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the 20K bonus is a new thing they have been working on because the Navy has only been signing around 50% of their scholarships. They are hoping that it will help increase that %. I heard about it at a Navy HPSP meeting while I was at OIS and then I contacted the commander a couple weeks later and he told me that it was sitting on Sec Def desk. I am pretty sure that the bonus is just for the Navy. But the stipend increase is for all HPSP students.
 
cyclegirl said:
the 20K bonus is a new thing they have been working on because the Navy has only been signing around 50% of their scholarships. They are hoping that it will help increase that %. I heard about it at a Navy HPSP meeting while I was at OIS and then I contacted the commander a couple weeks later and he told me that it was sitting on Sec Def desk. I am pretty sure that the bonus is just for the Navy. But the stipend increase is for all HPSP students.
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Cool deal. I was seriously torn between Army and Navy, eventually choosing Army. Honestly, $20,000 would have been nice but I do not think it would have made a difference.

Anyone happen to know the recruitment rate for the Army HPSP?
 
cyclegirl said:
I was told by the commanding officer at NMETC that HPSP students that signed their contract after Oct 1, 2005 are will receive the 20K bonus (not 30K) once it is approved. I was told that it has been signed off by everyone and that it is just sitting on Sec of Def desk for the final stamp of approval. He told me that it was a sure of a thing as something could be with out the final stamp being on it. I was also told that the stipend amount will atleast double when this new bill passes.
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Did you mean October 1, 2006 or October 1, 2005??? It wouldn't make sense to be for fiscal year 2006 because it is almost over... perhaps he meant FY2007 beginning on Oct. 1, 2006?
 
No I am 100% sure he said Oct 1, 2005. There were more than 100 HPSP students at that meeting and we all ask a lot of questions about it. Some of the students signed in August of 2005 and he said they would not get the bonus. But that those of us that have already signed and we signed after Oct 1, 2005 would receive the bonus once it is approved.
 
cyclegirl said:
No I am 100% sure he said Oct 1, 2005. There were more than 100 HPSP students at that meeting and we all ask a lot of questions about it. Some of the students signed in August of 2005 and he said they would not get the bonus. But that those of us that have already signed and we signed after Oct 1, 2005 would receive the bonus once it is approved.
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Alright, just making sure that we're not going to get jipped. thanks cyclegirl 🙂
 
Army is definitely hurting too but not quite as badly as the Navy...found this in an article that I posted on the first page of this thread...

"All the services had been meeting HPSP goals until fiscal 2005. The Navy had expected to sign 291 medical school students but could attract only 162, a 44 percent shortfall. Numbers for fiscal 2006 look about the same or a little worse, said Vice Adm. Donald C. Arthur, the Navy surgeon general.

The Army in ‘05 expected to award 307 scholarships. It fell 70 short, missing its goal by 24 percent. Through nine months of fiscal 2006, the Army has awarded 179 scholarships, 61 percent of goal.

“I am concern we’re going to be short” again, said Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, Army surgeon general. The impact will be felt “down stream,” Kiley explained, creating future shortages but not affecting the current number of doctors available for war or patient stateside care. The training pipeline that turns a new medical student into a doctor is four to nine years long, he said.

The Air Force is exceeding its HPSP goals. An official credited the Air Expeditionary Force concept which limits combat assignments for medical and dental officers to predictable four-month tours, and several years in between. Applicants also are told the Air Force offers a higher quality of life.
 
Are you talking about the base entry date? If so, that could be good, as my original base entry date was August 2005, but when setting up my AKO account, my recruiter told me that my base entry date was actually October 2005. Hopefully, it's the latter, and hopefully the Army will give some bonus. I need money.
 
psychbender said:
Are you talking about the base entry date? If so, that could be good, as my original base entry date was August 2005, but when setting up my AKO account, my recruiter told me that my base entry date was actually October 2005. Hopefully, it's the latter, and hopefully the Army will give some bonus. I need money.
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How long did it take to setup your AKO? It still cannot find my SSN
 
Hooah,

I was commissioned june 23 and was able to establish an AKO account the next week though I think it is still email only right now.
 
aau22 said:
Hooah,

I was commissioned june 23 and was able to establish an AKO account the next week though I think it is still email only right now.
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Email only? I have been trying to do the automatic sign-up thing. I do not see any email addresses to send account creation info to.
 
I went for several months after commissioning without knowing about AKO, then a month (and one email) before it recognized my SSN. Then, it took another month, and a few more emails and phone calls to sort out that my base entry date was, apparently, different than the base entry date shown on mods.
 
The date they use for the bonus is the date you actually signed your commissioning and HPSP contract papers.
 
Just wanted to clarify a few things that were discuseed thus far...Please correct me if I am misinterpreting.

1. The monthly stipend will hopefully double for current and future HPSPers for ALL branches.

2. The NAVY also is including a 20K sign-on bonus for HPSPers that signs after 0ct. 2005

3. The bill stating the two provisions above is on the Pres. desk ready to be signed, but none of us know when we will actually see the bonus or the increase in the stipend.

There was no discussion of this whatsoever at COT this past month, so I am really surprised to hear about all this now. Also, my recruiter(like always) did not know anything about these new proposals. :meanie:
Maybe I'll contact my POC at AFIT about this and see if he has any info. I really hope it not just a Navy thing.
 
The bonus for FY06 (1Oct05-30Sep06) is dead. No $20K this year.
 
How do you know that it is dead?
 
HumptyDumptyMil said:
2. The NAVY also is including a 20K sign-on bonus for HPSPers that signs after 0ct. 2005
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I doubt it. Each branch of service has to operate by the same rules. Think of Baptist churches: they claim to be different, but they're all really the same. Now apply that analogy to HPSP. Each branch offers the same commission, the same reimbursements, and the same stipend.
 
curlycorday said:
Hi all,

This is a link to the actual bill status, summary, etc.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5122


I'm not spamming-- this came up in multiple threads!!!
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First, thanks for the link!

Okay, as I read Subtitle D, Section 564 of the bill, Section 2121(d) of Title 10 is amended as of 1 Oct 2007 to ALLOW for increased stipend up to $30K/yr and section 2127(e) is ammended to allow for grants up to $45k. HOWEVER...any changes in the ammount of the HPSP stipend are prohibited in FY 07 pending the study of how badly each of the services has met their HPSP recruiting goals. So oo, it looks to me like NO INCREASE in stipend until 1 Oct 2007 (i.e., FY 08) AT THE EARLIEST! Is that how the rest of you read it?
 
BOHICA-FIGMO said:
First, thanks for the link!

Okay, as I read Subtitle D, Section 564 of the bill, Section 2121(d) of Title 10 is amended as of 1 Oct 2007 to ALLOW for increased stipend up to $30K/yr and section 2127(e) is ammended to allow for grants up to $45k. HOWEVER...any changes in the ammount of the HPSP stipend are prohibited in FY 07 pending the study of how badly each of the services has met their HPSP recruiting goals. So oo, it looks to me like NO INCREASE in stipend until 1 Oct 2007 (i.e., FY 08) AT THE EARLIEST! Is that how the rest of you read it?
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No, my interpretation was that the prohibition was meant for the typical increase each fiscal year. Subsection (d) explicity states that the changes take effect on Oct 1, 2006, which is the beginning of FY 2007 -- the fiscal year the bill was meant for anyway. If the idea was to not allow any changes to occur in FY07, they would have indicated that no changes will take effect until 10/01/07.

But, your intepretation is definitely supported by what is stated in the bill. It's a bit ambiguous. Hopefully we will find out soon.
 
HooahDOc said:
No, my interpretation was that the prohibition was meant for the typical increase each fiscal year. Subsection (d) explicity states that the changes take effect on Oct 1, 2006, which is the beginning of FY 2007 -- the fiscal year the bill was meant for anyway. If the idea was to not allow any changes to occur in FY07, they would have indicated that no changes will take effect until 10/01/07.
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Yeah, seems that there is confusing/contradictory/conflicting guidance in section 564. I guess that is why I'm in medical school instead of law school 😀
 
cyclegirl said:
How do you know that it is dead?
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cuz the guys at BUMED who make those decisions told me so.
 
BOHICA-FIGMO said:
First, thanks for the link!

Okay, as I read Subtitle D, Section 564 of the bill, Section 2121(d) of Title 10 is amended as of 1 Oct 2007 to ALLOW for increased stipend up to $30K/yr and section 2127(e) is ammended to allow for grants up to $45k. HOWEVER...any changes in the ammount of the HPSP stipend are prohibited in FY 07 pending the study of how badly each of the services has met their HPSP recruiting goals. So oo, it looks to me like NO INCREASE in stipend until 1 Oct 2007 (i.e., FY 08) AT THE EARLIEST! Is that how the rest of you read it?
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your interpretation sounds like the AF will not have any increases since they have met there quota...
 
HumptyDumptyMil said:
your interpretation sounds like the AF will not have any increases since they have met there quota...
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If the stipend is bumped, it will be bumped across the board.
 
I too have confirmed with NMETC that the 20K Navy bonus is now dead 🙁
 
I emailed the author wrote the article about the new bill on militaryupdate.com, Tom Philpott, and he replied back to me stating that there

"should be some movement by Congress in September"

We shall wait and see... :scared:
 
If this stipend comes through...is it going to be for all branches?
 
Update from Tom Philpott:

"We will learn by late September if the full Congress has approved the Senate
scholarship initiatives. Then it will be up to the services, and their
available budgets, what they do with them."
 
This guy is great, he emailed me back within two minutes with more info:

"In this case it goes more like this: Congress is providing the services with new authorities to raise their stipends and scholarship dollars. They are leaving it to the services, for the most part, to find the money which usually means by trimming other spending plans."

So...it seems the possibility of the AF raising the stipend will be slim, since they have exceeded their quota for HPSP applicants. 🙁
 
Hi all,

Today I exchanged emails with RADM Turner, who is the director of NMETC about the stipend increase, and this is what she told me:

Should this bill be signed by the president all HPSP students enrolled in the program at the time of its induction into law will receive the stipend increase, which comes to be roughly 2,500 dollars a month.
 
Did that mean we would receive it immediately or not until the following academic year??
 
aau22 said:
Did that mean we would receive it immediately or not until the following academic year??
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As soon as it is passed/signed/appropriated.
 
curlycorday said:
As soon as it is passed/signed/appropriated.
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Did the Admiral give any indication when formal notification/announcement of the stipend increase will occur? Or will they just pleasantly suprise a whole lot of folks on 15 Oct?
 
Why October 15? I am really hopeful about the stipend increase and would love to see it happen that quickly but doesn't the money need to come from somewhere? I know the bill authorizes a cap at 30 but if each branch has to come up witht he money won't it take a while?
 
HooahDOc said:
If it has to be appropriated I doubt we will see an increase until next fiscal year, when the new budgets are created.
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Appropriated is the opperative term. This year they did not pass the defense budget until January. They usually do not make them retroactive. If it is passed and funded, it will likely start in Jan/Feb 07 although there is language in prior law that gives the cost of living raise 1 Jul (hence your most recent increase and will probably be 2.2% next year) which may also be a possiblity.

Bottom line, don't spend the money yet.
 
Anyone heard anything new from a trustworthy source on the stipend increase??
 
I emailed my conact at AFIT, who handles all the money, and he responded back with:
"Unfortunately, what you read is ridiculous propaganda! The stipend
usually increases correspondently with the military pay raise (if
authorized by congress) each year."

This was just today that I received the email. I just read the article about the increase yesterday, so I was curious. It seems like the information out there is widely varied. Anybody have contacts in congress?

Ryan
 
UFGrayMatter said:
I emailed my conact at AFIT, who handles all the money, and he responded back with:
"Unfortunately, what you read is ridiculous propaganda! The stipend
usually increases correspondently with the military pay raise (if
authorized by congress) each year."

This was just today that I received the email. I just read the article about the increase yesterday, so I was curious. It seems like the information out there is widely varied. Anybody have contacts in congress?

Ryan
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You can read the bill for yourself. It states that ceiling for HPSP stipends will be raised to $30,000. I don't know if our stipends will be taken to the maximum or will slowly increase at a rate of 2% per year as they have been.
 
deuist said:
You can read the bill for yourself. It states that ceiling for HPSP stipends will be raised to $30,000. I don't know if our stipends will be taken to the maximum or will slowly increase at a rate of 2% per year as they have been.
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Yeah, i went through it all and read all the posts, looks good. Looks like I'll have to send the links to him 🙂
 
The stpiend does not go up with military pay in January, it goes up every July and it is now 1319.
 
UFGrayMatter said:
I emailed my conact at AFIT, who handles all the money, and he responded back with:
"Unfortunately, what you read is ridiculous propaganda! The stipend
usually increases correspondently with the military pay raise (if
authorized by congress) each year."

This was just today that I received the email. I just read the article about the increase yesterday, so I was curious. It seems like the information out there is widely varied. Anybody have contacts in congress?

Ryan
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Well, I would say your contact in AFIT is a little low on the totem pole, not completely candid, or an idiot. Or possibly a combination of the 3. There is indeed significant work being done to raise the stipend. As I posted before it comes down to funding. The military has only so much money and budget decisions are made from there. If Congress approves additional funding specifically earmarked for a stipend increase in the apprpriations bill, the likely increase will be 1 Jan or as soon as Congress passes the bill. Last year Congress did not pass a spending bill until the second week of January.

Will there be an increase? I don't know, but it is not rumor or propoganda from which this information is coming. As noted in the Authorization Act there is a provision to raise the amount, the question comes down to will the money be given to make it happen.
 
bliss72 said:
The stpiend does not go up with military pay in January, it goes up every July and it is now 1319.
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Interesting, the stipend for AF is $1279 according to their website. It seems as though that there maybe minor diffrences between the branches.

FYI, Another thing that is different, at least between AF and Army, is the cap on how much you can get reimbursed for books and supplies. My classmate and I just discussed this issue.
 
HumptyDumptyMil said:
Interesting, the stipend for AF is $1279 according to their website. It seems as though that there maybe minor diffrences between the branches.

FYI, Another thing that is different, at least between AF and Army, is the cap on how much you can get reimbursed for books and supplies. My classmate and I just discussed this issue.
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The stipend should be the same for all services. That was the old stipend. I imagine that the website has just not been updated.
 
HumptyDumptyMil said:
Interesting, the stipend for AF is $1279 according to their website. It seems as though that there maybe minor diffrences between the branches.

FYI, Another thing that is different, at least between AF and Army, is the cap on how much you can get reimbursed for books and supplies. My classmate and I just discussed this issue.
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I am not completely positive that the documents were the most recent available. Sometimes recruiters still distribute dated information. I assumed that the reimbursement amounts would have been the same since everything is underneath the same organization (DoD) but who knows.
 
i'm just going by what was on the AFIT website, which is supposed to be updated monthly. I guess we'll find out what it's going to be on Sept. 1.
 
So... has anyone heard about the effective date of this stipend increase yet? I did some digging on my own and found that there was an estimated cost of 80+ million for the 2007 fiscal year. To me, it seems that would mean that they will be paying somebody something. On a side note, I emailed my recruiter and advisor. Suprise, suprise, neither one of them has heard of anything... why is life so hard? You would think that since it is their job to deal specifically with the HPSP scholarship, they would know something about it...
 
Your recruiters are just not doing their job, the stipend increase has been all over the news and even published in the Navy Times. However it is not official yet! It has been passed by the house and the senate but it is now in the committees for final approval. We just have to wait and see.
 
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