Stuff that Sucks...

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Mindful of our "many" epic threads and our goal of SDN post-padding dominance, I present to you:

Stuff that Sucks (TM).

So, there I was, minding my own damn unsuspecting intern bidness when along came Step III registration.

Why, on God's green earth, does this stupid, damn-near-pointless test have to cost so much?

Feel free to padd away. Lord knows, there isn't exactly a shortage of Stuff that Sucks (TM).

Oh yeah...off service rotations in general.

Take care,
Jeff
 
Step 2 CS... clearly sucks.. Rumor is that it will be made "optional" next yr. That thing sucks!
 
EctopicFetus said:
Rumor is that it will be made "optional" next yr. That thing sucks!
Dude - that would ROCK!

onto the stuff that sucks, though.
 
Unless you dropped $1000 this yr for it. I am 100% for dropping it though. What a waste of time and $$!
 
Having no hand surgeon on call sucks

Losing 3 kids in one night on a PICU rotation sucks

Having sore abs from doing compressions on said kids sucks

Being off-service sucks

I'm sure I'll think of more later
 
Desperado said:
Having no hand surgeon on call sucks

especially for the 15 yo boy who comes in with chief complaint of left hand vs. M-80.
 
Is this medical stuff that sucks? If not.... haveing a foot and half of snow with no sleds, skis, snowboards, or even intertubes in sight sucks.
 
Ahh, my username has been changed I see (formerly stw2361)

SDN repeatedly crashing because someone linked another of our epic threads all over the internet sure does suck.....
 
The winter olympics. More importantly the lack of any new scrubs, my name is earl, the office, or er for the rest of the month.
 
Not being able to go to Starbucks for my once a week mocha. Was really looking forward to it.

Oh, and not having crackers or a baguette to go with the really good brie in my fridge!
 
Studying for the boards when you have a fever :-(
 
you're pressured to do well? what is the PD expecting?
 
whasupmd2 said:
you're pressured to do well? what is the PD expecting?


Everyone is expected to do better than the national average. In the past certain privileges were taken away for poor performance. We have a new PD now, so we'll see if he's more reasonable.
 
Shoveling snow. How many MIs do we think there were in the Northeast today as compared to usual?
 
The funeral service boards suck.
 
snow in alabama... people are going nuts!!!!
 
Rounding while on my IM rotation. Pts become very boring after HD #2
Another one is waiting on NH placement. Ugh can't wait till my EM month.
 
taking the inservice when you're a prelim in medicine at your future EM program's hospital (can't exactly say no when the PD asks if you "wanna").

hospital budget cuts that involve limiting food selection in the cafeteria (no tomatoes, WTF!!!)

spraining your SI joint falling off a horse during the first week of your one and only 4 week vacation of the year, while in another country (senor en el aeropuerto, yo no puedo mover mis malletas, yo me cae de un caballo!!!). tx = months of PT, px = lots of pain along the way.
 
GeneralVeers said:
Inservice exam and being pressured to do well on it sucks.

Yep- I agree. If we aren't in the top half of the nation as interns, they take away our senior conference trip and send us to a board review in Wisconsin as a senior. Seriously. As interns. Ridiculous. Oh well. I hate ski trips to Colorado anyway. 😎
 
Holy cow.. This is hard core stuff. I guess I should start studying now?
 
USAF MD '05 said:
Yep- I agree. If we aren't in the top half of the nation as interns, they take away our senior conference trip and send us to a board review in Wisconsin as a senior. Seriously. As interns. Ridiculous. Oh well. I hate ski trips to Colorado anyway. 😎

That alone would be enough motivation for me 🙂.
 
I cant believe the PDs are that insane about it.. Does the inservice give the program anything for your guys results? Whats the reason they care so much?
 
Doesn't it ever get ridiculous that we just have to continue "making the cut." I mean, for goodness sakes. I had to be screened to go to the KINDERGARTEN I went to (private school). Then I had to apply to high school (private school, again). Then I had to apply to COLLEGE, and in order to go to the college I went to I pretty much had to be in the top 20% of my graduating class. Then, to go to medical school I was expected to be near the top of my college class (which consisted of people who were mostly in the top 20% of THEIR high school classes).

Presumably, EM takes "above average" medical students - be it based on test scores, clinical grades, whatever. And then you have to be in the top 1/2 of THAT GROUP???

Grrr...this is getting old, and I'm only a first year!
 
Its fun SoCute.. Real fun.. the rat race continues...👎
 
Vacuum Cleaners.... ok, stupid I know, but noone's done it yet..

Waiting with this completely impotent feeling for match results in about 12 hours (AOA match..)
 
socuteMD said:
Doesn't it ever get ridiculous that we just have to continue "making the cut." I mean, for goodness sakes. I had to be screened to go to the KINDERGARTEN I went to (private school). Then I had to apply to high school (private school, again). Then I had to apply to COLLEGE, and in order to go to the college I went to I pretty much had to be in the top 20% of my graduating class. Then, to go to medical school I was expected to be near the top of my college class (which consisted of people who were mostly in the top 20% of THEIR high school classes).

Presumably, EM takes "above average" medical students - be it based on test scores, clinical grades, whatever. And then you have to be in the top 1/2 of THAT GROUP???

Grrr...this is getting old, and I'm only a first year!


I agree entirely with what you say. Unfortunately we will be constantly judged until the day we die (and afterwards for those who are religious).

One thing in my favour is that most programs don't put any emphasis on the inservice, and therefore the residents don't study specifically for it. Since it's graded on a curve it gives those of us who are forced to do well a slight advantage.
 
socuteMD said:
I had to be screened to go to the KINDERGARTEN I went to (private school). Then I had to apply to high school (private school, again).
Wow.. now THAT is a gunner - from kindergarten straight to high school!!!
 
socute is the official M1 EM bound gunner!
 
a) Not a gunner. At least not that anybody can tell. :meanie:

b) I went to a school that was K-8, so I didn't have to switch until it was time for high school.
 
socuteMD said:
a) Not a gunner. At least not that anybody can tell. :meanie:

We call people like that "snipers" 😀 +pad+
 
socuteMD said:
Doesn't it ever get ridiculous that we just have to continue "making the cut." I mean, for goodness sakes. I had to be screened to go to the KINDERGARTEN I went to (private school). Then I had to apply to high school (private school, again). Then I had to apply to COLLEGE, and in order to go to the college I went to I pretty much had to be in the top 20% of my graduating class. Then, to go to medical school I was expected to be near the top of my college class (which consisted of people who were mostly in the top 20% of THEIR high school classes).

Presumably, EM takes "above average" medical students - be it based on test scores, clinical grades, whatever. And then you have to be in the top 1/2 of THAT GROUP???

Grrr...this is getting old, and I'm only a first year!


I know I'll be sorry that I got into this, but what the hey. socute and EF, it probably doesn't seem likely from your viewpoint sitting at front of your computer and studying, but it's possible to get along in residency without cracking a book. It's easy in fact, since you're so busy with patient care. When you're not on duty, it's really easy to relax and have a "regular" life.

The problem with that is that you are not really in competiton with others anymore. That stopped when you got into med school. Now you are in competition with yourself to be the best doctor you possibly can. You owe it to your patients to do that, particularly if you're going to be an EP and have to have an enormous mass of material readily available on instant notice.

Wh would a PD place emphasis on Inservice?

1. It's the only nationally standardized method to follow progress.
2. Low scores predict higher probability of failure on the ABEM written exam.
3. If a lot of your graduates fail the ABEM exam, the RRC will be giving you trouble.
4. Most importantly I think, and most PDs would agree, that if your Insevice scores are very low, it's likely that you don't have the groceries to make the meal.

The good news, is that if you apply yourself, you'll do fine. You're right, you are members of a very select group.

BTW I did residency in another era. Worked more than 100 hours each week. I doubt that I read 500 pages in the whole time. I learned a whole lot, but I had to catch up on the didactics in the following 4 years. It never ends, and that's the good news. How boring would it be to know everything you needed at the end of training? 40 years of doing the same old thing? You might as well be a surgeon. 🙁 :laugh:

OK, hit me with your best.
 
Nah, it's ok BKN. I just like to whine. I actually enjoy learning, even just for learning's sake. I was really talking about the poor soul who was going to be denied his senior conference trip if he didn't meet the national average on his inservice as an intern. Right now I am studying hard because I actually (gasp!) find physiology relevant to, like, medicine and stuff.
 
BKN said:
BTW I did residency in another era. Worked more than 100 hours each week. I doubt that I read 500 pages in the whole time. I learned a whole lot, but I had to catch up on the didactics in the following 4 years. It never ends, and that's the good news. How boring would it be to know everything you needed at the end of training? 40 years of doing the same old thing? You might as well be a surgeon. 🙁 :laugh:

OK, hit me with your best.

By the way - did you walk uphill both ways to get to the hospital at which you did your residency? Or did you guys ride dinosaurs to work? :laugh:
 
Yeah BKN my question is less about why there is a test and why you get a score but rather why would a PD (as generalVeers stated) basically say that you have to do above the average or you lose certain privileges. IIRC it is a scaled test so by definition if there is a perfect bell curve 1/2 of the people will score below the mean. Thats kind of what I guess. It just seems a little nuts..Is this something a little more common or is this at a few programs? The place I will rank #1 basically stated (after I asked) that they score in the top 10-15% or so in the nation.. Does this really matter? Most others stated they score around guess? yep.. the national average..Im just curious..

Oh BTW BKN, the competition certainly DOES NOT end when you get in med school. Terms like Gunner are there for a reason. Most classes are graded on a curve and then in the 3rd yr it is the butt kissers who are the gunners.. Just my $0.02
 
Being a military residency, I thinnk that our PD's have a chip on their shoulders to prove that we are as good as everyone else. We have been nationally top 5% ALOT on the exam ( we have a 100% written ABEM pass rate and only one person has ever failed the orals in the program's history), and they mean to keep it that way. We look good then they look good to the brass, and maybe they can get one of those eagles or stars on their shoulder. I think they pick and choose us a lot for our test taking ability as well as personality. I got pretty huge scores on steps 1 and 2, (even managed to get a P on the CS 😀 )
and as far as I know am average for the air force side of our combined army af program. Oh well. It is a good program, I just don't enjoy the constantly in your face about the damn score. We were forced to add a mandatory Tuesday night Review session for the exam since September, in addition to our 5 didactic hours per week Good luck to all the takers coming up. :luck:
Steve
 
socuteMD said:
By the way - did you walk uphill both ways to get to the hospital at which you did your residency? Or did you guys ride dinosaurs to work? :laugh:

No, we were the dinosaurs. 😀

I actually did walk five miles from Hopkins to what was then Baltimore City after a blizzard and back again to see my patients. And every step of the way I was thinking "I'm gonna throw this in the face of all my residents some day. Woo-Hoo!" :laugh:
 
EctopicFetus said:
Yeah BKN my question is less about why there is a test and why you get a score but rather why would a PD (as generalVeers stated) basically say that you have to do above the average or you lose certain privileges. IIRC it is a scaled test so by definition if there is a perfect bell curve 1/2 of the people will score below the mean. Thats kind of what I guess. It just seems a little nuts..Is this something a little more common or is this at a few programs? The place I will rank #1 basically stated (after I asked) that they score in the top 10-15% or so in the nation.. Does this really matter? Most others stated they score around guess? yep.. the national average..Im just curious..

Well above the 50th seems a little tough, but I suspect it depends on what you're getting at entry. A program that matches mostly AOA types should expect that level of achievment, I guess. For most of us, I think it would be a little less. But Southerndoc has it right. All of us PDs live in Lake Wobegone where the women are strong, the men are good-lookin' and all the children are above average.

Anyway for me, it's not about the score. It's about whether in the faculty's collective judgment a resident is going to be a safe, careful physician and if not whether they can fix their problem with guidance. I set my standards by the scores that predict a 1.5x greater chance of failure on the ABEM written. That's an actual score rather than a percentile. The results of the exam include the chart. Those folks get a remediation program. Those who score above that but below the 25th percentile get a less stringent remdiation program. And I have other remediation plans for other problems. A resident may do well on the tests, but the faculty may feel he/she can't synthesize to the right diagnosis or plan. That needs a completely different approach.

I'm well aware that people gun in medical school. My point was that it's plain silly so to do. You're in and your chances of gettin out are very high unless you make an active attempt to screw up. Rather I was suggesting that the goals should change to:
1. Being sane and well adjusted,
2. Develop strong interpersonal skills and
3. to pour as much information into your database as you can accomplish.
That's what I meant when I said your in competition with yourself and you owe it to your patients.

OK, enough preaching. 🙄
 
So here's a question for you guys. Since this thread seems to have taken a tangent. Some of the programs seem to have BIG BLOCKS of time (like 5 hours at a time!) set aside for didactic stuff each week. I personally don't deal well with auditory instruction. I have to be involved and doing something to learn (my personality test actually says that I have to make learning a "multi-sensory" experience). Do those 5 hours feel like 5 hours spent in med school lectures ('cause, uh, I'm sorta the homeschool type these days...)?
 
socuteMD said:
Do those 5 hours feel like 5 hours spent in med school lectures ('cause, uh, I'm sorta the homeschool type these days...)?

Yes, the RRC-EM requires that residencies have at least 5 hours of didactics weekly, that residents must be released form clinical duties to attend and that residents must attend 70%.

I don't think you'll mind them. Clinical is an entirely different world from MS1 and 2. The chance to sit in a room and talk and think will probably seem a diversion from constant patient care. The subject matter of the lectures will seem more relevant since you'll be applying it every day.

And even if you do mind it, it's what you have to do.
 
BKN said:
Yes, the RRC-EM requires that residencies have at least 5 hours of didactics weekly, that residents must be released form clinical duties to attend and that residents must attend 70%.

I don't think you'll mind them. Clinical is an entirely different world from MS1 and 2. The chance to sit in a room and talk and think will probably seem a diversion from constant patient care. The subject matter of the lectures will seem more relevant since you'll be applying it every day.

And even if you do mind it, it's what you have to do.
As long as thinking is encouraged, I'm happy!
 
BKN said:
Yes, the RRC-EM requires that residencies have at least 5 hours of didactics weekly, that residents must be released form clinical duties to attend and that residents must attend 70%.

I don't think you'll mind them. Clinical is an entirely different world from MS1 and 2. The chance to sit in a room and talk and think will probably seem a diversion from constant patient care. The subject matter of the lectures will seem more relevant since you'll be applying it every day.

And even if you do mind it, it's what you have to do.


The didactics are a necessary evil. When I'm on off-service rotations I love our didactic day! It gets me out of 6 hours of rounding on medicine/ICU, and it doesn't count as my day off.

Unfortunately we have a serious problem with attendence, which will be resolved.....one way or another.
 
We do all 5 hours at once on Friday mornings at 0700. After the first one of the day, they feel like med school all over again, except we aren't allowed to skip. Granted, good when you are off-service because anything beats rounding, and you can zone out in peace. I have never been the lecture type. I only went to required ones in med school.

Steve
 
EctopicFetus said:
Step 2 CS... clearly sucks.. Rumor is that it will be made "optional" next yr. That thing sucks!

OPTIONAL...YOU WROTE OPTIONAL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

They may offer 16,000 4th years at US Allopathic schools the option of taking the ~$1000 exam? That stands to reason... I mean why require the exam and rake in ~$16,000,000 when we could make it optional. LOL... YOU WROTE OPTIONAL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

They are going to give up ~$16,000,000 like Jack Bauer is going to give up nuclear launch codes. 😎 😎 NEVER!!!
 
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