Possible to get into t20 mdphd without pubs?

[deleted1193855]

I have strong research but mostly focus on leadership/ service, with productivity in research but no pubs. Has anyone here gotten into a t10-20 mstpvw no pubs?

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[GoSpursGo]

My initial response to your question is "possible, but improbable." While research and pubs are not required to get into med school, if you're going to ostensibly pursue a career as a physician scientist and you want to start your career at a pre-eminent research powerhouse, you need to be highly qualified for both the MD and the PhD. I have two questions:

1) If you focus on leadership/service, then why do you want a PhD?
2) How do you define "productivity in research" if not by pubs?

 

[deleted1193855]

My initial response to your question is "possible, but improbable." While research and pubs are not required to get into med school, if you're going to ostensibly pursue a career as a physician scientist and you want to start your career at a pre-eminent research powerhouse, you need to be highly qualified for both the MD and the PhD. I have two questions:

1) If you focus on leadership/service, then why do you want a PhD?
2) How do you define "productivity in research" if not by pubs?

productivity i was thinking posters, grants, conferences, strong lor, independent projects , etc
mostly because i enjoy doing research as well and want to go into academic medicine, mdphd would give a big advantage i feel

 

[deleted1193855]

My initial response to your question is "possible, but improbable." While research and pubs are not required to get into med school, if you're going to ostensibly pursue a career as a physician scientist and you want to start your career at a pre-eminent research powerhouse, you need to be highly qualified for both the MD and the PhD. I have two questions:

1) If you focus on leadership/service, then why do you want a PhD?
2) How do you define "productivity in research" if not by pubs?

i feel like pubs are very luck dependent and based on lab but idk if they take that into account. i do have 4 international level posters so hoping that can compensate though

 

[GoSpursGo]

productivity i was thinking posters, grants, conferences, strong lor, independent projects , etc
mostly because i enjoy doing research as well and want to go into academic medicine, mdphd would give a big advantage i feel

It's great that you enjoy research and want to go into academics... but do you really want to run your own lab? If you do, great, go for it--but you don't need a PhD to go into academics, nor do you NEED a PhD to run a lab. I'm a physician scientist with "just" an MD and I don't think it's held me back.

i feel like pubs are very luck dependent and based on lab but idk if they take that into account. i do have 4 international level posters so hoping that can compensate though

If you have 4 international posters, why haven't they been published yet?

Overall, I agree with you that it sounds like you've been productive and could potentially be competitive without a manuscript, but after 4 posters it really seems like you should have something publishable by now.

 

[deleted1193855]

The only T20 that might not "require" pubs is U Washington, but they look for strong service as well as mission fit, with a heavy regional bias. A friend got in there from OOS; his GPA and MCAT weren't stellar, but he had tons of service with his ethnic community, which is underserved in Washington.

i dont think any schools require pubs ngl

 

[eteshoe]

productivity i was thinking posters, grants, conferences, strong lor, independent projects , etc
mostly because i enjoy doing research as well and want to go into academic medicine, mdphd would give a big advantage i feel

That may not be a strong enough reason to undergo 8-9 years of training prior to residency +/- fellowship (another 3-7 years).

But to answer your question it's going to depend on where you are. If you're not taking any gap years, it's typically not expected but if you took 2 years off as a postbac/tech/etc then some publishable unit may be expected.

 

[deleted1193855]

That may not be a strong enough reason to undergo 8-9 years of training prior to residency +/- fellowship (another 3-7 years).

But to answer your question it's going to depend on where you are. If you're not taking any gap years, it's typically not expected but if you took 2 years off as a postbac/tech/etc then some publishable unit may be expected.

im not going for mdphd, i do have ambitions of starting wet lab but ill just do more research or fellowship after rez