In reality, very few people ever have to worry about this. If you haven't seen the stats, only around 20% of all applicants ever see more than one A. What's more, what I am seeing from my kind of large sampling of friends and acquaintances from both last cycle and this one, is that schools are pretty good at yield protecting. My high stat friends just haven't been getting a lot of love from schools outside the T20, and, of course, lower stat people don't have a lot of success with T20.
Depends on the school, how it's financed and your career goals. However, no use in debating unless you have a T20 in hand.
....AND a T70!!! 😎
True, but if you are T20 caliber you may be yield protected by T70s.
So what you're saying is, if you're not totally set on Academic Medicine, then there really isn't a difference going to Harvard Med vs. Drexel Med for example?
or any foreign medical school as long as you can get residency if you are only looking at $$$s.
To be fair, that's a huge "as long as"!! 😎
What he's saying is that the difference only comes from how badly you want someone to go, "Oh you went to Harvard, you must be smart." You can get into any specialty, at nearly any residency program from almost any school. You can get into academic medicine from almost any medical school as well.
Is it longer than premed -> medical school? remember 60% don't get admissions sales pitch. All my N > 1 IMGs this year got residencies.
Yeah, you have residency and fellowship to prove you are smart if you want to be compared to Harvard grads 🙂
Yeah, because you're talking about the 60%! Extrapolate your N=1s over the entire population, and all FMGs match, so Caribbean is legit, right??? All you really said is that "so long as everything works out, everything will be fine." Other than ignoring the fact that the majority don't match, what you said is very true. 🙂
Caribbean is legit, but what percentage survive is different. Those who survived get same compensation as Harvard grads.
If you say so. Apparently, our definitions of legit are different, and your logic is circular. By my definition, it's not legit if it is not possible, even theoretically, for 100% to survive, since 100% certainly pay tuition. And any system that does not have a rotation spot ready and waiting for every student who begins the program is not legit. PERIOD!!!!
If you say so 🙂 To me it's legal business but an improper one i.e. giving admissions knowing 50% or more fail.
Well, yeah, obviously it's a legal business, since it hasn't been shut down. So is payday lending. Also not legit, since it preys on the weak and vulnerable. By the way, what's the difference to you between not legit and improper, since it sounds like way are saying the same thing? 😎
Nope, they are boned. The students are predominantly American (with, I think, some Canadians mixed in), and the schools are set up to allow their students to qualify for licensing in the US or Canada, as appropriate. I am not aware of any foreign countries, particularly the schools' host countries, that take their graduates.
We are saying same thing but using different terminology 🙂 For me legit means legitimate or legal. Same goes with my backyard school CNU 🙂
Yup
They're driving for Uber now.
what about those flunked out of MD and DO?
They drive for Lyft
No, there's still a difference. Your options for clinical rotation sites will be different, plus a school with a larger endowment may have nicer facilities. Also, if you finish at the bottom of your class at Harvard, you will still be able to get a good residency spot (not so true of Drexel).
Ya think??? 😎
unless you have parents willing to pay and prestige matters to them more than checkbook 🙂
Well, you have to consider what goes into the rankings. T20 medical schools are not actually better at teaching medicine than other schools by virtue of their ranking. The research rankings, which most people follow, are hella focused on research funding, publications, etc. So if you want to go into research, then that's where the benefit of a T20 comes in. Otherwise, I don't think it really makes a difference. Especially in primary care, where most T20 schools are not ranked well (aside from like UCSF, UCLA, UWash, UMich). And then there's the fact that the T20 is constantly in flux. Like think about how quickly NYU just jumped to the T5 after paying for tuition. Is NYU actually that much better of a school that quickly or do the rankings just really suck? lol
Eh I still stick by what I said. Being at a big name school will absolutely help you get into other big name residencies, but that's a very circular argument that requires your definition of success to be "going to a big name school". Like I said, this is helpful for academic medicine and being at these institutions will help for research...or maybe a *slight* advantage if you're applying into a super duper competitive residency. But other than that, it just really doesn't make much of a difference. Like my partner went to a T3 school for medical school and chose to do family medicine for residency. Her program is packed with people from all sorts of non-prestiguous programs. Her pedigree didn't really matter at all for her residency.
