Surgeons are snobs? Why?

[UFMed]

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So I've always wondered why surgeons are seen as the snobs of the medical field? I've heard that they have "I am god" syndrome and often times ignore other people's suggestions (nurses, PAs, and physicians). I don't get it. I've met a few surgeons and they seem like nice folks. Why do you think surgeons have this sort of reputation? Why is there a rift between internists/primary care and surgeons anyway?

 

[Picklesali]

Well, surgeons are also often portrayed as brainless...Like "Surgeon smurgeon, a monkey could do that"

 

[Bond8204]

I'd say the stereotype is that they're cocky instead of snobby.

The rift thing is that they see themselves as the "do-ers" of medicine and that a person in medicine can diagnose all they want but can often times only treat so much with drugs. Sure an internist diagnosed that a person had a heart problem, but a surgeon actually goes in and does the bypass. Scrubs kind of likened them to the "jocks" of medicine one time, and I think that encapsulates the stereotype well.

The flip side is that medicine considers itself a group of thinkers, and see surgeons as slicers and dicers.

It's a stereotype. My uncle is a surgeon and by no means resembles a cocky jock at all. But I'm sure there's reason the stereotype exists.

 

[Ginzo]

Cutting a living, breathing human being open with a knife, ripping out part of their body, and then sewing them back together is a very arrogant sequence of actions. Overweening self-confidence is mandatory for surgery. Sometimes this manifests as cockyness in the surgeon's personality.

 

[swifteagle43]

I HATE how arrogant surgeons are. But to be honest...I wouldnt trust a dude with a knife to cut me unless he was that confident in his abilities.

 

[SoFlaKnight]

At a medical convention, a male doctor and a female doctor start eyeing each other. The male doctor asks her to dinner and she accepts. As they sit down at the restaurant, she excuses herself to go and wash her hands.

After dinner, one thing leads to another and they end up in her hotel bedroom. Just as things get hot, the female doctor interrupts and says she has to go and wash her hands. Once she comes back they go for it. After the sex session, she gets up and says she is going to wash her hands.

As she comes back the male doctor says, "I bet you are a surgeon".
She confirms and asks how he knew.
"Easy, you're always washing your hands."
She then says, "I bet you're an anesthesiologist."
Male doctor: "Wow, how did you guess?"
Female doctor: "I didn't feel a thing." 😀

 

[VoiceofReason]

I was reading the surgery subforum and an interesting point was brought up:

I don't think anyone can really deny that the romantic ideal of the Physician is the one who swoops in to save the day. The one who rushes into the room of a desperately ill patient, quickly scans the chart, and shouts orders and goes "Stand aside" while he or she rushes the patient out the door to the OR. Some kind of superdoc. Thats what most medical students wish they could be, secretly or not, on some level.

The only specialty that comes close to making this a reality is surgery. The residency can blow dogs at times, though, so a lot of people opt for something else. And herein lies the problem, people of other specialties will then try to play surgeon when they aren't trained for it, and they'll harm the patient out of incompetence. Now the surgeon has to be called in to fix the problem, and the surgeon will be annoyed with you when he finds out what happened.

Maybe this is where the stereotype comes from. It probably accounts for the opinion of surgeons held by most non-surgeon physicians. Who knows where the nurses get their opinion... Maybe they just screw up way too much and the surgeon has to fix their problems as well?

 

[spanamit]

At a medical convention, a male doctor and a female doctor start eyeing each other. The male doctor asks her to dinner and she accepts. As they sit down at the restaurant, she excuses herself to go and wash her hands.

After dinner, one thing leads to another and they end up in her hotel bedroom. Just as things get hot, the female doctor interrupts and says she has to go and wash her hands. Once she comes back they go for it. After the sex session, she gets up and says she is going to wash her hands.

As she comes back the male doctor says, "I bet you are a surgeon".
She confirms and asks how he knew.
"Easy, you're always washing your hands."
She then says, "I bet you're an anesthesiologist."
Male doctor: "Wow, how did you guess?"
Female doctor: "I didn't feel a thing." 😀

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA. Oh that's so great.

 

[ChubbyChaser]

At a medical convention, a male doctor and a female doctor start eyeing each other. The male doctor asks her to dinner and she accepts. As they sit down at the restaurant, she excuses herself to go and wash her hands.

After dinner, one thing leads to another and they end up in her hotel bedroom. Just as things get hot, the female doctor interrupts and says she has to go and wash her hands. Once she comes back they go for it. After the sex session, she gets up and says she is going to wash her hands.

As she comes back the male doctor says, "I bet you are a surgeon".
She confirms and asks how he knew.
"Easy, you're always washing your hands."
She then says, "I bet you're an anesthesiologist."
Male doctor: "Wow, how did you guess?"
Female doctor: "I didn't feel a thing." 😀

HAHA sucks for him

 

[spanamit]

As my uncle, a surgeon, says: "everyone wants to be a surgeon, some just aren't blessed enough to be able to do it."

 

[UFMed]

At a medical convention, a male doctor and a female doctor start eyeing each other. The male doctor asks her to dinner and she accepts. As they sit down at the restaurant, she excuses herself to go and wash her hands.

After dinner, one thing leads to another and they end up in her hotel bedroom. Just as things get hot, the female doctor interrupts and says she has to go and wash her hands. Once she comes back they go for it. After the sex session, she gets up and says she is going to wash her hands.

As she comes back the male doctor says, "I bet you are a surgeon".
She confirms and asks how he knew.
"Easy, you're always washing your hands."
She then says, "I bet you're an anesthesiologist."
Male doctor: "Wow, how did you guess?"
Female doctor: "I didn't feel a thing." 😀

lol!

 

[TheNextMD]

All the surgeons I've met and the one I work for are all pretty nice, and some are downright hilarious. I've only seen them cranky a couple times just because they do so damn much.

 

[UFMed]

I was reading the surgery subforum and an interesting point was brought up:

I don't think anyone can really deny that the romantic ideal of the Physician is the one who swoops in to save the day. The one who rushes into the room of a desperately ill patient, quickly scans the chart, and shouts orders and goes "Stand aside" while he or she rushes the patient out the door to the OR. Some kind of superdoc. Thats what most medical students wish they could be, secretly or not, on some level.

The only specialty that comes close to making this a reality is surgery. The residency can blow dogs at times, though, so a lot of people opt for something else. And herein lies the problem, people of other specialties will then try to play surgeon when they aren't trained for it, and they'll harm the patient out of incompetence. Now the surgeon has to be called in to fix the problem, and the surgeon will be annoyed with you when he finds out what happened.

Maybe this is where the stereotype comes from. It probably accounts for the opinion of surgeons held by most non-surgeon physicians. Who knows where the nurses get their opinion... Maybe they just screw up way too much and the surgeon has to fix their problems as well?

This is a very good point. I never thought about like that. 🙂

 

[UFMed]

I'd say the stereotype is that they're cocky instead of snobby.

The rift thing is that they see themselves as the "do-ers" of medicine and that a person in medicine can diagnose all they want but can often times only treat so much with drugs. Sure an internist diagnosed that a person had a heart problem, but a surgeon actually goes in and does the bypass. Scrubs kind of likened them to the "jocks" of medicine one time, and I think that encapsulates the stereotype well.

The flip side is that medicine considers itself a group of thinkers, and see surgeons as slicers and dicers.

It's a stereotype. My uncle is a surgeon and by no means resembles a cocky jock at all. But I'm sure there's reason the stereotype exists.

You're right, cocky may be the better word. I just hate it that some see this important field as a place for the arrogant a-holes who don't use their head, only their hands. I mean, doesn't there have to be a lot of thinking and decision making in surgery? I shadowed a thoracic surgeon, and that guy had to know so much and think/analyze/plan ahead to the point that I could never dream of calling it brainless work.

 

[nonesuchgirl]

All the surgeons I've met and the one I work for are all pretty nice, and some are downright hilarious. I've only seen them cranky a couple times just because they do so damn much.

I agree with this. I <3 my surgery peeps.

If anything, the women surgeons I've met seem to have something stuck up their butts, but that's a completely different thread.

 

[NoUse4aName1286]

Cutting a living, breathing human being open with a knife, ripping out part of their body, and then sewing them back together is a very arrogant sequence of actions. Overweening self-confidence is mandatory for surgery. Sometimes this manifests as cockyness in the surgeon's personality.

I agree; how else can you have steady hands while picking apart someone's brain, heart or eyeball?

I would love to be a surgeon, hope I make the cut someday.

 

[neuro1617]

Well this is not my opinion, but I've heard people say it's because they're sort of playing God, as they're the closest it comes since they can change the course of patients' lives with 1 surgery.

 

[neuro1617]

Scrubs kind of likened them to the "jocks" of medicine one time, and I think that encapsulates the stereotype well.

I've heard orthopedic surgeons are the jocks😎

 

[pakbabydoll]

I know some surgeons and they are nice to me.

At a medical convention, a male doctor and a female doctor start eyeing each other. The male doctor asks her to dinner and she accepts. As they sit down at the restaurant, she excuses herself to go and wash her hands.

After dinner, one thing leads to another and they end up in her hotel bedroom. Just as things get hot, the female doctor interrupts and says she has to go and wash her hands. Once she comes back they go for it. After the sex session, she gets up and says she is going to wash her hands.

As she comes back the male doctor says, "I bet you are a surgeon".
She confirms and asks how he knew.
"Easy, you're always washing your hands."
She then says, "I bet you're an anesthesiologist."
Male doctor: "Wow, how did you guess?"
Female doctor: "I didn't feel a thing."

lol

 

[VoiceofReason]

Well this is not my opinion, but I've heard people say it's because they're sort of playing God, as they're the closest it comes since they can change the course of patients' lives with 1 surgery.

Basically. Thats what makes it so attractive. The power to match the idealism.

I haven't started school yet so I'm still an idealist, and I have my eye on surgery at the moment... The most sacrifice for the most power to heal. Plus I just think its cool as hell.

Edit: I'd need a pretty compelling reason to choose a lifestyle specialty over surgery. I think thats what it will come down to. Whether or not a future significant other wants to see more of me than surgery will allow. Other than that its surgery or bust because I'm a workaholic among other things (my free time bores the **** out of me currently, maybe I just need a change of scenery).

 

[UFMed]

Basically. Thats what makes it so attractive. The power to match the idealism.

I haven't started school yet so I'm still an idealist, and I have my eye on surgery at the moment... The most sacrifice for the most power to heal. Plus I just think its cool as hell.

Edit: I'd need a pretty compelling reason to choose a lifestyle specialty over surgery. I think thats what it will come down to. Whether or not a future significant other wants to see more of me than surgery will allow. Other than that its surgery or bust because I'm a workaholic among other things (my free time bores the **** out of me currently, maybe I just need a change of scenery).

I'm thinking the same thing. I just imagine a surgeon's life to be filled with more excitement- general, ortho, neuro, plastics, thoracic, etc. seem like fields with interesting cases- and I doubt no two surgeries can be alike. Its a combination of mental and physical abilities. I also tend to think a surgeon's job is better secured than a primary care one in the long run- with all this talk about NP, PA and now Pharm's possibly doing some level of primary care- I think there is better protection in surgery. On top of all this, these fields are changing all the time, and with the advent of better equipment/technique (laparoscopic, interventional cardio, etc) it seems like a promising future to do a lot of good.

I imagine a trauma victim being rushed to the ER- if there isn't a surgeon around, the chances of survival are slim to none.

 

[erica31]

I have a different opinion....... and this stems from me having a chronic disease that has required 5 surgeries in my lifetime.

I don't think surgeons are snobs....... what I DO think though, it that most surgeons are not as used to talking to patients (aka they are under anesthesia) so may not have the social skills other physicians have.

I have met some great surgeons, with wonderful hearts, but were just quiet by nature....... and when I wanted to talk with them, they were like "Oops! The patient is awake! What should I do?!"

Now as far as the extremely muscular surgeons with the cut scrubs to accentuate their arm muscles........ could be a different story. But still, surgeons are known to be the jocks of doctors!

 

[135892]

I have a different opinion....... and this stems from me having a chronic disease that has required 5 surgeries in my lifetime.

I don't think surgeons are snobs....... what I DO think though, it that most surgeons are not as used to talking to patients (aka they are under anesthesia) so may not have the social skills other physicians have.

I have met some great surgeons, with wonderful hearts, but were just quiet by nature....... and when I wanted to talk with them, they were like "Oops! The patient is awake! What should I do?!"

Now as far as the extremely muscular surgeons with the cut scrubs to accentuate their arm muscles........ could be a different story. But still, surgeons are known to be the jocks of doctors!

I actually agree with this in a way. A few surgeons I know just aren't very talkative people to begin with, and this may cause them to seem arrogant, even though they really are pretty nice.

 

[bournemdstudent]

I would love to be a surgeon, hope I make the cut someday.

That is why surgeons think they're better than other doctors. Because people, for some reason, think that surgeons are the best, most-highly trained physicians and that the only reason one would go into primary care is because they weren't able to "make the cut".

This is interesting to me because general surgery isn't even all that competitive to get into. Yes, I know that some of the subspecialties are tough to match into (urology, ent, not to mention plastics) but plenty of non-surgical fields are just as hard, if not harder to get into (derm, rads, onc, GI, cards).

 

[NoUse4aName1286]

That is why surgeons think they're better than other doctors. Because people, for some reason, think that surgeons are the best, most-highly trained physicians and that the only reason one would go into primary care is because they weren't able to "make the cut".

This is interesting to me because general surgery isn't even all that competitive to get into. Yes, I know that some of the subspecialties are tough to match into (urology, ent, not to mention plastics) but plenty of non-surgical fields are just as hard, if not harder to get into (derm, rads, onc, GI, cards).

I never said this, though i believe some people feel this way, I don't. But, I'm pretty sure the residency match for general surgery (not just specialties) and others is extremely hard b/c LOTS of people want in. As to the non-surgical fields you mentioned, they're very sought after b/c they are part of the ROAD lifestyle ideal. I don't believe most other primary care fields are quite so competitive.

 

[nomoreplz]

That is why surgeons think they're better than other doctors. Because people, for some reason, think that surgeons are the best, most-highly trained physicians and that the only reason one would go into primary care is because they weren't able to "make the cut".

This is interesting to me because general surgery isn't even all that competitive to get into. Yes, I know that some of the subspecialties are tough to match into (urology, ent, not to mention plastics) but plenty of non-surgical fields are just as hard, if not harder to get into (derm, rads, onc, GI, cards).

As my uncle, a surgeon, says: "everyone wants to be a surgeon, some just aren't blessed enough to be able to do it."

Yeah I don't get it. I mean, my best friend is made to be a surgeon - slicing and dicing gets her super excited, and she has really steady hands. While I think that if I wanted to do surgery I could, I have absolutely no urge to do so. I want to talk to my patients, work more on the everyday problems. I totally disagree with the notion that everyone wants to be a surgeon, and of course it's ridiculous that surgeons are the "best, most-highly trained physicians." Some are! But some aren't.

 

[liripez]

I know one, he is snobby

 

[NoUse4aName1286]

I know one, he is snobby

I know one, he is not. Guess that makes your point null.

 

[BigMDT]

talk about snobby----


at one interview with a surgeon, the first question he asked me was how much money do i make in my current job. i told him,

and he replied: "Wow, you know doctors make quite a bit more than that! How much do you think I MAKE???!!"

I said I had no idea, and quessed around 300K a year?


He said he made more than that.

 

[NoUse4aName1286]

You should have smacked him

 

[UFMed]

wow- that is a really awkward way to start an interview. You should've asked him if his yearly salary is enough to buy him a new personality.
But, I don't think any one person is representative of the entire profession.
If you get accepted to that school- I'm sure you can get him to invite you for a round of golf at his uppity country club. 😎

 

[Ginzo]

talk about snobby----


at one interview with a surgeon, the first question he asked me was how much money do i make in my current job. i told him,

and he replied: "Wow, you know doctors make quite a bit more than that! How much do you think I MAKE???!!"

I said I had no idea, and quessed around 300K a year?


He said he made more than that.

That surgeon's large salary apparently failed to buy him self-esteem, good manners, and class.

 

[carwreck]

talk about snobby----


at one interview with a surgeon, the first question he asked me was how much money do i make in my current job. i told him,

and he replied: "Wow, you know doctors make quite a bit more than that! How much do you think I MAKE???!!"

I said I had no idea, and quessed around 300K a year?


He said he made more than that.

Wow. Maybe he was just trying to get a reaction out of you?
I interviewed with a couple of surgeons, and I always felt more comfortable talking to them. They were very "to the point" kind of guys. My dad's a surgeon, and I work with surgeons at the hospital where I volunteer so I'm more used to this type of conversation. Maybe I'll turn out to be a cutter?

 

[BigMDT]

Wow. Maybe he was just trying to get a reaction out of you?
I interviewed with a couple of surgeons, and I always felt more comfortable talking to them. They were very "to the point" kind of guys. My dad's a surgeon, and I work with surgeons at the hospital where I volunteer so I'm more used to this type of conversation. Maybe I'll turn out to be a cutter?

he was pretty cocky the rest of the interview. i for one, do not get along with that kind of attitude. interview went fairly well though, i adjusted my demeanor (sp?) in a split second to match his and the interview went smoothly.

 

[OMFB]

From working in an OR all summer, there are definitely personality differences in surgeons. It's actually kind of hilarious because each field seems to have different stereotypes. This is all horribly generalized, but from talking to the residents at this hospital they mostly agree that:

Ortho guys (or the rare girls) are the "jocks" of surgery. Urology people had a great sense of humor (penis jokes anyone?). Anesthesiologists were really chill, but really on point. Cardiac people were the most intense and tended to have the demand a lot of perfection from everyone. I dont know if neuro is like this everyone, but the neuro guys were the sweetest, without a doubt. They joked around while keeping rock steady hands on like 3 hours of sleep. And they were actually nice to everyone else in the room. Plastics wouldnt stop talking about how awesome they were/bitching about other things.

Most of the doctors agreed that you dont choose the field so much as the field chooses you. You are automatically drawn to the field where your personality fits in. It makes me really curious to see where I will end up.

 

[PeepshowJohnny]

It's too long to type out, but it's kind of a confluence between the type of personalities surgical fields tend to attract, the nature and demands of their training, and how they interact with other medical specialties.

 

[SoCuteMD]

As my uncle, a surgeon, says: "everyone wants to be a surgeon, some just aren't blessed enough to be able to do it."

I'm a third year med student about a week and a half from the end of my rotation, and I will openly admit that my experience has been pretty miserable for a number of reasons. I would also argue that it has been more "real" than other colleagues' rotations.

Surgeons on the street or around the hospital are different than surgeons in the OR or interacting with those DIRECTLY under them on the totem pole (residents, med students, junior partners in their practice). The hierarchy is valued to an extreme in surgery, to the extent that I was called out by the ENTIRE OR staff for reminding an attending surgeon to stop in and let a patient's daughter know she was ok after she was taken to the OR on a Sunday afternoon for an exploratory laparotomy. It would be hard for anyone outside of the OR, or even anyone casually observing rounds to understand the politics and the undercurrents present, but as an MS3 on surgery those things have as much influence on my day as anything else.

As for "everyone wanting to be a surgeon," I can promise you that this is something surgeons say to make themselves feel better. People are drawn to every field in medicine, and thank goodness!

As for the person who stated s/he was a workaholic and couldn't imagine not being a surgeon for this reason, I can pretty much promise you that there is a difference between your average workaholic and your average surgeon. There's a difference between having free time and having time to pay your bills. I got home from work less than an hour ago, and if I don't go to bed 5 minutes ago, I won't get more than 7 hours of sleep. There have been weeks where I logged less than 20 hours of sleep over 7 days.

 

[VoiceofReason]

I guess you just skimread my post then, I said it was one thing among many and it wasn't the first or primary thing i mentioned as my reason...

 

[pluripotent]

I just interviewed with a neurosurgeon at Dartmouth. I would say he was very nice, not cocky, but VERY direct. His first sentence was an introduction. His second sentence to me was, "why do you want to go to medical school." Two minutes later, his third question was, "Why Dartmouth?" The final question, 3 minutes later, was "what do you bring to Dartmouth?" There I am, expecting a bit of conversation before these tougher questions, and within 10 minutes, he asks all 3 straight out and very bluntly. But he was so nice.

Are surgeons usually that direct AND nice? Thats a tough balance to strike for anyone, no less a busy physician. Undoubtedly, some surgeons get unbalanced and end up cocky. I don't think they mean to be cocky. I don't think surgeons should be overly sensitive either. Clearly, its a profession meant for a very specific personality.

 

[BrokenGlass]

I just interviewed with a neurosurgeon at Dartmouth. I would say he was very nice, not cocky, but VERY direct. His first sentence was an introduction. His second sentence to me was, "why do you want to go to medical school." Two minutes later, his third question was, "Why Dartmouth?" The final question, 3 minutes later, was "what do you bring to Dartmouth?" There I am, expecting a bit of conversation before these tougher questions, and within 10 minutes, he asks all 3 straight out and very bluntly. But he was so nice.

Are surgeons usually that direct AND nice? Thats a tough balance to strike for anyone, no less a busy physician. Undoubtedly, some surgeons get unbalanced and end up cocky. I don't think they mean to be cocky. I don't think surgeons should be overly sensitive either. Clearly, its a profession meant for a very specific personality.

It's not necessarily the case that his way of conducting interviews is influenced by him being a surgeon. Any other type of doctor could have conducted the interview in the same manner.

 

[SoCuteMD]

So I'm guessing you're not going to be applying to a surgical residency? 😉

Let me offer another perspective: For the person who said they couldn't imagine not being a surgeon, congratulations, you're exactly the type of person we want. In fact, if you're not 100% committed to the idea of becoming a surgeon, surgical programs probably aren't going to be interested in you at all.

This is kind of hard pill for people outside of surgery to swallow, which probably accounts for a lot of the negativity non-surgically oriented students have to the field. If you don't want to do surgery, surgeons aren't particularly interested in you. Unlike other fields, surgeons aren't looking to "attract students to the field" or "show them the positives" or any other such fluff. It's more like a country club: if you're not interested in joining, great, go away; and if you are interested in joining, you still have to prove yourself before you get the key to the OR.

Surgery holds on to its exclusive mind-set. They can do this because there is still no shortage of applicants. When everyone here gets to their MSIII year, you will realize (even if you hate surgery) that surgeons manage all the same conditions and problems that medicine does, and they operate on top of it. That's a huge responsibility, and takes a special kind of person. In a lot of ways, the people who go after this field are born, not made.

Definitely will not be doing surgery.

I think you are right that SOME people in surgery are not interested in teaching those who are not going into surgery, but I see this is as a disservice of surgeons to themselves. They don't want to teach me, the (likely) future EM physician about how to evaluate whether or not to get a surgery consult, but they also abhor the incessant calls from the Emergency Department.

I think for me the most disappointing part of my surgery rotation is that I COULD have liked it. I am willing to work and willing to learn, but when you turn me into a floor monkey and offer NOTHING in return (I put in 6 sutures today, that doubled my number of sutures put in for the whole rotation thus far), I'm not going to like it (or you) very much.

 

[0Complications]

As for the person who stated s/he was a workaholic and couldn't imagine not being a surgeon for this reason, I can pretty much promise you that there is a difference between your average workaholic and your average surgeon. There's a difference between having free time and having time to pay your bills. I got home from work less than an hour ago, and if I don't go to bed 5 minutes ago, I won't get more than 7 hours of sleep. There have been weeks where I logged less than 20 hours of sleep over 7 days.

I go almost every week with ~28 hours of sleep or less. If 7 hours of night is commonplace in surgery I'll actually be getting more sleep. 👍

 

[onslaught61]

general consensus? surgery blows. On a serious note, I'd think it'd be pretty hard for me not to get arrogant sometimes if I were a surgeon, given what they have to do.

 

[remo]

Beyond doing actually operations some surgeons have to manage the sickest people in the ICU and this can take a lot more brainpower than that required to manage regular medical patients on the floor.

 

[VoiceofReason]

general consensus? surgery blows. On a serious note, I'd think it'd be pretty hard for me not to get arrogant sometimes if I were a surgeon, given what they have to do.

The residency is pretty objectively undesirable, to be specific. But a surgeon's lifestyle is only as bad as you make it. Some leave by 3 every day.

 

[liripez]

NoUse4aName1286 i guess you want to become a surgeon😎

 

[Begaster]

They cut people open, man. THEY CUT PEOPLE OPEN!

If I was cutting people open, fixing them up, and then putting them back together, I'd feel like God Almighty too. 😛

 

[NoUse4aName1286]

NoUse4aName1286 i guess you want to become a surgeon😎

Yeah, but my post before was only mocking you b/c it read like it should be generally accepted of ALL surgeons, you know what I mean?

I was being a smart a$$

 

[TMP-SMX]

IM fellows are beginning to do more of what surgeons used to do with far less invasive procedures. Plus, surgery can be downright boring for people with certain personalities. For surgery you do have to fit a certain mindset.

 

[ucsfdoc22]

typical surgeon: http://thetoddtime.com/