope. I'm not saying the best strategy is to hang on to it at all costs, I'm just saying this isn't a PDR or a computer that you need to replace every year or so. A good stethoscope should last and serve you well.
 
You're doing something very wrong or very high tech if you replace your computer anywhere near that often....
 
You're doing something very wrong or very high tech if you replace your computer anywhere near that often....

Whatever, every few years. We're splitting hairs here. The point is that this isn't a piece of equipment you'll need to replace very often if ever, it's not that much more to get a good one, and the quality difference is worth the investment.
 
How do you like your electronic steth? I have a Master Cardiology and I'm considering getting rid of it and upgrading to a Littmann 3000.

They are very nice and worth it just because they can listen through thick chest fat or breast tissue, which I can't accomplish with the accoustic ones. It does take getting used to. However, it's probably too expensive for most students and totally unnecessary to go to that extreme.
 
cardiology 3 comes in a nice box with foam cushioning.
 
Again, I'm not an expert, but I think it's better to learn on something that you can hear sounds well with (more loudly, clearly, less muffled, less background noise) because pathological heart, lung, bowel, & vascular sounds are often pretty subtle. Once you know what crackles, bruits, ejection murmurs, etc. sound like, then you can probably hear them better with any cheap-o one you happen to steal off a med student as a resident. I find it hard to believe that you'd spend years with the benefit of clear auscultation and then pick up a crappier steth and are suddenly crippled in physical diagnosis. That said, I guess I wouldn't go for a stethoscope that has more vast technological/structural deviations from everyone else's stethoscope (i.e. the electronic ones, though some may disagree).

We can get into an amateur discussion about whether a medical student really needs to be able to appreciate those subtleties & the diagnostic value, but I'll just say I can hear much more clearly with my nicer scope (Cardio III) than with a few of the cheap-o ones I've tried, and I'm not alone.

Does it matter that much? No, stethoscope quality & function is a spectrum like most things, so if you get a "decent" one I'm sure that's good enough. But I'm glad I have a "good" one without a doubt.

Also - if anyone says the "the most important part of a stethoscope is between your ears" line I'm going to throw myself off a building in exasperation.

Agree. Once you have a better handle on what you are listening for, you will learn how to listen with any stethoscope in the room. I have a hard enough time discerning the diastolic murmur from the rumbling of construction 2 floors down (true story!!) that I don't need to compound that with a crappy stethoscope. When I use one of those disposable ones in patient rooms for patients on contact precautions I usually come out saying, "Well, she's breathing and her heart's beating and she has bowel sounds, but that's about all I could tell you!" A $10 scope may be just fine. I can't say I've ever used one - just alternated between my own Littmann and the ones provided (that probably retail for less than $1) and I definitely notice a difference there. That being said, I've come close to losing my Littmann countless times and will be very sad (and poorer) when I finally do manage to lose it.
 
The real question is why are they choosing your stethoscope for you?

It is all based on personal preference. Personally, I got a welch allyn harvey DLX for like $120. It was a comfortable fit, highly recommended, and it was different than everyone elses and had a good place to have it engraved, so I have less chance of having it stolen or lost since i can spot it from a mile away.
 
The real question is why are they choosing your stethoscope for you?

It is all based on personal preference. Personally, I got a welch allyn harvey DLX for like $120. It was a comfortable fit, highly recommended, and it was different than everyone elses and had a good place to have it engraved, so I have less chance of having it stolen or lost since i can spot it from a mile away.

I hear really good things about the Welch Allyn Harvey scopes.
 
I hear really good things about the Welch Allyn Harvey scopes.
I like it. It works well and switching out diaphrams or fittings is much easier than on littman.
 
My Grandma went and got me a Master cardiology for christmas and I'm wondering if its too much. It doesnt had a traditional bell, instead it has a "tunable diaphragm". Should I be fine using this?
 
My Grandma went and got me a Master cardiology for christmas and I'm wondering if its too much. It doesnt had a traditional bell, instead it has a "tunable diaphragm". Should I be fine using this?
littman likes their tuneable diaphragms. Some people like them, I personally like to have a regular diaphragm and a bell.
 
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