#stopscopecreep

[Bobcat18]

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Can’t believe this video hasn’t made it over to this forum yet from Reddit residency. Finally a news outlet that can stand up to the AANP. Please share.

Families sound alarm on medical transparency after deaths of their children

Families sound alarm on medical transparency after deaths of their children | Read more at https://www.newsnationnow.com/investigation/families-sound-alarm-on-medical-transparency-after-deaths-of-their-children/

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[slowthai]

Someone posted it in the PA/NP cancel culture thread on Thursday

 

[FrkyBgStok]

That was so uncomfortable to watch. The NP introducing themself as an attending physician is so terrible. And any medical resident could look at that picture and immediately say, “that girl is sick, go to the ED.”

My favorite line in that was that there is 150 medical schools, none of them online.

 

[FutureInternist]

Saw the news report.

I have yet to meet a pharmacist or really any other team member who has introduced themselves as Doctor Smith..... except DNPs.

While technically correct, in that it is a terminal degree, in a clinical setting, specially in the high stress situation of an ER visit, a doctor should mean physician, and physician only.

Also reviewed the Johns Hopkins DNP curriculum, and she wasn’t kidding... I think I saw 2 course names that I recognised from medical school, while the rest were healthcare jargon.

Someone should ask these DNPs if they would be OK with me delivering their baby, given my 3 months of OB rotation, before I did IM... and I guarantee they will not.

 

[Lawpy]

I refuse to call NPs and PAs as doctors for this exact reason. Also this link should be sent directly to Utah med admissions to force them to realize their mistake of putting a midlevel in the admissions committee and dinging interviewees for using the term "midlevel".

Kick the corporate capitalists (e.g. private equity) out of healthcare and fight back against the AANP

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

That was so uncomfortable to watch. The NP introducing themself as an attending physician is so terrible. And any medical resident could look at that picture and immediately say, “that girl is sick, go to the ED.”

My favorite line in that was that there is 150 medical schools, none of them online.

You don’t have to be a medical resident. I’m literally just starting clerkship and I know can tell she’s sick and needs to go to the ED.

 

[Lawpy]

You don’t have to be a medical resident. I’m literally just starting clerkship and I know can tell she’s sick and needs to go to the ED.

I mean even the parents suspected she wasn't feeling well but got misled by disinformation spreading NP. And that's really the tragedy and why the NP should be sued severely with no doctor license to fall back

 

[Medmortise]

Really tragic cases. I know there can be a lot of disagreement when this topic gets brought up but can we please all agree that patients should know who is providing their care. Using doctor in a clinical setting without clarifying that you are not a medical doctor should be outright criminal.

 

[Osteosaur]

Before I watched I thought it would be a video about NPs shaming doctors for having stethoscopes with bacteria and transmitting infections to patients.

The NP at the end is ridiculous. She is so upset she can't call herself a doctor and trying to hide it.

Really interesting points on the number of clinical hours you get before you can practice unsupervised. Like are they twisting the info or are attendings really getting 10x more "training hours" in the field than NPs? I assume this is assuming the "nursing hours" NPs have are not counted as they are hours being trained to do what a "provider" would do in those previous hours?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Before I watched I thought it would be a video about NPs shaming doctors for having stethoscopes with bacteria and transmitting infections to patients.

The NP at the end is ridiculous. She is so upset she can't call herself a doctor and trying to hide it.

Really interesting points on the number of clinical hours you get before you can practice unsupervised. Like are they twisting the info or are attendings really getting 10x more "training hours" in the field than NPs? I assume this is assuming the "nursing hours" NPs have are not counted as they are hours being trained to do what a "provider" would do in those previous hours?

It doesn’t include hours spent working as an RN because that’s incredibly variable, and many NPs are going straight through without any experience now. Also, being a nurse doesn’t prepare you to be a physician. I was an OR tech and a certified first assistant for over 10,000 hours before medical school. Those hours don’t count because I wasn’t practicing or learning to practice medicine.

 

[Osteosaur]

It doesn’t include hours spent working as an RN because that’s incredibly variable, and many NPs are going straight through without any experience now. Also, being a nurse doesn’t prepare you to be a physician. I was an OR tech and a certified first assistant for over 10,000 hours before medical school. Those hours don’t count because I wasn’t practicing or learning to practice medicine.

That's what I figured. Its a nice argument/fact to have in your back pocket on this issue for sure.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

That's what I figured. Its a nice argument/fact to have in your back pocket on this issue for sure.

Yeah. When you say it just straight up without any emotion or anything it can be really effective. Especially since everyone seems to know a doctor who made a mistake. “Doctors sometimes make mistakes. Even with 15,000 hours of clinical training and 4 years of medical school, mistakes can happen. How much easier then would it be to make a mistake with only 2 years of classes that mostly are lobbying classes and only 500 hours of shadowing in any random field that may be completely unrelated to the field being practiced?”

 

[arjusmc]

You don’t have to be a medical resident. I’m literally just starting clerkship and I know can tell she’s sick and needs to go to the ED.

I spent 5 years in EMS, first as an EMTB for a year and then as a paramedic for the remainder. I taught EMTBs and paramedics as a preceptor. An EMTB(1 semester of training) with about 3 months of full time work experience would be able to determine that kid is sick in a sick/not sick evaluation. This is inexcusable.

I understand that people say "well they have experience as a nurse" and that should count. Well it would help them along the way but doesn't replace experience or training as a physician. I have 10000 hours of work experience as a paramedic, and it has helped me significantly even as a first year medical student, but I wasn't working as a physician. I don't get to skip large chunks of training because of it, nor should I be allowed to.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I spent 5 years in EMS, first as an EMTB for a year and then as a paramedic for the remainder. I taught EMTBs and paramedics as a preceptor. An EMTB(1 semester of training) with about 3 months of full time work experience would be able to determine that kid is sick in a sick/not sick evaluation. This is inexcusable.

I understand that people say "well they have experience as a nurse" and that should count. Well it would help them along the way but doesn't replace experience or training as a physician. I have 10000 hours of work experience as a paramedic, and it has helped me significantly even as a first year medical student, but I wasn't working as a physician. I don't get to skip large chunks of training because of it, nor should I be allowed to.

Yep. I have 10,000 hours as an OR tech, first assist, and a corpsman. Helped a little in preclinical and will help on surgery and FM because I’m familiar with the OR and the flow of seeing patients. But other than that, it doesn’t super count and in zero way prepared me to be a physician or made it so I could skip chunks of training.

 

[readmypostsMD]

The solution to this is really simple.

1) Get a panel of MDs and a panel of NPs

2) have a moderator ask clinical questions about cases

3) point a camera at them and upload to YouTube

... the NPs will pathetically fumble

 

[underthesun]

The solution to this is really simple.

1) Get a panel of MDs and a panel of NPs

2) have a moderator ask clinical questions about cases

3) point a camera at them and upload to YouTube

... the NPs will pathetically fumble

Haha this would actually be very telling.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Haha this would actually be very telling.

Yeah except the public wouldn’t be able to tell when the NPs get it laughably wrong unless they just said they didn’t know.