Stony Brook vs. NYU

[Kfire326]

Stony Brook vs. NYU for a NY resident. Just trying to get peoples opinions on this one...

For reference, match lists are below:

NYU: http://www.med.nyu.edu/registrar/clinical/matchlist2007.html

Stony Brook (from another thread):
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL Anesthesiology
Einstein/Jacobi Medical Center-NY Pediatrics
University of Virginia Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY General Surgery
NYU School of Medicine Emergency Medicine
St Vincent's Hospital-NY Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Emergency Medicine
Albany Medical Center Hospital-NY Emergency Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Dermatology
St Louis Children's Hospital-MO Pediatrics
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Neurology
Northwestern McGaw/CMH-IL Pediatrics
SVCMC St Vincent's-Manhattan Combined Med/Peds
Boston University Medical Center-MA Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Emergency Medicine
Children's National Medical Center-DC Pediatrics
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State-PA Internal Medicine
Barnes-Jewish Hospital-MO Internal Medicine
U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY Psychiatry
Beth Israel Medical Center-NY Emergency Medicine
Long Island Jewish Medical Center-NY Psychiatry
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine
Barnes-Jewish Hospital-MO Clinical Pathology
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Medicine-Primary
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Obstetrics-Gynecology
Maimonides Medical Center-NY Pediatrics-Primary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Obstetrics-Gynecology
Long Island Jewish Medical Center-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Anesthesiology
U Southern California General Surgery
NYU School of Medicine Internal Medicine
NY Hosp/Medical Center-Queens Medicine-Preliminary
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY Anesthesiology
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY Anesthesiology
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY Radiology-Diagnostic
B I Deaconess Medical Center-MA General Surgery
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Orthopaedic Surgery
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY General Surgery
Hospitals of the University of PA Obstetrics-Gynecology
St Joseph Hospital-IL Transitional
St. Luke's/Roosevelt-NY Ophthalmology
NY Medical College-Brklyn/Queens SVCMC Orthopaedic Surgery
Hospital of St Raphael-CT Transitional
Hartford Hospital-CT Radiology-Diagnostic
NYU School of Medicine Pediatrics
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY Internal Medicine
North Shore-LIJ Health System-NY Pediatrics
Boston Univ Medical Center-MA Family Medicine
Children's Hospital-Philadelphia-PA Pediatrics
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Primary
Yale-New Haven Hospital-CT Pediatrics
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine
NYU School of Medicine Internal Medicine
SUNY Upstate Med University Otolaryngology
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
St Luke's-Roosevelt-NY Radiology-Diagnostic
U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY Anesthesiology
Grtr Lawrence Family Health Center-MA Family Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Radiology-Diagnostic
Barnes-Jewish Hospital-MO Internal Medicine
UPMC Medical Education Program-PA Pediatrics
New York University Child Neurology
Boston Univ Medical Center-MA Internal Medicine
NYU School of Medicine Pathology-Clinical
B I Deaconess Medical Center-MA Internal Medicine
Atlantic Health System-NJ Transitional
Beth Israel Medical Center-NY Radiology-Diagnostic
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
NYU School of Medicine Anesthesiology
N Shore U-Manhasset-NY Emergency Medicine
U Michigan Hospitals-Ann Arbor Internal Medicine
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Internal Medicine
Long Island Jewish Medical Center-NY Psychiatry
Duke Univ Medical Center-NC Internal Medicine
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY General Surgery
Barnes-Jewish Hospital-MO Neurology
U Colorado SOM-Denver Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY General Surgery
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Family Practice
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Hospitals of the University of PA Anesthesiology
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine
Univ of Chicago Medical Center-IL Int Med/MD Scientist
Mary Imogene Bassett-NY Transitional
Yale-New Haven Hospital-CT Anesthesiology
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Family Practice
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Emergency Medicine
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY Emergency Medicine
Long Island Jewish Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine
Beth Israel Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine
Scott Medical Center/Scott AFB-IL Family Medicine
SAUSHEC-Brooke Army Medical Center / Ft. Sam, Houston-TX Transitional
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Mt Sinai Hospital-NY Neurology
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Dermatology
NYU School of Medicine Internal Medicine
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Dermatology
Albany Medical Center Hospital-NY Emergency Medicine
Mary Imogene Bassett-NY Transitional
U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY Radiology-Diagnostic
Hospitals of the University of PA Medicine-Pediatrics
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA Internal Medicine
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Preliminary
B I Deaconess Medical Center-MA Anesthesiology
North Shore-LIJ Health System-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Emory Univ SOM-GA Anesthesiology
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Medicine-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Medicine-Primary
Mt Auburn Hospital-MA Medicine-Preliminary
Lahey Clinic-MA Radiology-Diagnostic
NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Medical Center-NY Pediatrics

Graduate Matches:
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Medicine-Preliminary
NYU School of Medicine Anesthesiology
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Medical Center (Payne Whitney)-NY Psychiatry
Vanderbilt Univ Medical Center-TN Psychiatry
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Surgery-Preliminary
Stony Brook Teaching Hospitals-NY Anesthesiology
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY Medicine-Emergency Med
Winthrop-University Hospital-NY Pathology
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Medical Center-NY Emergency Medicine
Yale-New Haven Hospital-CT Internal Medicine
Jamaica Hospital Medical Center-NY Family Medicine
Overlook Hospital (AHS) - Summit, NJ Family Medicine
UC San Francisco-CA Dermatology
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY Internal Medicine

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[Doctor~Detroit]

ny resident?

 

[Kfire326]

Oh, yea. A NY resident. That's kind of impt... i'll add that to the original post.

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

then it looks like stony brook would save you over 60k. and the housing would probably be better, since it doesn't get worse than nyu. so unless you love nyc and hate stony brook, i'd be tempted by the latter.

 

[Kfire326]

then it looks like stony brook would save you over 60k. and the housing would probably be better, since it doesn't get worse than nyu. so unless you love nyc and hate stony brook, i'd be tempted by the latter.

True, but living in manhattan for four years is tempting (but so is keeping 60k in my pocket during residency, when those loans are gonna be paid off )

 

[Kfire326]

So far NYU is beating out Stony Brook 16-9, but can anyone please share reasons why they chose the school they voted for?

 

[DrCurious]

Its actually a tough choice. But although I love Stony, I would be way to tempted to live in the city. If I had the choice the only reason I choose NYU would be based on location, I figure 60K is worth being in a prime location.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Go to Stony.

 

[Rubles]

NYU really rubbed me the wrong way when I was there. It's true NYU has Bellevue but I think you could get good comparable away rotations in your 4th year if you wanted to. Plus, you'll get to save $60k.

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

Its actually a tough choice. But although I love Stony, I would be way to tempted to live in the city. If I had the choice the only reason I choose NYU would be based on location, I figure 60K is worth being in a prime location.

yeah. i think the big "reason" most people would give for paying extra and having worse housing to be at nyu over any other school is simply the location. but everyone's different and plenty of people outright hate nyc. you seem to like manhattan, so the question i see is: how much extra are you willing to pay to be in nyc for four years, and will it be worth living in an undergrad-style dorm rather than an apartment?

 

[kochkine]

stony brook.

save your money and read some more posts in the financial forums about debt to really understand what it really means. pre-meds and med. students have a hard time understanding it - living in fantasies that doctors start making hundreds of thousands and can pay it off quick...

stony brook will give you the same education at half the cost.

 

[st0w]

Stony Brook. The educations are comparable, but Stony saves you a ton of money. Plus don't forget, the cost of living is going to be higher in NYC.

There's an affliction brought on by NYC -- every time you walk outside, you're $20 poorer. So don't forget to include that in the $60k tuition difference someone else mentioned (does that include housing and everything too, or only tuition?)

 

[BlackSails]

NYC is nice (Im at NYU for undergrad right now), but yeah, it is expensive.

On the other hand, you dont need a car, or car insurance, and all that.

 

[abeytt03]

NYU. NYU has the prestige factor. Its part of a very respected university and located in the heart of the city. It may be more expensive, but if it were not for that factor it wouldnt even be a question. The 60k you will save is peanuts when considering the extra prestige you will have hanging on your wall.

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

my numbers were a little off. if you go by their budgets (which you may want to think about, since they estimate about the same room + board costs for each school), i think the difference is closer 18k per year, or 72k total. compare for yourself:

http://www.stonybrookmedicalcenter.org/education/som_admissions.cfm#financial_info

http://www.med.nyu.edu/medicaldegree/fees/

it's not the easiest decision, but i'd say what you value and how much you value it will tell you what to do.

edit: and i don't think there's a substantial prestige difference between the schools. i think they'll both open the same doors.

 

[MeCord3]

Interesting to find this thread, I was making the same decision only a few days ago. I was accepted to both and decided on Stony. While NYU is a very prestigious research university, I wasn't able to find much beyond that to enamor me with it over Stony. SB has plenty of opportunities for research and is very facilitating to med students in that respect, offers a significant savings both on tuition and cost of living, and has a very respectable match history. And frankly I wasn't too thrilled with the attitudes of the people I came across during my interview day, but that may have just been the luck of the draw that day.

 

[vixnetny]

Interesting to find this thread, I was making the same decision only a few days ago. I was accepted to both and decided on Stony.

Also interesting to note how many people are making the decision of another good medical school (top 50) VS Stony Brook. I was surprised to see how low SB sunk in the US News rankings, and am unsure why, but I have a feeling that SB will climb into Tier 1 again within the next 4 years. Also don't see why alabama is ranked over SB, but goes to show again that ranking means less. I would take NYU over SB because of location, not "ranking"

 

[MeCord3]

I would take NYU over SB because of location, not "ranking"

Vix makes a good point, being in Manhattan NYU allows much easier access to many world renowned hospitals. Something to consider if you're interested in rotations/research at any of these hospitals.

 

[Jejton]

I just officially chose SB over my first choice - AECOM. I went to SB for a weekend with my wife and baby and we just fell in love with the community. That and the 50% difference in tuition. Granted my situation is probably different than yours - I am more interested in a safe, clean, quiet environment to raise a family then living the party life in the Village these days but its not totally dead in the 'burbs and if you really want to go the city every weekend and not take the LIRR you can take the money you saved on tuition and take a limo into the city just about every weekend without matching NYU's tuition

 

[Jejton]

NYU. NYU has the prestige factor. Its part of a very respected university and located in the heart of the city. It may be more expensive, but if it were not for that factor it wouldnt even be a question. The 60k you will save is peanuts when considering the extra prestige you will have hanging on your wall.

If you are interested in research, besides the many opportunities at SB itself ( that I wasnt aware of ) you also have Brookhaven and Cold Spring Harbor national labs right there and they are very prestigious.

 

[Purplerainangel]

So hmm.... I'm making this decision right now (just got off the waitlist at NYU), but I am a stony undergrad and I don't know how happy I am about staying for 4 more years... I'm wondering if the money is worth the change of scenery and whether the education is comparable...

 

[dmg18]

I hated the interview day at SB. I didn't like the area. There was a snow storm and I had to drive out from manhattan because all the trains were late. It was such a pain.

I don't know of anyone who has actually liked being there for many years, or hasn't wished to be in Manhattan so much more.

Still, you're going to be in med school, and there's only so much you will be able to enjoy from Manhattan as a poor, full-time student.

Therefore, if you liked SB and you are saving $72K, I would DEFINITELY go to SB. You will be able to take the train out to Manhattan every weekend.

Just based on my own personal experience there, I hated it, so I voted for NYU: the students love it, they are personable and so are the professors I met (not at ALL like the ones I met at SB), and they have a true P/F system.

 

[muncher]

Break it down:

1) Residency matches

Upon superficial examination, the match list seems to slightly favor NYU. However, this probably isn't as much due to the teaching quality and reputation of the school as it is due to the better gunning ability of its students, which is evidenced by NYU's higher average GPA and MCAT.

2) Environment

This should be your opinion. What other people say should matter as much as the writing section on the MCAT.

3) Cost

Ughhhh, I think some people really overestimated this one. Sure tuition will add up to close to $80k, but they also seem to think Long Island is a 3rd world country where you can live on water and bananas. No. You'll actually be shelling out more money to live out there cause you'll need to buy a car, which, assuming you're buying a new car and are under 25, will cost you close to 10 grand a year. So final verdict on cost? Substantial but not 80k... probably closer to 40k.

4) Grading System

Stony's Honors, High Pass, Pass, Low Pass, Fail grading system should be called a Pass/Fail system as much as Spider Man 4 needs to be made. I do not know if NYU's Pass Fail is ranked or unranked, but I'm pretty sure it's more legit than SB's.

5) I'm going to SB! Awesome intramural sports and access to great golf courses! Holllaaa. Seriously, I just need to get away from all the distractions of the city. Gunnin' Ain't Eazy!

Anyway, hope that helps!

 

[toxicgate]

Hey Kfire, don't i see you on the UB thread too?

anways, I would pick NYU. With everyone talking about cost, let it be known that you dont need to live in the city. You could get a reasonable apt or house in queens (thats where I live) and i am 15 min away from NYU by subway. You could also find something in brooklyn that would be significantly cheaper than living in the city. As with the cost associated with food, dont go out as much. Buy stuff at the supermarket and make stuff. Also you wont have much time go to go out, so you wont be blowing that much money on booze and clubs.

 

[the nade]

My dad always says you can always go down!!!

 

[MSTPbound]

OK... so suppose money is not a factor... you get a full ride to both... or like some of us, you plan on going the MSTP route and spending 300 zillion years in school, but come out debt free. Would that affect anyone's opinion about which school they'd choose?