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[Spector1]

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when I was applying for undergrad, college confidential had a similar type reputation for neuroticism and gunnerism

sdn is probably regarded the same by outsiders.

 

[pageantry]

There's a difference between trolling and being an a**hole.

Satire is great. And sometimes people need to be called out. But, having been on the Internet a time or two, my experience is that where this double standard exists, people will abuse the crap out of it/other people... And create a culture of elitism that prevents it from being called out.

Also ref: that Oscar Wilde fable about the cold wind and the warm sun and who got the guy to remove his jacket. Thank god, my humanities degree came in handy at last.

We're all pretty much a-holes, is my feeling. Life is hard enuff, isn't it?

 

[Mad Jack]

Satire is great. And sometimes people need to be called out. But, having been on the Internet a time or two, my experience is that where this double standard exists, people will abuse the crap out of it/other people... And create a culture of elitism that prevents it from being called out.

Also ref: that Oscar Wilde fable about the cold wind and the warm sun and who got the guy to remove his jacket. Thank god, my humanities degree came in handy at last.

We're all pretty much a-holes, is my feeling. Life is hard enuff, isn't it?

Ah, but see, this is where trolls troll trolls. Counter-trolling can make a troll look like a fool for trying to make a person look foolish. Counter-trolling, when done effectively, can do much to enlighten a troll as to their own shortcomings. Trolling is, therefore, a potential two way exchange of enlightenment. It's a dialogue, really.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Ah, but see, this is where trolls troll trolls. Counter-trolling can make a troll look like a fool for trying to make a person look foolish. Counter-trolling, when done effectively, can do much to enlighten a troll as to their own shortcomings. Trolling is, therefore, a potential two way exchange of enlightenment. It's a dialogue, really.

 

[Mad Jack]

At the end of the day, we're all foolish. The ones that can look at themselves and laugh are the only ones that really win. Hence why I roll my eyes every time I hear about people hating on SDN- they've got no sense of humor about themselves and take life far too seriously most of the time.

 

[Ad2b]

Hence why I roll my eyes every time I hear about people hating on SDN- they've got no sense of humor about themselves and take life far too seriously most of the time.

But I'm really worried about my 4.0 cGPA and sGPA with a 525 MCAT score (131,132,130,132 - will that low BB score hurt me???) and 1000s of hours in the ER scribing for Level 1 Trauma in LA with another poster presentation at NIH on pediatric gliomas in URM transgender neighborhoods, and founded a city-wide school program for cleft palate surgery kids to get their meals for free. Oh, and I was a D1 QB for the national champs in 2010.

Do you think I have a chance?!?!?!?!? I'm so scared and nervous and freaking out!!!!!

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Well Greg McLeroy you don't have a chance. I suggest DO or the Carib. MAYBE your state schools....😀

 

[Gibbward]

Hi,

I was listening to a podcast this morning. It was on the topic of premed resources and when someone mentioned SDN, everyone freaked out and began hating on it. Even saying not to mention "SDN" on his show again.

What makes them hate SDN?

What's the podcast?

 

[Mad Jack]

What's the podcast?

Probably some Reddit nonsense. They hate everything that's good in the world.

 

[Spinach Dip]

But I'm really worried about my 4.0 cGPA and sGPA with a 525 MCAT score (131,132,130,132 - will that low BB score hurt me???) and 1000s of hours in the ER scribing for Level 1 Trauma in LA with another poster presentation at NIH on pediatric gliomas in URM transgender neighborhoods, and founded a city-wide school program for cleft palate surgery kids to get their meals for free. Oh, and I was a D1 QB for the national champs in 2010.

Do you think I have a chance?!?!?!?!? I'm so scared and nervous and freaking out!!!!!

ORM I presume?

You might need a gap year to round out your app.

 

[rilte4]

Ah, but see, this is where trolls troll trolls. Counter-trolling can make a troll look like a fool for trying to make a person look foolish. Counter-trolling, when done effectively, can do much to enlighten a troll as to their own shortcomings. Trolling is, therefore, a potential two way exchange of enlightenment. It's a dialogue, really.

Jesus can walk on water. I can walk on cucumbers. Cucumbers are 96% water. Therefore, I am 96% Jesus.

 

[BluMist]

I'm guessing this? http://medicalschoolhq.net/the-medical-school-hq-podcast/

What's the podcast?

It is that last 4% that makes Jesus Jesus.

Jesus can walk on water. I can walk on cucumbers. Cucumbers are 96% water. Therefore, I am 96% Jesus.

 

[rilte4]

It is that last 4% that makes Jesus Jesus.

Thought the ridiculousness of the quote makes it clear that it's meant in jest. Guess not.

 

[Donald Juan]

As someone finished w an SMP and who's done a ton of reading on SDN about them, I have rarely, rarely seen anyone suggest an SMP to someone who was deficient in an MCAT score. Quite the opposite, majority of advice heeds people to stay away unless they have under a 3.3 GPA, so I'm not quite sure how you've reached this assumption.

It was a bit of hyperbole. SMP was only one of the measures I mentioned. The point is, I have seen people post their scores/ECs that are slightly below average and people tell them to go to drastic measures and act like it will be impossible to get in without doing so.

 

[22031 Alum]

It was a bit of hyperbole. SMP was only one of the measures I mentioned. The point is, I have seen people post their scores/ECs that are slightly below average and people tell them to go to drastic measures and act like it will be impossible to get in without doing so.

As an advice giver, I tend to err on the side of being overcautious. I'd rather tell somebody that they should do more than they actually need, and have it work out, than tell somebody they should do less.

 

[BluMist]

I was going to write an essay about how this exemplifies @Mad Jack's quote, but then I decided to throw a hotdog at him instead.

Ah, but see, this is where trolls troll trolls.

Thought the ridiculousness of the quote makes it clear that it's meant in jest. Guess not.

 

[Ad2b]

ORM I presume? You might need a gap year to round out your app.

No, URM (biracial Nigerian and Antarctican). Do you think I should use the GAP year to retake my MCAT?

 

[Goro]

Hyper-neurotic, to be more accurate.

Actually, yeah. It's totally home of the neurotic. Though that is to their detriment, often lol.

 

[sharkbyte]

I've found SDN to be really helpful for me. From reading the forums, I learned to apply early and broadly and pre-write secondaries. There are very helpful threads on interview tips, what to bring to interviews, etc. that helped me out quite a bit as well. The school-specific threads have provided me with a lot of valuable information about the admissions processes at certain schools, especially when current students or even (from time to time) an adcom member creates an account and answers questions.

I also found the MCAT Discussions forum to be very helpful. I think it's neat that there's a thread for every exam date where people can discuss the materials and strategies they're using. The 30+ tips thread was especially helpful.

 

[purplecricket]

when I was applying for undergrad, college confidential had a similar type reputation for neuroticism and gunnerism

sdn is probably regarded the same by outsiders.

Omg College Confidential, I totally forgot about that site...oh memories.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Where do I begin? I can barely even give you a list of the broad categories:

1) simple incorrect facts/wrong information: I have had arguments even after showing the reports/data/instructions from AMCAS.
2) opinion represented as fact
3) obnoxious, arrogant, negative comments for someone looking for some advice
4) the constant, overriding, pure refrain over simple crude stat, usually cGPA, without any examination for nuance or understanding how to it may get looked at
5) Belief that there is "one" admissions system or that all the schools work in the same way. With 130 schools, hundreds of adcom members, there is no simple, over all answer or generalization. Call this the simplification conundrum.
6) To extend #5, applying one step in one process to one school to all steps at all schools

that's a lot of sht talking by someone whose signature proudly proclaims partnership with SDN.

 

[bravomavo]

SDN makes things fair for everyone though because all the info is here, you have to just go through it

 

[thrudheim]

I avoided SDN throughout undergrad, because I knew that it had a reputation and I didn't feel like it would benefit me in any way except giving me a kick in the ego every once in a while. As soon as applications opened, I started browsing the school specific threads. I found it to be immensely helpful when preparing for secondaries and interviews.

 

[Terrainport]

SDN makes things fair for everyone though because all the info is here, you have to just go through it

ya but you have to not be gullible or else you will get sucked into some lies

 

[Joemoe1]

SDN is awesome - I am super glad I found it

 

[BluMist]

SDN = Super Duper Neurotic, to be more accurate

Hyper-neurotic, to be more accurate.

 

[Silence in ER]

ehh. I don't really like SDN as muc. However, I do agree that SDN has it's uses.

 

[Planes2Doc]

When I started on the pre-med track again (I quit after my first year of college), SDN was a kick in the butt and helped me get things done. I'm grateful for that. At the same time though, in hindsight, my pre-med advisor was a pretty awesome guy and he told me exactly what I needed to do in order to get into medical school. My biggest problem with SDN, at least with the popular pre-allopathic board is where members are placing their priorities. For instance, way too much weight is being put into the pre-med journey, almost to the point where they are making it seem even more important than getting into medical school in the first place! People are being pressured to take on way more ECs, entry-level clinical jobs, and other things they DO NOT NEED in order to get into medical school. If it gets them in, then great! If not, then you'll have people stuck in either entry-level clinical jobs or underemployed in unrelated industries, because they were pushed, often due to advice on this site, to put all of their eggs in one basket.

That's why I like to contribute here, and help people take a step back, and look at the big picture. At the end of the day, once you're sitting in that medical school seat, no one will care about how many hours you volunteered at however many places, or if you were an EMT, scribe, or CNA. And if you follow the advice here and bite off more than you can chew, any decent future employers won't care either about how many hours you volunteered at however many places, or if you were an EMT, scribe, or CNA. And if a pre-med on this site fails the process and decides to call it quits, then you won't hear from them again. How often will someone create a thread about them failing? That's why people on here get a false sense of things that are going on.

As others have said, you need to sift through the junk to find the gems. And listen to your pre-med advisers, a lot of them know what they are talking about. They aren't idiots like people make them out to be. And stop acting like your ECs are some badge of honor, eventually no one will care, and they can bite you in the ass. Here's what sums up my philosophy:

"The SDN Philosophy: The pre-med journey should be a meaningful one, where you do things that you're passionate about. You should grow significantly as a person. You will enjoy it, because if you don't, well then you don't want to know."

"The Planes2Doc Philosophy: The purpose of pre-med is simple. Get a seat in medical school. The journey itself isn't important. Pre-med is potentially a huge sacrifice. Too many applicants put all of their eggs in one basket, and if medical school doesn't work out, then their lives can be ruined."

The advice in allopathic and later threads is more helpful. People are definitely more realistic, and not spewing the idealistic stupid crap you find all over pre-allo, no offense.

 

[golfman7]

I've found much of the information here helpful, from MCAT study tips to school specific threads regarding secondaries and interview invites. But, just like any other Internet forum, there will be bad advice or misinformation given.

 

[deleted407021]

I feel like some of y'all are being a little dramatic with the SDN online reputation/toxicity thing. It's the Internet, after all.

 

[Ad2b]

I feel like some of y'all are being a little dramatic with the SDN online reputation/toxicity thing. It's the Internet, after all.

Seriously. Warcraft has some good trolls, can get all-out wars going between Ally and Horde in the nether regions of the Badlands in the blink of an eye 😉 Not that I play, or anything

 

[Lawpy]

I feel like some of y'all are being a little dramatic with the SDN online reputation/toxicity thing. It's the Internet, after all.

Seriously. Warcraft has some good trolls, can get all-out wars going between Ally and Horde in the nether regions of the Badlands in the blink of an eye 😉 Not that I play, or anything

SDN can just be a very unsettling mix of the Internet, neuroticism, offensiveness and sheltered people. Basically, a college confidential for medicine, which is actually a very bad thing.

Internet forums may have trolls who argue over senseless things and are often have lax moderations, but the overall environment can be still be relaxing compared to the often ultracompetitive and unrealistic environment of SDN.

But still, SDN remains useful in many aspects. Tragically, the most important forums like Physician Scientists, Residency/Specialties, Med Business/Financial Aid/Other Forums are quite deserted. Even in volatile forums, we can readily find useful info.

It's just that the overall toxic environment of few active forums gives a bad rep to SDN, and it's the reason why preallo is heavily moderated compared to its counterpart pre-osteo and nontrad forums

 

[rilte4]

Completely agree, especially with the Internet forum element. On one hand, posters are incredulous when someone hasn't heard of SDN, the go-to resource on all things medicine. Misguided premed advisors should be ignored, and a lost premed student should listen to the folks with a wealth of experience on this site. However, if the same lost premed student expresses frustration over the replies they receive, the script changes. These are nameless, faceless strangers on the Internet, and you expect them to coddle you and know your life? It's understandable that flip-flopping between arguments and using whichever one is convenient in a particular situation wouldn't be perceived favorably by some.

This isn't exclusive to SDN - it's just a symptom of all things Internet. I think part of the external "hate" stems from the fact that we're not discussing small stuff here. SDN carries weight. People change plans and map years of their lives based on the advice of a few posts, Internet forum or not.

 

[235009]

I've been reading/posting on SDN for almost 10 years now....here's my take....

The GOOD:

1. School specific threads (pre-allo) - get started on writing secondaries early, discuss the ins and outs of specific schools you've interviewed at
2. Interview invite threads (pre-allo, specific specialty and sub-specialty forums) - perfect for knowing when you've been passed up for interview invites and giving you a heads up to actually do something about it
3. Interview feedback forum - when I was interviewing for med school this was a godsend allowing you to prep for interview questions beforehand decreases stress and surprises
4. Advice and prep for standardized tests (pre-allo, allo) - didn't use it for MCAT though others seem to swear by it but it was helpful to various degrees for step exams
5. The residents and attendings who contribute - without them this site would be complete garbage

The BAD:

1. WAMC threads - we have access to the same information you do, look at the MSAR, look at your qualifications, talk to people who have applied or are applying at your school and figure it out, keep in mind that some med schools have regional/in-state preferences and each school has a mission statement, no-one has any kind of general inside info that you don't have access to
2. Staunch pro-DO stance that is enforced by moderators - you're basically not allowed to discuss the realities of going to a DO school with regards to poorer match outcomes, as far as SDN is concerned everyone's a winner and can be whatever they want to be elementary school style, ACGME taking over AOA residencies is somehow seen as a "merger"
3. Adcoms with ulterior motives - won't call anyone out by name here but those who have read my posts know who i'm talking about
4. Members not paying it forward - dozens to hundreds of posts in the WAMC and "help me rank" threads in the IM forum and only a handful of people reporting their results, lots of leeches
5. Primary care residency is spoken of as a punishment for those who do poorly in med school, pre-meds and some med students can't fathom that anyone would actually choose to do IM, FM, peds
6. Perpetuation of outdated ideas - anesthesia and radiology are not as competitive as they used to be because of job market concerns, EM is not a "lifestyle specialty"
7. Everyone's "opinion" is presented as equal regardless of experience (though I guess this is a product of the internet and our current culture http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/)

 

[Ismet]

Another thing that applicants need to realize when posting WAMC threads is that even the experienced adcoms giving advice are giving you advice from their scope (worked at 1 med school? multiple med schools? etc) and they do not have your application in front of them. The bits and pieces of an app that people present in a WAMC thread is bare bones compared to what the committee looks at. Not to mention, unless you wrote your own LOR or unless you broke confidentiality and read it, you don't know what's in your LORs. That stuff makes a huge difference, and can even make up for below average stats. How you present yourself in essays is also a factor. If you haven't bothered to proofread your essays and it's so bad that it's hard to read (yes, I've read those), that doesn't look good. The content of what you write is obviously important as well.

Med school admissions is not black and white and it's subjective. That's why there are so many people on the committee.

1. Staunch pro-DO stance that is enforced by moderators - you're basically not allowed to discuss the realities of going to a DO school with regards to poorer match outcomes, as far as SDN is concerned everyone's a winner and can be whatever they want to be elementary school style,

Huh? We do not censor opinions and we moderate in line with TOS - aka if someone is attacking/harassing others, using inappropriate language, etc. MD vs DO and URM debates get pretty heated here for some reason, and they usually need some reigning in, but that's because of how people are interacting and not the content of their opinion.

 

[235009]

Also with regards to WAMC threads....

For med school apps - applications are very expensive once you add in secondaries but you have lots of info available to you in the MSAR that can guide your choices
For residency and fellowship apps - applying is cheap and easy, it's typically going to cost < 100 bucks to overapply if you're not sure whether you'd make the cut at a certain tier

 

[Psai]

I've been reading/posting on SDN for almost 10 years now....here's my take....

The GOOD:

1. School specific threads (pre-allo) - get started on writing secondaries early, discuss the ins and outs of specific schools you've interviewed at
2. Interview invite threads (pre-allo, specific specialty and sub-specialty forums) - perfect for knowing when you've been passed up for interview invites and giving you a heads up to actually do something about it
3. Interview feedback forum - when I was interviewing for med school this was a godsend allowing you to prep for interview questions beforehand decreases stress and surprises
4. Advice and prep for standardized tests (pre-allo, allo) - didn't use it for MCAT though others seem to swear by it but it was helpful to various degrees for step exams
5. The residents and attendings who contribute - without them this site would be complete garbage

The BAD:

1. WAMC threads - we have access to the same information you do, look at the MSAR, look at your qualifications, talk to people who have applied or are applying at your school and figure it out, keep in mind that some med schools have regional/in-state preferences and each school has a mission statement, no-one has any kind of general inside info that you don't have access to
2. Staunch pro-DO stance that is enforced by moderators - you're basically not allowed to discuss the realities of going to a DO school with regards to poorer match outcomes, as far as SDN is concerned everyone's a winner and can be whatever they want to be elementary school style, ACGME taking over AOA residencies is somehow seen as a "merger"
3. Adcoms with ulterior motives - won't call anyone out by name here but those who have read my posts know who i'm talking about
4. Members not paying it forward - dozens to hundreds of posts in the WAMC and "help me rank" threads in the IM forum and only a handful of people reporting their results, lots of leeches
5. Primary care residency is spoken of as a punishment for those who do poorly in med school, pre-meds and some med students can't fathom that anyone would actually choose to do IM, FM, peds
6. Perpetuation of outdated ideas - anesthesia and radiology are not as competitive as they used to be because of job market concerns, EM is not a "lifestyle specialty"
7. Everyone's "opinion" is presented as equal regardless of experience (though I guess this is a product of the internet and our current culture http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/)

Seems like all the smartest kids in my class are going into peds im and fm

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

I've been reading/posting on SDN for almost 10 years now....here's my take....

1. Staunch pro-DO stance that is enforced by moderators - you're basically not allowed to discuss the realities of going to a DO school with regards to poorer match outcomes, as far as SDN is concerned everyone's a winner and can be whatever they want to be elementary school style, ACGME taking over AOA residencies is somehow seen as a "merger"
2. Everyone's "opinion" is presented as equal regardless of experience (though I guess this is a product of the internet and our current culture http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/)

As usual, you're overblowing the pro-DO business. If such a stance were indeed enforced, then posters who discuss the realities of matching as a DO would be banned. And obviously, this is not the case. I mean, even some DO students like @Mad Jack post about the uphill battles that DOs face when it comes to graduate medical education.

And no, everyone's opinion is not presented as equal. People are often called out for posting about stuff that they have no experience with. In fact, you'll see "you have no idea what you're talking about posts" on a daily basis on sdn.

 

[Mad Jack]

I've been reading/posting on SDN for almost 10 years now....here's my take....

The GOOD:

1. School specific threads (pre-allo) - get started on writing secondaries early, discuss the ins and outs of specific schools you've interviewed at
2. Interview invite threads (pre-allo, specific specialty and sub-specialty forums) - perfect for knowing when you've been passed up for interview invites and giving you a heads up to actually do something about it
3. Interview feedback forum - when I was interviewing for med school this was a godsend allowing you to prep for interview questions beforehand decreases stress and surprises
4. Advice and prep for standardized tests (pre-allo, allo) - didn't use it for MCAT though others seem to swear by it but it was helpful to various degrees for step exams
5. The residents and attendings who contribute - without them this site would be complete garbage

The BAD:

1. WAMC threads - we have access to the same information you do, look at the MSAR, look at your qualifications, talk to people who have applied or are applying at your school and figure it out, keep in mind that some med schools have regional/in-state preferences and each school has a mission statement, no-one has any kind of general inside info that you don't have access to
2. Staunch pro-DO stance that is enforced by moderators - you're basically not allowed to discuss the realities of going to a DO school with regards to poorer match outcomes, as far as SDN is concerned everyone's a winner and can be whatever they want to be elementary school style, ACGME taking over AOA residencies is somehow seen as a "merger"
3. Adcoms with ulterior motives - won't call anyone out by name here but those who have read my posts know who i'm talking about
4. Members not paying it forward - dozens to hundreds of posts in the WAMC and "help me rank" threads in the IM forum and only a handful of people reporting their results, lots of leeches
5. Primary care residency is spoken of as a punishment for those who do poorly in med school, pre-meds and some med students can't fathom that anyone would actually choose to do IM, FM, peds
6. Perpetuation of outdated ideas - anesthesia and radiology are not as competitive as they used to be because of job market concerns, EM is not a "lifestyle specialty"
7. Everyone's "opinion" is presented as equal regardless of experience (though I guess this is a product of the internet and our current culture http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/)

i'm pretty sure no DO will tell you that DOs fare equal in the match to MDs, that's just ridiculous 🙄

Generally we'll just state that DO is a fine path for certain people, but that it is not without its downsides.

 

[lcm2020]

i'm pretty sure no DO will tell you that DOs fare equal in the match to MDs, that's just ridiculous 🙄

Generally we'll just state that DO is a fine path for certain people, but that it is not without its downsides.

I think he was referring to the adcoms and kool-aid premeds that enforce that idea

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

i'm pretty sure no DO will tell you that DOs fare equal in the match to MDs, that's just ridiculous 🙄

Generally we'll just state that DO is a fine path for certain people, but that it is not without its downsides.

There's a possibility that he really doesn't believe his own hyperbole and is simply trolling us. He might be laughing at us right now, saying, "haha you *****s fall for this routine every time!!"

 

[235009]

As usual, you're overblowing the pro-DO business. If such a stance were indeed enforced, then posters who discuss the realities of matching as a DO would be banned. And obviously, this is not the case. I mean, even some DO students like @Mad Jack post about the uphill battles that DOs face when it comes to graduate medical education.

And no, everyone's opinion is not presented as equal. People are often called out for posting about stuff that they have no experience with. In fact, you'll see "you have no idea what you're talking about posts" on a daily basis on sdn.

you're basically demonstrating my points right now... you're a premed who hasn't even set foot in med school. you have made the conscious decision not to put up a status so you can seem more knowledgeable than you actually are and despite having absolutely zero real world experience you are claiming that I am "overblowing the pro-DO business" precisely because this site is so pro-DO.

while you're right that the moderators have not banned people for expressing reality yet they do occasionally shut down threads discussing the topic, they discourage any and all MD vs. DO threads, how is pre-osteo not a subforum of pre-med but gets it's own forum, and why is the outdated and derogatory term "allopathic" being used all over the site?!

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

I think he was referring to the adcoms and kool-aid premeds that enforce that idea

He specifically mentioned a pro-DO stance that is enforced by mods.

you're basically demonstrating my points right now... you're a premed who hasn't even set foot in med school. you have made the conscious decision not to put up a status so you can seem more knowledgeable than you actually are and despite having absolutely zero real world experience you are claiming that I am "overblowing the pro-DO business" precisely because this site is so pro-DO.

while you're right that the moderators have not banned people for expressing reality yet they do occasionally shut down threads discussing the topic, they discourage any and all MD vs. DO threads, how is pre-osteo not a subforum of pre-med but gets it's own forum, and why is the outdated and derogatory term "allopathic" being used all over the site?!

Damn, you're really grasping at straws here. Should I also change my avatar pic because I'm actually a dude?

Anyway, I always appreciate the honest advice we get from the more senior members on this site.
Is there really a difference between MD and DO?

 

[Borrella]

SDN is awesome - I am super glad I found it

I like your avatar!

 

[235009]

Damn, you're really grasping at straws here. Should I also change my avatar pic because I'm actually a dude?

Anyway, I always appreciate the honest advice we get from the more senior members on this site.
Is there really a difference between MD and DO?

Whether you're a "dude" or not makes no difference with regard to how your 8+ posts per day are perceived

I see you're not denying that you purposefully left off that you're a pre-med

That thread did turn out to be very productive because the residents and attending finally joined the conversation after a few pages of BS

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

Whether you're a "dude" or not makes no difference with regard to how your 8+ posts per day are perceived

I see you're not denying that you purposefully left off that you're a pre-med

That thread did turn out to be very productive because the residents and attending finally joined the conversation after a few pages of BS

Sorry, I've never given that status thought. Didn't think it would be such a big deal. More importantly, I never claimed to be something I'm not nor do I make unqualified posts.

Again, you're just grasping at straws. You're also pretty damn hostile...

 

[deleted407021]

Sorry, I've never given that status thought. Didn't think it would be such a big deal. More importantly, I never claimed to be something I'm not nor do I make unqualified posts.

Again, you're just grasping at straws. You're also pretty damn hostile...

But, but you don't have his experience!! So, you're arguments are invalid.

Lol at SDN being "pro-DO" because there's a pre-osteo subforum. I guess the facts that 20% of med students are in DO schools and that the DO degree is a valid medical degree at parity with MD aren't enough to warrant a dedicated subforum. Instead, it's a pro-DO, anti-MD conspiracy, pushing the label "Allopath" for the dirty MDs.

🙄

 

[Ismet]

Aaaaaaand this is exactly what I was referring to when I said it's how people interact with each other and not the content of their opinion. Thanks for proving my point. Let's get the thread back on topic, please.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

Aaaaaaand this is exactly what I was referring to when I said it's how people interact with each other and not the content of their opinion. Thanks for proving my point. Let's get the thread back on topic, please.

Kinda was on topic in terms of why people hate sdn, don't you think?

 

[iforget2]

I started using SDN before my sophomore year, and I would attribute it to being the only reason why I started volunteering, went looking for research opportunities, went to office hours to get to know professors, and got my act together for the rest of my college years. I have so many friends who are applying this next cycle who just found out that they needed volunteering hours, or letters of recommendations from at least 2 science professors, etc etc. Honestly, if it wasn't for SDN, I'd be completely lost and unprepared for the application process. Although there are reasons to hate it as listed above, it can definitely turn a clueless pre-med's application around.