Surgical Sub-I

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Nauramian

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So I've begun my first sub-internship doing general surgery.....and so far I have to say its not as fufilling as I thought it might be. Is it wrong to assume that a sub-i should be more involved in the cases in the operating room?...meaning more than just a human retractor? I've scrubed with chiefs down to the interns and not one of them would offer any teaching or to take part in closing. Where I did my clerkship as a third year I've done more. Is it 'out of my place' to ask to do more in the OR....its tough to read residents when you are just meeting them for the first time and want to be helpful but not pushy. Also, should a sub-I in surgery be more involved with floor patient care than the OR? Sorry if this seems stupid but no one really every described to me what a roll of a sub-intern is; especially when your at a visiting institution that has no said 'curriculum' for one.
thanks in advance...
 
Is your program top-heavy? The more community-type programs will let you operate more. Or try to scrub in with just the attending (might be smaller cases, but still!).
 
I just started my sub i too. Done with the first week at my home institution. It's tough because I never actually rotated there as my school has multiple in house sites for the third year clerkship. Getting used to just getting labs, x-rays, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm getting to scrub pretty often with the PD so far which is good. Looking forward to scrubbing with the chair in the coming week.

I'm a little lost too regarding how much floor work I should be doing... Also, I heard previous sub i did not take calls?! adn the chief said that as long as there are enough third years around that I didn't have to take calls?!

It would be good to hear from previous sub i's what their experiences were.
 
When I did my surg sub-I last year, I actually found it in more difficult than third year for reasons that surprised me. Mainly, I struggled with what you guys seem to be struggling with, the lack of clear guidelines and role. Here are my thoughts, which are clearly opinions only.

1. The surgical experience will vary; in general I tended to be human retractor more than active participant, but I did get to help the chiefs/R3s open and close the big cases while the attending was doing something else. Don't forget, that next year as an intern, you won't get anywhere near those big cases, so enjoy it and soak up as much as you can, even as a passive observer. Also, the downside of doing a sub-I early in the year is that residents are less comfortable with their roles and more likely to be controlling/selfish with the opportunities.

2. As a current intern, my feeling about my sub-I is that while they should be willing to help out in whatever way possible while they are available, they should not miss chances to go to the OR to help me with the scut I do on the floor. I wouldn't be happy if they were chilling in the lounge while I'm writing TPN, but I would never dream of taking them away from scrubbing on a big, fun case.

3. The issue of call: I would follow your seniors' directions. If they say you needn't take call, I wouldn't, because taking call will take decrease your ability of being sharp and impressive infront of attendings, which should be your major goal of your sub I (not gunner, but interested and active). On the other hand, if you are told to take call, ask the intern if you can help out and "practice" being the intern. I had my sub-I go evaluate a patient before I came to the floor to see them (if you ever have this happen and the patient is unstable/a lot sicker than it seemed by the nurse's call, page the person above you immediately).

One of the most important things about being a sub-I is working to project the kind of person you would be as a resident: hard working, dedicated, meticulous, cheerful, etc etc etc. You want your team to like you, and your attendings to want you for their program next year. And it's a relatively short, very intense experience; I would come in before the intern and close the late case with the chief, take trauma call and stay the next day, etc. I was pretty sure I was in house more than the residents I was working with (they were tight with the hours requirements) but never ever ever complain. Just sleep when the rotation is over.
 
i am going through EXACTLY this same issue. as a 3rd year i was used to closing every case, now as a sub-i im not even getting to do that! the only difference i can see is more responsibility in the clinic, but who wants that?! 🙁 as far as operative experience, its gone DOWN if anything. i was really bummed until i read your guys' stories. maybe this is just the way sub-i's work or somethin.
 
My first surg sub-I duties panned out to be pre-rounding (they didn't ask me to do this but I did and the residents were happy), the occasional routine orders (had to be cosigned anyway of course), the occasional post-op orders (one fellow liked to do his own b/c he had his own little routine), and LOTS of time in the OR, including doing a few opening incisions and closing, which, on this service meant mostly staples, but I'll take anything I can get.

The intern on our team was possibly the coolest cat on the planet, and he told me from the start that I should spend as much time in the OR as possible, and he covered the floors. Several times during the rotation he would just stop and tell the resident or attending (!) how hard I was working and that I was a good addition to the team. I felt that this was way overboard, but he's like 'no, they need to know.'

I never felt lost or underappreciated or abused, which were my fears. It was a sometimes crazy (lightning rounds), physically exhausting rotation, but if I could go back tomorrow I'd be there in a second.
 
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