SUNY Upstate: mid-tier or low-tier?

[dscorcher]

Want to settle a somewhat meaningless debate

SUNY Upstate, would you consider it mid tier or low tier?

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[ProudMD]

I say mid-tier.

 

[NYCdude]

At this point I'll be happy to go bottom of a well tier.

 

[Psai]

Everything above your school is high tier
your school is mid tier
every school below is low tier

 

[ProudMD]

Everything above your school is high tier
your school is mid tier
every school below is low tier

That's a good way to put it lol

 

[zeppelinpage4]

I'd say mid-tier...though I may be biased haha. I liked Upstate a lot when I interviewed there and a few of my friends are there now.

 

[johnnytest]

Definitely mid-tier.

 

[Goro]

LizzyM score is 71.
For comparison, Mt Sinai = 76
Cornell, Pitt = 75
BU = 73
U IA, Tufts = 71
Rosy Franklin = 70
MCW = 69
Albany = 68
NYMC = 68


I'd call it a mid-tier. They are > avg for acceptees nationwide for GPAs, and avg for MCAT score.

Want to settle a somewhat meaningless debate

SUNY Upstate, would you consider it mid tier or low tier?

 

[jw3600]

LizzyM score is 71.
For comparison, Mt Sinai = 76
Cornell, Pitt = 75
BU = 73
U IA, Tufts = 71
Rosy Franklin = 70
MCW = 69
Albany = 68
NYMC = 68


I'd call it a mid-tier. They are > avg for acceptees nationwide for GPAs, and avg for MCAT score.

Where are you getting your stats? I only fact checked one (RFU) because I am familiar with it. Their average MCAT for matriculants this year was just barely above 30 with an average GPA of a little above 3.5.
(http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/Degreeprograms/AllopathicMedicine/Class.aspx)
If LizzyM score is still GPAx10+MCAT, then it's more like 65 and nowhere near 70.

 

[DermViser]

Want to settle a somewhat meaningless debate

SUNY Upstate, would you consider it mid tier or low tier?

Definite low tier.

 

[vikingsking82]

Where are you getting your stats? I only fact checked one (RFU) because I am familiar with it. Their average MCAT for matriculants this year was just barely above 30 with an average GPA of a little above 3.5.
(http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/Degreeprograms/AllopathicMedicine/Class.aspx)
If LizzyM score is still GPAx10+MCAT, then it's more like 65 and nowhere near 70.

And according to their website, SUNY total GPA is 3.63 and MCAT about 31. Though I don't think this outright means low or mid tier either.
http://www.upstate.edu/com/admissions/class_stats.php

 

[Lamel]

Where are you getting your stats? I only fact checked one (RFU) because I am familiar with it. Their average MCAT for matriculants this year was just barely above 30 with an average GPA of a little above 3.5.
(http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/Degreeprograms/AllopathicMedicine/Class.aspx)
If LizzyM score is still GPAx10+MCAT, then it's more like 65 and nowhere near 70.

He is looking at MSAR, which posts numbers for all accepted students. The websites post numbers for their actual matriculating class. The accepted numbers tend to be higher because schools accept a bunch of people, including many high stat applicants that may go elsewhere; the actual matriculant numbers drop a bit.

Edit: For the actual thread, it depends on what you mean by "tier". It is unranked in USNWR, but as Goro points out its average stats are similar to that of nationwide matriculants. Overall it is a solid school.

 

[Doug Underhill]

If it really matters to you, reconsider your priorities. "Tiers" are just a heuristic we use to discourage kids with a 3.6 and a 31 from applying only to Ivies.

All of the American medical schools, allopathic and osteopathic, are very good. Well, maybe not LUCOM.

 

[Goro]

MSAR Online. Their numbers are for acceptees.

Where are you getting your stats? I only fact checked one (RFU) because I am familiar with it. Their average MCAT for matriculants this year was just barely above 30 with an average GPA of a little above 3.5.
(http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/Degreeprograms/AllopathicMedicine/Class.aspx)
If LizzyM score is still GPAx10+MCAT, then it's more like 65 and nowhere near 70.

 

[jw3600]

I see but if we're comparing tiers (quality of school/student body), wouldn't it more reasonable to speak of who actually goes there and not just who was accepted. That way it controls for the variation of who happens to use what schools as safety schools?

 

[unnumzaan]

I see but if we're comparing tiers (quality of school/student body), wouldn't it more reasonable to speak of who actually goes there and not just who was accepted. That way it controls for the variation of who happens to use what schools as safety schools?

Yes, but that information is not nicely curated and organized into a handy online directory, so we tend to use accepted stats instead. Plus, in terms of being an applicant, the stat you care about is what it takes to be accepted, not matriculated.

 

[jw3600]

Yes, but that information is not nicely curated and organized into a handy online directory, so we tend to use accepted stats instead. Plus, in terms of being an applicant, the stat you care about is what it takes to be accepted, not matriculated.

True. I guess not all schools have class profiles online. From an applicant stand point with regards to being ACCEPTED accepted stats are representative. But if discussing tiers (if there is such a thing....) matriculant stats would be more relevant. I do agree that there is not a comprehensive data set though.

 

[Zito2002]

Couldn't you argue that the matriculant stats are actually more relevant to applicants because it helps them to see if they are in the range of the students who are actually attending the school and not if they are in the range of accepted which depending on the school likely includes more upward skewing outliers?

 

[Serous Demilune]

It's the "worst" SUNY if you factor in NIH funding and location.

 

[Psai]

It's the "worst" SUNY if you factor in NIH funding and location.

Man there's nothing more worthless than NIH funding for ranking medical schools

 

[DoctorLacrosse]

I adored it when I interviewed and would definitely be happy there, plus instate tuition is a steal. many disagree, but that's all that matters when it comes to US MD schools in my opinion.

 

[dscorcher]

thanks for all the responses everyone!
It seems there some contention about it's "tier."
I was once told from a PD of a competitive residency program/field, that they often look at students only from mid tier to high tier schools. I considered Upstate mid-tier because of its long history, attached medical center, etc., but my friend was adamant it was low-tier because it wasn't ranked on US News.
Ultimately, I don't think it matters because I realize board scores, LOR's, etc. will completely outweigh it all, but I was just curious what others thought.