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I am a 3rd year medical student who loves pathology.

Tell me something good about the future of this career. Tell me there are some happy pathologists out there. Anyone?
 
I am a 3rd year medical student who loves pathology.

Tell me something good about the future of this career. Tell me there are some happy pathologists out there. Anyone?

I get free lunch.

How is that for good?
 
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I'm a forensic pathologist and I really enjoy my job.
 
I think its great to develop your love of pathology, but in terms of flexibility career satisfaction, I'm thinking its better to a path-savvy clinician. Pathology is a service provided to clinicians and your reminded of it everyday. We're pretty much at the bottom of the barrel in many ways.
 
Once you complete residency and a few fellowships, you have a chance to become jr. faculty and earn 75k per year. That's nearly as much as some entry level nurses make given you will be working 50-60 hours per week as jr. faculty.
 
I love my job, earn at the top 10% of the MGMA salary estimations, and did not do a fellowship. 4 years of AP/CP training was enough (for me) to land a great job in a great location. I love what I do and make plenty of money doing it. Things may change but right now life is good.
 
I love my job, earn at the top 10% of the MGMA salary estimations, and did not do a fellowship. 4 years of AP/CP training was enough (for me) to land a great job in a great location. I love what I do and make plenty of money doing it. Things may change but right now life is good.

What's the top ten percent of mgma
 
I am NOT at the bottom of anyones barrel.
The clinicians respect me as a valuable member of the team. I stay involved in the clinical decisions and provide an insight that is unique and exclusive to my role as a diagnostic PATHOLOGIST.
I take pride in my role and make sure that it is recognized and respected by contributing to patient care and by being involved as an active member of the medical staff.
 
I can't find a link that doesn't require payment.

What I have is from 2010:

AP/CP: Mean = $377,831, STD Dev: $185,073, 25th %: % $254,587, Median: $347,958,
75%: $438,374, 90th %: $612,081.

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I am a 3rd year medical student who loves pathology.

Tell me something good about the future of this career. Tell me there are some happy pathologists out there. Anyone?
Quite simply, no. Don't do it! You've been warned
 
Do it (pathology) if you feel passionate about it and have a bit of business sense. There are great opportunities out there but you can't expect them to be handed to you. There is a sense of entitlement on this forum that is a bit ridiculous. You have to be assertive and confident to get the great positions that are available. I wouldn't hire the people that bitch and moan about the job market without seeing something unique that they can actually bring to the table. It has less to do with your diagnostic skills and more to do with your interpersonal skills (although you better be competent). This isn't much different than any other field of medicine. Good positions are available for the right people, others will be exploited in any field of medicine.
 
Pathology has the hottest trainees. True fact.:meanie:
 
Sorry, I was wrong, I don't earn at the top 10th percentile.
I am three years out of residency and I take home a salary that is right in the middle of the 75th and 90th percentile (from 2010, you figure it out).
I'm not complaining (and love what I do), pathology kicks ass and has provided me with opportunities that I wouldn't have had without the rigorous training I've endured to get to this point in my life.
If you have worked in low wage menial jobs throughout your life you can better appreciate the advantages provided by being an MD in a highly desirable subspecialty (whether you recognize it or not). Most fields of medicine will exploit you if you don't have a strong sense of what you can bring to the table. Medicine is business, if you don't recognize that then you will struggle in any field of medicine that you pursue.
 
I like my job. I make one std dev below the mean as described above but I work for the gov't. Half a days work for a half a days pay...

True, pathologists are often viewed as "not really doctors" but then a lot of times in a medical center the clinicians are looking to you for the answer and that part is enjoyable. Not reimburseable I guess but enjoyable.
 
I love my job - dermpath and general path. I don't make huge money yet, but am on the road to make partner. My days are filled with interesting cases, I have good rapport with the clinicians, and I'm very comfortable. I can't say everyone has this experience, but I wouldn't change a thing for me.
 
I get free hot lunch.

How is that for good?

You should really look up "hot lunch" on urban dictionary.

But I don't judge what you're into bro. To each his own.

😱
 
The work is mentally stimulating and often crucial to patient care. Pathologic diagnoses are one of the most cost-effective in medicine. You can provide a lot of value.

As reimbursment falls, that value will only increase relative to what you'll earn. If you can derive professional satisfaction from this, all the better.
 
You should really look up "hot lunch" on urban dictionary.

But I don't judge what you're into bro. To each his own.

😱

Eewwwwwwwwww. Who thinks that up.

I mean free lunch.
 
Humpy is dead on. Path is about a whole lot more than sitting behind a scope in a dark basement dictating cases. You must be visible and have a presence among the medical staff. Everyone in our group is highly socially intelligent and capable of brining in new clients. No one is a stereotypical awkward pathologist.
 
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These threads are a bit silly and frustrating. Being in Canada, I've learned a little about the history of pathology up here. Apparently in the not distant past salaries were awful and very few Canadian went into path, so there were tons of FMGs practicing path here. At some point some pretty serious patient care errors occurred, there was a stink, salaries went way up, and now most programs fill most of their spots with Canadians. I wonder if something similar may ultimately have to happen in the US for the medical field to recognize the importance of pathologists...
 
These threads are a bit silly and frustrating. Being in Canada, I've learned a little about the history of pathology up here. Apparently in the not distant past salaries were awful and very few Canadian went into path, so there were tons of FMGs practicing path here. At some point some pretty serious patient care errors occurred, there was a stink, salaries went way up, and now most programs fill most of their spots with Canadians. I wonder if something similar may ultimately have to happen in the US for the medical field to recognize the importance of pathologists...

This is why my perspective is very critical of pathology. Its a huge part of medicine, the biggest part of diagnosis, and still the field cannot get its act together to show its true worth, nor evolve to provide the most value.

It was less than 10 years ago that pathologists were paid less than family doctors. Naturally, and logically, no Canadian graduates went into the field.

Since the field is invisible, and is seen to be "lab", "automatic" and "not really medicine", the health authorities were fine just getting some foreign docs, with no attention paid to their skill, qualifications, or ethics.

Of course, this move eventually resulted in a barrage of critical medical errors.

Pathologists then had their incomes increased drastically, but there are still issues with autonomy; namely they are mostly salaried hospital employees, which is still a hugely undesirable outcome for most medical students interested in diagnostic fields.

Again, despite the income hike, path is still the least popular field in CaRMS. It still has to half fill with IMGs, and a scary proportion of these IMGs are frankly incompetent.

All this being said, students interested in path are probably also interested in rads, and given the above(money, autonomy, a good reputation, a strong lobby, and the fact that your resident peers are up to standards), there is no reason other than backing up, or extreme love of the subject matter, that a student should ever choose path over rads.
 
Virtually all physicians are headed toward hospital employment. The myth of the doctor shortage is being put out there to insure this outcome. I wouldnt recommend a career in medicine to anyone. Other specialities are going to have the same fate as pathology It's just a matter of time.

Kaiser and others will have all the power.
 
When you end training you will be in the peak 2020 pathologist shortage. Of course it won't actually exist, but you will end training in it. Of course there has been a pathologist shortage for 20+ years now....per academics/professional organizations. Yet every year quality candidates struggle/beg for employment.
 
There is a massive looming shortage of pathologists. Just ask the CAP Resident's Forum, CAP administration, and the ASCP. You're entering the golden age.
 
I used to hear the same lines about all the pathologists nearing retirement. That was in the 90s and I am still waiting....... Not only did they refuse to retire but they are living large on the payouts they got when they threw ALL future generations under the bus by selling out. This field is toast. No matter how much of an entrepreneur you are, you have little chance of being anything more than a slave to some entity.

I love how CAP, ASCP and others are spewing out garbage about how the Affordable Care Act is gonna cause even more of a shortage. Yea right.
 
Not only did they refuse to retire but they are living large on the payouts they got when they threw ALL future generations under the bus by selling out.

You really need to let that go. It is what any reasonable person would do.

If you are 65 and given the option of taking 2.5 million at the age of 65 to help set up your spouse and kids, wouldn't you take it? It is a no brainer to me. They didn't throw anyone under the bus.
 
You really need to let that go. It is what any reasonable person would do.

If you are 65 and given the option of taking 2.5 million at the age of 65 to help set up your spouse and kids, wouldn't you take it? It is a no brainer to me. They didn't throw anyone under the bus.

I agree with you.

Your field still had an opportunity to thrive, even with the corporate influence. It's just that your leaders and your practitioners chose not to go in that direction.

Your field is a commodity. Nobody cares if the pathologist reading the glass is competently trained or intellgent, or the complete opposite, as long as they're board certified.

What would change the system is if the lab corps shared primary liability for any misdiagnoses. Then they'd have a big incentive to ensure that only good people are employed. But this will never happen.
 
You really need to let that go. It is what any reasonable person would do.

If you are 65 and given the option of taking 2.5 million at the age of 65 to help set up your spouse and kids, wouldn't you take it? It is a no brainer to me. They didn't throw anyone under the bus.

I will let that go when you let go of your hatred for pathologists who work for in-office labs.....

Why exactly are in-office paths villified when the old greedy SOBS did more to damage this field than anyone.?
 
I agree with you.

Your field still had an opportunity to thrive, even with the corporate influence. It's just that your leaders and your practitioners chose not to go in that direction.

Your field is a commodity. Nobody cares if the pathologist reading the glass is competently trained or intellgent, or the complete opposite, as long as they're board certified.

What would change the system is if the lab corps shared primary liability for any misdiagnoses. Then they'd have a big incentive to ensure that only good people are employed. But this will never happen.

If that's true, then that's sad. If I were a surgeon about to cut into a living human being, I'd want to be confident that my working diagnosis comes from a pathologist whose diagnostic skills I trust.
 
If that's true, then that's sad. If I were a surgeon about to cut into a living human being, I'd want to be confident that my working diagnosis comes from a pathologist whose diagnostic skills I trust.

For the sake of discussion, if you were a surgeon and didn't fully trust your pathologist, what would you do about it? Keep in mind that many surgeons are now employees.
 
For the sake of discussion, if you were a surgeon and didn't fully trust your pathologist, what would you do about it? Keep in mind that many surgeons are now employees.

Fair point. I'll try to answer honestly. If I truly didn't trust a specific pathologist, I'd have to probably take it to my chief of surgery, discuss with him/her and my colleagues, and see how others felt. If there was a consensus, I'd have to bring it to that pathologist's boss, being honest about my concerns for patient care. Beyond that, I don't know how it would play out. Your point is well taken.
 
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