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[heartsurgeon]

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which one of these would you prefer to read-sabiston, schwartz,current surgery(cameron),greenfields,mastery of surgery.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Cameron is easier to read and more clinical; Greenfields more detailed basic science.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Cameron is easier to read and more clinical; Greenfields more detailed basic science.

Thank you for your opinion. any take on the other textbooks.

 

[Pir8DeacDoc]

did you use the search function? This topic has been beaten to death previously.

 

[Blade28]

The Real Surgery FAQs

 

[Winged Scapula]

Thank you for your opinion. any take on the other textbooks.

Mastery is nice because its got drawings, but the text doesn't go into enough detail. I've never read Sabiston so don't have an opinion and I've got Schwartz but don't use it. I like the ACS book as it has a little of both basic science and clinical stuff, including operative procedures. No one book is perfect, IMHO.

You should get the book YOU like best and the one your program uses. If they teach from the text and have educational sessions based on Chapter X in Book A, then that's the book you should choose.

But I am curious as to why a self-proclaimed Chief Surgical Resident is asking about books. Are you studying for boards in August? Because the answer for boards might be different than if you were a junior or senior resident.

 

[njbmd]

When I was in residency, I read Cameron primarily after my PGY-2 year. I read Sabiston every year (many of the chapter authors were from my institution) as there were plenty of free copies lying around. Cameron has been the most useful text for me day in and day out. I like ACS too and used it from time to time but again, Cameron was my man. Greenfield wasn't a good read for me but other folks love it and I didn't have much experience with Schwartz.

My principle means of judging a surgical textbook is to scan what they have on rectal prolapse. If rectal prolapse is good, the text is good. That's my "litmus" (oops I mean "rectal prolapse") test. 😱

 

[Castro Viejo]

I personally prefer Schwartz. It's what I've been reading since my R2 year. I tried reading Greenfield initially but found it too dense. Sabiston felt too light.

Cameron is too clinical and great when you're a Chief Resident/Fellow/Attending, I think, but I've only got so much time in the day.

And I've never read Mastery of Surgery.

But, dude, really if you're a Chief Resident in General Surgery, it may be a little late asking about textbooks now. 🙂 If you're thinking of studying for the boards now, might I suggest course review notes, questions, questions, and more questions...

 

[Blade28]

My principle means of judging a surgical textbook is to scan what they have on rectal prolapse. If rectal prolapse is good, the text is good. That's my "litmus" (oops I mean "rectal prolapse") test. 😱

That's funny!...I have my own litmus test. I usually look up colon cancer and gallstone disease. 🙂

I'm a Sabiston's user...have been since my MS-IV year.

 

[Winged Scapula]

So consensus is?

1 vote for Schwartz
1 vote for Sabiston
2 votes for Cameron, 1 vote against (so = 1 vote for Cameron)

There is no consensus!😀

 

[heartsurgeon]

But, dude, really if you're a Chief Resident in General Surgery, it may be a little late asking about textbooks now. 🙂 If you're thinking of studying for the boards now, might I suggest course review notes, questions, questions, and more questions...

I know that,i was just asking to find out what people thought about various texts especially in the twilight of their residency years.

 

[Blade28]

But I am curious as to why a self-proclaimed Chief Surgical Resident is asking about books. Are you studying for boards in August? Because the answer for boards might be different than if you were a junior or senior resident.

I thought he was entering the Match this year? 😕

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=457774

 

[Winged Scapula]

I thought he was entering the Match this year? 😕

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=457774

Hmmm...curious.

The OP lists themselves as a Resident and under profile is listed as Chief Surgical Resident.

 

[Hamilton Bailey]

which one of these would you prefer to read-sabiston, schwartz,current surgery(cameron),greenfields,mastery of surgery.

Each book has its own flavor IMHO.
Sabiston: Talks about trials and lets you make your own conclusions.
Schwartz: A bit dogmatic but to the point. Good coverage of basic sciences esp Burns.
Cameron: Gives the current consensus without much deliberation.
Greenfield: Tries to be a combination of Cameron and Schwartz..but is neither here nor there
Mastery: If you need an experts view on a particular topic this is the book

 

[heartsurgeon]

Hmmm...curious.

The OP lists themselves as a Resident and under profile is listed as Chief Surgical Resident.

I am a exiting chief resident in india soon to be a fellow. since some of the books we read are authored by american surgeons i wanted to get a feel about the same from my equivalents.🙄

 

[Winged Scapula]

I am a exiting chief resident in india soon to be a fellow. since some of the books we read are authored by american surgeons i wanted to get a feel about the same from my equivalents.🙄

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Castro Viejo]

I am a exiting chief resident in india soon to be a fellow. since some of the books we read are authored by american surgeons i wanted to get a feel about the same from my equivalents.🙄

What's your fellowship in?

 

[heartsurgeon]

As my username suggests General ct&vs

 

[Castro Viejo]

As my username suggests General ct&vs

No, it doesn't. Not to me.

I'm unfamiliar with the training system in India.

 

[SLUser11]

So consensus is?

1 vote for Schwartz
1 vote for Sabiston
2 votes for Cameron, 1 vote against (so = 1 vote for Cameron)

There is no consensus!😀

I've read 95% of Sabiston, and about 40-50% of Schwartz, and I strongly prefer Sabiston.


I also recently bought the new edition of Camerons, and I think that it'll be perfect for background reading as a PGY-3.

I read topics in Mastery of Surgery as a student, especially when preparing for cases, but really haven't used it at all as a resident. When I want to read about the technical aspects of a case, I generally use Operative Anatomy by Scott-Conner.

Also, instead of reading, I'll often just make stuff up......this works especially well with the students.....

 

[heartsurgeon]

i apologise for that

 

[heartsurgeon]

i apologise for that

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our system is 3(gen.surg)+3(ct surg)+1to1.5 add. specialistion eg.paed ct surg.

 

[heartsurgeon]

my prefrences resonate with that of SLUuser11. does anyone read maingot.how about blumgart and fong-hepatobiliary.

 

[thelousyllama]

Bailey and Love>?🙄

 

[heartsurgeon]

b&l looks very deceptive with its superflous information but when interpreted by a seasoned clinician can be very productive.

 

[ghost_its]

To the OP, I think you'll typically find that across the U.S. gen surg residencies (which by the way are currently 5 years at least, even though there is a move afoot to make them more modular in a similar respect to yours), you will find the following three texts used most by the interns/junior level residents.

1. Sabiston's
2. Greenfield's
3. Schwartz

The seniors/chiefs typically move on to use Cameron's Current Surgical Therapy as it is clinically oriented, very concise presentation of usually the most current consensus approaches to general surgery topics.
Obviously all these are supplemented by whatever each person is interested in, so for instance, I know our Vascular Fellows and residents interested in Vasc. surgery read Stanley's text. Hepatobiliary guys can reference Yuman Fong's text, etc. And very often all of us have at least one core Gen. surg. atlas, most often Zollinger's or Chassin's or couple of others.

 

[DoctorMunchkin]

To echo what everyone else has said ; I'm kind of a book hound and own all but Schwartz, but its been ordered

I like camerons - quick read, good pictures, to the point and good operative descriptions
Greenfield - good as a read before M&M - when you may get more basic science and research types of pimping, I mean questions
Chassins - like the short pearls and pitfalls, easy to read, again good pictures

I also like some of the books on complications - like the Mulholland one - good, again right before M&M

For trauma - love the Maddox

Anyway, my $.02 worth.

 

[tri]

For gen knowledge and testing
1) Sabiston
2) Greenfield
3) Schwartz
Having read all 3 of them cover to cover, I prefer them in that order. For me, Schwartz was very very hard to read through and I think they got tangential in some of their discussionw. Greenfield was pretty detailed too, and given that I have the attention span of a gnat, was pretty painful sometimes as well. Sabiston had enough pictures and imho, took a no bull$#!t approach to subjects.

i also highly recommend investing in Mastery of Surgery as it will tell you how to do in a step by step fashion basically any operation you would ever have to do during Gen Surg residency (even vascular and some plastics stuff). You can get it at a discount by getting it directly from the publisher (or call a rep) while you're a resident. I don't own one, but leech off all my friends whenever I am going to do some procedure i've never done before.

 

[tri]

I also like some of the books on complications - like the Mulholland one - good, again right before M&M
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I've read the mulholland "Complications of Surgery" as well. It's pretty good and definitely good for M&M and a quick read. Doesn't offer too much more info than what is in a standard text book like sabiston but does have a few great chapters that should be read like the Biliary tract injuries and complications of pancreatic surgery.

 

[tacobell]

The above text, as the name implies, covers only GI surgery. But it's the perfect read (I think) for a chief to brush up on something he may not have done in a while and for an attending who wants to clarify / remind him/herslef of before he heads to the OR. Downside is minimal basic science and limited scope of coverage.

And it does have its very own chapter on rectal prolapse🙂

 

[kirurg]

Are the MD Consult versions the same as the printed versions? I've read chapters from Sabiston online and they didn't seem very thorough.

 

[XoQo]

Are the MD Consult versions the same as the printed versions? I've read chapters from Sabiston online and they didn't seem very thorough.

the MD consult Schwartz text is verbatim (as are the figures) from the hardcopy.


no clue about Sabiston's though.