It's not just colon anymore. We had a signet ring gastric CA last week that there just weren't many lymph nodes on. I didn't gross it originally, but there were 6 total, and 2 were positive. Thus, it's confirmed metastatic. SUrgeon got upset because she "Did a D2 lymphadenectomy!" and thought there should be at least 15 lymph nodes. Where do they get these numbers? I feel like they are from legitimately conducted studies in the past, but how do you know how many lymph nodes there should be? I went through this thing with basically a fine tooth comb, and any lymph node that was 1mm or larger I found. Still, I only found 7 more (4 of these positive, but at this point does it matter?) As our attending said, he already has metastatic disease.
Surgeons apparently just cannot grasp the concept that # of lymph nodes vary from pt to pt. There are some colons where they pop out easily, and others where you find one or two nodes that are over 1mm. I have done a lot of lymph node hunting in my life (PSF and residency), have probably cumulatively spent several days of my life looking for colon lymph nodes, which is several days more than surgeons have done. I think I know of what I speak of. Then some *****s come out with studies that show if you submit all the fat you will find more nodes. Not really! Every time I have had to go back to colons at most I find one or two more really tiny nodes.
I wish someone would do a study that proved that if you spent a significant, careful amount of time looking for nodes in a colon and didn't find the popularly accepted number of 8-12 per segment that searching for more was a useless exercise. Unfortunately you CAN'T do that study because many residents don't know how to correctly look for nodes. But a properly designed study should show that in every case of colon cancer where the original gross only found 6 nodes or so with careful sampling, that finding additional nodes will NOT change the stage. Even if you find more, they will be tiny nodes and will be negative.
For example: My record node harvest in a colon was 100 in a right hemicolectomy. THe patient had TB. It was insane. I stopped counting at 100, and only went that far out of sheer morbid curiosity. BUt I have had low anterior resections where there was a good amount of fat and only TWO lymph nodes. ANd the entire fat was submitted! Shut up surgeon!