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Taking a summer science course at cheaper school

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Hi, I have been reading about the subject and Ive seen many contradictory answers. I would like to get my physics requirements out the way since I don't have anything else to do this summer. If I take it at my local 4 year state school (online) it will cost about $1200 per class. If I take it an my current private school it is $5000 per class. Of course Id rather save the money, but not if it will be looked upon poorly by med schools. Any thoughts?
 

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ask them if taking the online physics class will show up on the transcript as an "online" course
if not, i say go right ahead

one thing i should make you aware about is that
if you take this class at another institution, you're gonna have to send a separate transcript to the application services. so two transcripts in total
might or might not cause a delay in processing of your application
 

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ask them if taking the online physics class will show up on the transcript as an "online" course
if not, i say go right ahead

one thing i should make you aware about is that
if you take this class at another institution, you're gonna have to send a separate transcript to the application services. so two transcripts in total
might or might not cause a delay in processing of your application

With this pandemic I do not think online classes or taking physics in the summer at a different school is an issue.

However, I do want to clear up the myth that if transcript does not say online, then a student's secret is safe. Schools do not simply use a transcript to verify course requirements, including prohibitions for online, have been met and they do so after acceptance but prior to matriculation.

1) Schools only see the courses you enter on AMCAS when they are considering your application for admission. AMCAS does not verify online or do they do anything to check for prerequisites which is a school specific function.

2) Official transcripts are required be sent directly to the school when you are accepted but are not the only way that courses are checked during post-admission/pre-matriculation phase.

3) During a school's "due diligence" of an acceptee they will frequently use the National Student Clearing House (NSCH), which has agreement with AAMC/AMCAS a few years ago. This organization has the largest and most update database on official college course catalogs and other registration material now dating back about 25 years, a large fraction of which note course section number that may indicate if a class was online or not

4) Additionally, schools may contact UG registrar for it's pre-matriculants to check on courses including if any sections were online or not.

5) Schools also get "audited" for re-accreditation for LCME and they have spot checked students from admission to current (as sample the school is adhering to its accreditation standards. This has on rare occasions come up with issues on now matriculated students

6) why is this all important? Between attesting/signing/agreeing to AMCAS application, secondary application, acceptance agreements, and matriculation agreements, applicants/acceptees/matriculants have agreed to follow schools policies/student handbook/published requirements. If you are found anytime after acceptance, up through your earning a degree, to have not be accurate in this information, you could open yourself to an ethical violation. This could have your acceptance rescinded even if you are an MS3/MS4. While these actions at that point are exceedingly rare, it isnt the probability of the risk but the impact of the risk . You could have your acceptance rescinded, be removed from school, and you would have no legal recourse as a full Federal Appeals court has ruled.

In short, it isnt worth the risk. Check the MSAR which lists in its prerequisite grid if a school accepts online coursework
 
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With this pandemic I do not think online classes or taking physics in the summer at a different school is an issue.

However, I do want to clear up the myth that if transcript does not say online, then a student's secret is safe. Schools do not simply use a transcript to verify course requirements, including prohibitions for online, have been met and they do so after acceptance but prior to matriculation.

1) Schools only see the courses you enter on AMCAS when they are considering your application for admission. AMCAS does not verify online or do they do anything to check for prerequisites which is a school specific function.

2) Official transcripts are required be sent directly to the school when you are accepted but are not the only way that courses are checked during post-admission/pre-matriculation phase.

3) During a school's "due diligence" of an acceptee they will frequently use the National Student Clearing House (NSCH), which has agreement with AAMC/AMCAS a few years ago. This organization has the largest and most update database on official college course catalogs and other registration material now dating back about 25 years, a large fraction of which note course section number that may indicate if a class was online or not

4) Additionally, schools may contact UG registrar for it's pre-matriculants to check on courses including if any sections were online or not.

5) Schools also get "audited" for re-accreditation for LCME and they have spot checked students from admission to current (as sample the school is adhering to its accreditation standards. This has on rare occasions come up with issues on now matriculated students

6) why is this all important? Between attesting/signing/agreeing to AMCAS application, secondary application, acceptance agreements, and matriculation agreements, applicants/acceptees/matriculants have agreed to follow schools policies/student handbook/published requirements. If you are found anytime after acceptance, up through your earning a degree, to have not be accurate in this information, you could open yourself to an ethical violation. This could have your acceptance rescinded even if you are an MS3/MS4. While these actions at that point are exceedingly rare, it isnt the probability of the risk but the impact of the risk . You could have your acceptance rescinded, be removed from school, and you would have no legal recourse as a full Federal Appeals court has ruled.

In short, it isnt worth the risk. Check the MSAR which lists in its prerequisite grid if a school accepts online coursework
OP -- bottom line -- this summer, due to the circumstances, online is probably okay since everything is online, whether or not it was originally scheduled to be. No school expects you to put your life on hold during this time, particularly since they themselves have transitioned to online rather than suspending operations.

Even so, the best course is to do what works for you now, and to then check with each school when you apply to see if an online physics prereq class at an away 4 years institution during the summer of 2020 is an issue for them. @gonnif makes excellent points, and given the small risk but potentially devastating consequences, a risk-reward analysis dictates that you never lie about or misrepresent to the schools anything you are putting in an application.
 

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OP -- bottom line -- this summer, due to the circumstances, online is probably okay since everything is online, whether or not it was originally scheduled to be. No school expects you to put your life on hold during this time, particularly since they themselves have transitioned to online rather than suspending operations.

Even so, the best course is to do what works for you now, and to then check with each school when you apply to see if an online physics prereq class at an away 4 years institution during the summer of 2020 is an issue for them. @gonnif makes excellent points, and given the small risk but potentially devastating consequences, a risk-reward analysis dictates that you never lie about or misrepresent to the schools anything you are putting in an application.

Which is why I started my post with
With this pandemic I do not think online classes or taking physics in the summer at a different school is an issue.
I just dislike the persistent myth that if you transcripts dont say online, no one will ever know
 
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Hello. So I decided to get a head start on my post bac classes by taking some this summer. Currently I am taking Gen Chem II and Bio I (just lecture). I just took Gen Chem I and got an A-. Although I am taking my courses online because of the pandemic, I took a look and my transcript dose not say I took them online. As long as get good grades in the rest of my summer courses, is this okay? I wouldn't try to rush through these courses but since I want to apply for medical schools by next summer this is the only way I could do. These 3 courses (Gen Chem I and II, Bio I) are the only classes I will be taking over the summer. I plan on taking the rest of my post bac classes during regular academic semesters (fall and spring). Any insights to this would be very much appreciated.

I wrote just a post or two above why the idea that if it doesnt say online on the transcript, the school will never know is a persistent myth
Taking a summer science course at cheaper school

But as I said before taking online courses this year shouldnt be an issue due to the pandemic. Avoid taking more that 1 or 2 total as summer classes
 
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