Temple University or Umdnj-njms???

[Trinichick]

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Quick question. I can't decide. Njms or Temple 😕

 

[jsnuka]

I don't know about Temple, but what led you to apply to each of those schools in the first place?

My gut would say Temple givne the problems UMDNJ is having now although it should get better in the future.

 

[SkylineMD]

Location wise both are comparable. The problems UMDNJ is having has no bearing on the schools there. Why don't you tour the schools while classes are still in session and decide after that?

 

[Trinichick]

The thing is... Temple is closer to home ( I'm married), but NJMS is 1/2 the price of Temple. I liked both schools equally on interview and 2nd look. And since I got the shaft from my state school .... It seems though that whenever I mention NJMS to my co-workers ( physicians) they don't seem to know what school I'm talking about. 😕

 

[jsnuka]

Location wise both are comparable. The problems UMDNJ is having has no bearing on the schools there. Why don't you tour the schools while classes are still in session and decide after that?

You must be one of the any press is good press people.

Seriously, I would look at Temple.

There is a lot of people movement at UMDNJ-NJMS.

Does it DIRECTLY affect your class room situation?

Probably not?

More to the point, do you want to be in school all day?

Is the overall reputation of your school important to you?

If so, then head to Temple.

Try to find someone at NJMS who will give you the REAL DEAL.

 

[jsnuka]

The thing is... Temple is closer to home ( I'm married), but NJMS is 1/2 the price of Temple. I liked both schools equally on interview and 2nd look. And since I got the shaft from my state school .... It seems though that whenever I mention NJMS to my co-workers ( physicians) they don't seem to know what school I'm talking about. 😕

It very well could be that they know what you are talking about, but are doing there best to steer you away from problems.

 

[USArmyDoc]

I didn't know NMJS was look down upon so much. I have heard about the problems but still.....

 

[Trinichick]

It very well could be that they know what you are talking about, but are doing there best to steer you away from problems.

Thanks Jsnuka. The general consensus at work seems to be that Temple is a good school. It's just so damn expensive. I did not know that NJMS's reputation was shady 🙁 and the only people who know anything about the school are the students who call me tyring to encourage me to come there, so they're not going to give me the real deal.
It's just that the thought of owing so much money afterwards is making me ill...

 

[jsnuka]

Thanks Jsnuka. The general consensus at work seems to be that Temple is a good school. It's just so damn expensive. I did not know that NJMS's reputation was shady 🙁 and the only people who know anything about the school are the students who call me tyring to encourage me to come there, so they're not going to give me the real deal.
It's just that the thought of owing so much money afterwards is making me ill...

You do realize that it is kind of like "monopoly money"...your student loans. Depending upon what you decide to specialize in and where you decide to practice you could take 3-5 years and have that "debt" paid off by someone other than you.

Don't let money completely deter you. It will get paid at some point, by someone....most likely not by you directly.

 

[ussdfiant]

I say Temple.

 

[peace84]

I'd say go to NJMS....save the money if you can.

 

[Trinichick]

I say Temple.

What do/don't you like about Temple? No BS. Also would one of these schools be better than the other when it comes to getting a residency?

 

[drguy22]

perhaps the match list at NJMS would speak of its reputation...u may look at this years and previous years.

https://admin-njms.umdnj.edu/StudentAffairs/MatchResults.aspx?tabid=19

 

[beponychick]

If I was in your position, I would chose NJMS in a heartbeat, ESPECIALLY since tuition is so much cheaper. Seriously, you will get an amazing education at NJMS and the reputation of Temple is not that much better (if better at all) than NJMS. Save your money.

 

[NehsNairb]

The whole insurance scandal at NJMS really only affects the hospital. It doesn't affect the medical students or quality of medication education. Temple has bad press too when they were placed on probation by the LCME a couple years ago. Since then, they've fixed the problem. I understand your concern is matching into a good residency and Temple might have better name recognition among other physicians. But whatever that advantage might afford you during the match process, it will be marginal at best. If that small advantage gives you a piece of mind and you're willing to pay twice the tuition for it, then go to Temple. But I say it's not worth it. If it was a top 20 school vs. NJMS, then the story is different.

 

[jsnuka]

A little insight on the NJMS controversy.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=3673224#post3673224

Do an archive search on http://www.nj.com too.

In short, it was/is planned to have NJMS become a part of the Touro University system.

Follow along with the story and fill in the blanks for yourself. Mind you, a sitting Governor had to resign because he did not sign off on it. Yet, Kushner's folx are still building the Dorm on top of the parking deck there on campus.


Add it up!!!!

 

[Tiki]

A little insight on the NJMS controversy.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=3673224#post3673224

Do an archive search on http://www.nj.com too.

In short, it was/is planned to have NJMS become a part of the Touro University system.

Follow along with the story and fill in the blanks for yourself. Mind you, a sitting Governor had to resign because he did not sign off on it. Yet, Kushner's folx are still building the Dorm on top of the parking deck there on campus.


Add it up!!!!

Umm...NO. Touro is going to be a separate medical school from the UMDNJ system, it is NOT going to be part of NJMS. The UMDNJ system is against Touro coming to NJ.

I would go to NJMS over Temple. The problems that are going on with UMDNJ will not affect your education.

 

[SkylineMD]

From what I know, the Touro college system is an Israel based company/school/organization that has created 2 osteopathic schools in the west coast. They now are pushing to get an allopathic school in northern NJ that would not be a part of the UMDNJ system. UMDNJ had plans to expand out their own medical school to accommodate more students however that notion was shot down. So Touro is NOT part of NJMS nor UMDNJ and will be a stand alone school

Apparently they are not allowed to have their students go to any schools that NJMS students rotate through. Something about them being mandated to not interfere with the clinical education of current medical students

 

[drguy22]

From what I know, the Touro college system is an Israel based company/school/organization that has created 2 osteopathic schools in the west coast. They now are pushing to get an allopathic school in northern NJ that would not be a part of the UMDNJ system. UMDNJ had plans to expand out their own medical school to accommodate more students however that notion was shot down. So Touro is NOT part of NJMS nor UMDNJ and will be a stand alone school

Apparently they are not allowed to have their students go to any schools that NJMS students rotate through. Something about them being mandated to not interfere with the clinical education of current medical students

lol..NJMS would never be a part of Touro...sorry..its just not happening..

 

[SkylineMD]

lol..NJMS would never be a part of Touro...sorry..its just not happening..

i never suggested that it would

 

[BlondeCookie]

hmmmm. tough call. At least, with Temple you have the Owls, Philly, the Sixers, the Phillies... you'll never be bored. OK, all kidding aside, both are really good programs.

Edit - oh yeah, how could I forget. The Eagles! What I wouldn't do for a Philly cheesteak,mmmm right now.

 

[Tiki]

From what I know, the Touro college system is an Israel based company/school/organization that has created 2 osteopathic schools in the west coast. They now are pushing to get an allopathic school in northern NJ that would not be a part of the UMDNJ system. UMDNJ had plans to expand out their own medical school to accommodate more students however that notion was shot down. So Touro is NOT part of NJMS nor UMDNJ and will be a stand alone school

Apparently they are not allowed to have their students go to any schools that NJMS students rotate through. Something about them being mandated to not interfere with the clinical education of current medical students

UMDNJ expanding has not been shot down. I'm a student at RWJ-Camden and we are expanding to a stand alone medical school separate from RWJMS-Piscataway/NB starting in 2008.

Anyway, back on topic. Both schools are fine. Work hard, and you'll be successful at either one.

 

[SkylineMD]

UMDNJ expanding has not been shot down. I'm a student at RWJ-Camden and we are expanding to a stand alone medical school separate from RWJMS-Piscataway/NB starting in 2008.

Anyway, back on topic. Both schools are fine. Work hard, and you'll be successful at either one.

I was referring to the NJMS organization to expand their student capacity up from the 170-180 that it is so the classes are bigger. The facilities would also then have been expanded to account for the increase in size. I wasn't talking about a separate UMDNJ school

 

[Trinichick]

Well I figured I'd look at the housing options in Philly. The prices are outrageous. At least NJMS is supposed to have housing ready for the start of school. Where do people live that go to Temple?? And how do they afford it?? NJMS is starting to look a little more attractive....

 

[lushmd]

Personally, I (a Temple Med student who admittedly knows nothing about NJMS) would go with the cheaper school. Med School is what you make of it...if you do well, you can get the residency of your choice regardless of which school you attend. Unless you would really be so much happier at Temple than NJMS, go with NJMS.

Re Temple housing, many first years live in Andorra, Roxborough/Manayunk, East Falls, or Presidential City. If you don't/won't have a car, other options include the Art Museum area (can be pricey) and West Philly (near Penn's campus). Hosuing isn't cheap, but can be done reasonably with a roommate. The lack of decent housing within walking distance of campus is definitely one negative aspect about Temple.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[4 Ever]

The society hill condo prices in the areas around NJMS range anywhere from 550-800ish (depending on the size of rooms and whether you get your own bathroom or not). They are ideally located since they are walking distance from the school and IMO peaceful. Some come with garages and driveways while others have designated parking spaces.

There are also great condos/apartments in the portugese area of the city which have great prices as well but end up requiring a 10-15minute commute which is mostly due to traffic.

A handful of people also live in bloomfield and drive 15min into school but I don't recall the pricing of these either

Regarding the dorms I have been hearing mixed opinions of its completion date. They are assurring everyone that they will be ready by the start of the semester but I've heard rumors that they may not open until october which means students may need to scramble around for the 1-2months until they can move in. I don't know which rumor to believe because the construction progress seems too iffy to judge. With less than 3months left for it to open, they have quite a bit to get done. Another thing that noone knows is the pricing of the various apartments (it's supposed to be determined when the board meets to approve it). But even if it doesn't open on time, there are plenty of places in the area and housing day will answer a lot of those questions if you decide to go to NJMS

 

[jsnuka]

I would not let the availability of dorms be the determining in factor in whether or not I went to school some place. The residence halls at UMDNJ-NJMS will not be done this year anyway, certainly not for the start of the school year.

Look at the curriculum differences.

Talk to upperclassmen or have the student affairs office have an upperclassmen to talk with you about stuff. A current 1st year would be good.

 

[lushmd]

So, what did you choose?

 

[jsnuka]

It just keeps getting better on the Newark campus.

Read the article. Notice how it says that the schools may lose their accreditation.

So much for the scandals not affecting the academic side of things.

as if UMDNJ needed more bad publicity...

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1147792509253540.xml?starledger?ntop&coll=1

 

[beponychick]

It just keeps getting better on the Newark campus.

Read the article. Notice how it says that the schools may lose their accreditation.

So much for the scandals not affecting the academic side of things.

yikes, that is so sad. I really hope it doesnt take away from the med school though, although of course all bad publicity does. I agree, they really dont need anything of this sort to happen right now. 🙁

 

[Tiki]

It just keeps getting better on the Newark campus.

Read the article. Notice how it says that the schools may lose their accreditation.

So much for the scandals not affecting the academic side of things.

What goes on with the dental school has no bearing on the medical school. The medical schools are not going to lose their accreditation.

I do have to say that I'm really glad I went to RWJMS instead of NJMS. Nothing bad has turned up in NB so far. Hopefully it stays that way. 🙂

 

[jsnuka]

Read the article and pay close attention to the "schools may lose accreditation" part. 😉

 

[Tiki]

Read the article and pay close attention to the "schools may lose accreditation" part. 😉

I read the article. Did you? 😉

The investigation at the dental school, though, marks the first problems involving the academic side of the sprawling public institution.

The cheating scandal could well affect UMDNJ's accreditation, which is already in question because of concerns over the university's finances. UMDNJ is working without certified financial statements for 2005. All three of the university's medical schools also are operating without permanent deans.

UMDNJ's full accreditation renewal from the Middle States Commission on Higher Education -- a key accrediting agency -- is expected to be deferred until the second half of the year.

The dental school is awaiting a final reaccreditation vote from the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation, which is expected in July. Dental schools come up for reaccreditation every seven years.

When they say that the cheating scandal could affect UMDNJ's accreditation, they are talking about the dental school, not the medical school. The university deferring the Middle states accreditation renewal does not mean that they are going to lose accreditation. The dental school's problems have no bearing on LCME accreditation of the medical schools.

 

[thesauce]

Read the article and pay close attention to the "schools may lose accreditation" part. 😉

What they're saying makes no sense. It's not the same accreditation board that oversees the medical and dental school. Even if it was, they aren't going to take accreditation away from UMDNJ medical schools. These are the only medical schools in New Jersey! There aren't enough doctors as it is. What other options do they have?

My classmates and I are very happy at NJMS. The 4th years match list was incredible and it shows that in the midst of the corruption, other schools are showing support for the us students that are working hard to become doctors.

 

[beponychick]

I am REALLY curious as to what OP's decision was! 😉

 

[jsnuka]

I read the article. Did you? 😉





When they say that the cheating scandal could affect UMDNJ's accreditation, they are talking about the dental school, not the medical school. The university deferring the Middle states accreditation renewal does not mean that they are going to lose accreditation. The dental school's problems have no bearing on LCME accreditation of the medical schools.

UMDNJ's acceditation means the UNIVERSITY as a whole because of the financial problems has been deferred.

The dental school has, as of right now, a new set of problems of its own.

You missed the part about Middle States, eh?

How this plays with LCME, I would figure that the medical schools would lose theirs too, b/c again it would be UNIVERSITY WIDE.

Take a look at what you puilled from the article in fact, for clarification.

I wonder what Trinichick decided to do too.

 

[Tiki]

UMDNJ's acceditation means the UNIVERSITY as a whole because of the financial problems has been deferred.

The dental school has, as of right now, a new set of problems of its own.

You missed the part about Middle States, eh?

How this plays with LCME, I would figure that the medical schools would lose theirs too, b/c again it would be UNIVERSITY WIDE.

Take a look at what you puilled from the article in fact, for clarification.

I wonder what Trinichick decided to do too.

Umm...NO, I didn't miss the part about middle states. No where does it say that UMDNJ is not going to be accredited. It says it is deferring the accreditation until the middle of the year. Do you know the meaning of the word deferred? Deferred does not mean denied.

Were you at the UMDNJ town hall meeting with Corzine and the new president? I was, and what is going on with the financial issues is not going to affect LCME accreditation of either of the medical schools.

 

[UDbiochem]

The scandals here at UMDNJ are messed up, but they really only involve a few people. The newspapers blow everything up to seem like we're all corrupt. New Jersey Medical School is completely uninvolved, no more involved than RWJ. To say that RWJ is not touched by this and NJMS is.. is absurd.

The dental school is completely separate from NJMS. We're not going to lose accreditation. Various doctors from various areas of NJ all say "oh man, NJMS is an awesome school. The best students I have ever worked with came from NJMS." The dean boasts that residency directors love NJMS. The clinical education we get is amazing. Our matchlist speaks for itself.

That said, every medical school has its problems. Ours just gets publicity. Go where you feel at home. For me, that was NJMS and still is.

 

[drguy22]

The scandals here at UMDNJ are messed up, but they really only involve a few people. The newspapers blow everything up to seem like we're all corrupt. New Jersey Medical School is completely uninvolved, no more involved than RWJ. To say that RWJ is not touched by this and NJMS is.. is absurd.

The dental school is completely separate from NJMS. We're not going to lose accreditation. Various doctors from various areas of NJ all say "oh man, NJMS is an awesome school. The best students I have ever worked with came from NJMS." The dean boasts that residency directors love NJMS. The clinical education we get is amazing. Our matchlist speaks for itself.

That said, every medical school has its problems. Ours just gets publicity. Go where you feel at home. For me, that was NJMS and still is.

well said.

 

[jsnuka]

Umm...NO, I didn't miss the part about middle states. No where does it say that UMDNJ is not going to be accredited. It says it is deferring the accreditation until the middle of the year. Do you know the meaning of the word deferred? Deferred does not mean denied.

Were you at the UMDNJ town hall meeting with Corzine and the new president? I was, and what is going on with the financial issues is not going to affect LCME accreditation of either of the medical schools.

They have to do something to alleviate the fears of the student body that things will be "fine."

If a population of students decide to transfer en masse, what do you think that would do to the school right now?

If everything was "fine" that meeting would not have been necessary.

The deferral serves to give UMDNJ time to get the financials in order. Fat chance of that hapening.

Say what you want, there are problems there SERIOUS problems and don't be surprised if the "state" school suddenly becomes affiliated with TOURO.

Aren't Kushner's people building the residence hall?

 

[Tiki]

They have to do something to alleviate the fears of the student body that things will be "fine."

If a population of students decide to transfer en masse, what do you think that would do to the school right now?

If everything was "fine" that meeting would not have been necessary.

The deferral serves to give UMDNJ time to get the financials in order. Fat chance of that hapening.

Say what you want, there are problems there SERIOUS problems and don't be surprised if the "state" school suddenly becomes affiliated with TOURO.

Aren't Kushner's people building the residence hall?

I honestly don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you, since you are either a troll who needs internet attention, or you are just incredibly immature. 🙄

The meeting was necessary, because there is alot of misinformation being perpetuated by trolls like you. Let me guess, did NJMS waitlist you or reject you, so now you are trying to scare everyone away?

UMDNJ has alot of issues, I'm not denying that. But if you think any of the medical schools are going to lose accreditation, you're smoking something.

Oh, and I just thought I add this, from Middle States accreditation report:

Most Recent Commission Action:
June 22, 2005: To postpone a decision on accreditation and to request a supplemental information report, due no later than March 1, 2006, documenting: (1) efforts to address financial concerns including, but not limited to, internal financial control mechanisms, and submission of results from independent financial and management audits conducted during the 2005-06 year; and (2) full implementation by the Board of Trustees of all appropriate conflict-of-interest policies and institutional compliance with MSCHE integrity standards. A visit will follow submission of the report. The Periodic Review Report is due June 1, 2010.

 

[jsnuka]

Didn't some of the clinical departments lose accreditation a few years back?

Before your time, I know, but just to be complete about things. 😉

Amazing what it takes for folx to tlak about "their" school.

Hopefully you all have been chatting it up with the OP to aid her in her decision making process.

The facts don't lie.

 

[4 Ever]

Didn't some of the clinical departments lose accreditation a few years back?

Before your time, I know, but just to be complete about things. 😉

Amazing what it takes for folx to tlak about "their" school.

Hopefully you all have been chatting it up with the OP to aid her in her decision making process.

The facts don't lie.

Verbal reasoning doesn't seem to be a strength of yours because myself and many others on this thread who have read your linked article read the loss of accreditation in regard to NJDS. There were only two references possible to NJMS and one was vague (which you assumed applied to ALL UMDNJ schools which is a bit naive to think so) and the other states that 3 deans are currently temporary deans.

On what basis do you think the committee would revoke the accreditation of medical schools of UMDNJ? Because the NJDS students cheated on some clinical requirements? Makes perfect sense. Punish the medical schools for the actions of some dental students

 

[jsnuka]

We are going around and around here.

The financials are why accreditation will/may be lost.

Does that not affect the ENTIRE university?

Really, it is not a verbal reasoning issue more of a reading comprehension one for you all who are to blind, naive, or numb to want to see it.

TOURO is the new name of the UMDNJ system. it will not happen right away, but it will happen.

Someone independently will need to come in and supposedly straighten outthe financials for the schools.

The cheating scandal just adds more spice to the issue.

 

[jc582]

We are going around and around here.

The financials are why accreditation will/may be lost.

Does that not affect the ENTIRE university?

Really, it is not a verbal reasoning issue more of a reading comprehension one for you all who are to blind, naive, or numb to want to see it.

TOURO is the new name of the UMDNJ system. it will not happen right away, but it will happen.

Someone independently will need to come in and supposedly straighten outthe financials for the schools.

The cheating scandal just adds more spice to the issue.

I don't see where you are getting this information from.

TOURO, first of all is a Jewish Medical school that will be opening in Florham Park, NJ. http://www.touro.edu/general/news/PR-njmedicalschool.asp

It has nothing to do with NJMS obviously. I don't know where you got that from, or if you are just making it up. Do you realize how large the UMDNJ system is? TOURO can't possibly take control of it.

There is no way accreditation will be lost. The UMDNJ system presently have the only medical schools in NJ and there's supposed to be a shortage of doctors already. Yes, it does sound like there are a lot of issues, but it seems as if the administration that caused the problems have resigned already.

I don't know why you are so interested in scaring people off from attending NJMS. Yeah. It sounds like you were waitlisted or rejected and are just mad. If you have an relevant data please link to it, but please stop making up information.

 

[UDbiochem]

Really, it is not a verbal reasoning issue more of a reading comprehension one for you all who are to blind, naive, or numb to want to see it.

LOL. Troll.

 

[drguy22]

We are going around and around here.

The financials are why accreditation will/may be lost.

Does that not affect the ENTIRE university?

Really, it is not a verbal reasoning issue more of a reading comprehension one for you all who are to blind, naive, or numb to want to see it.

TOURO is the new name of the UMDNJ system. it will not happen right away, but it will happen.

Someone independently will need to come in and supposedly straighten outthe financials for the schools.

The cheating scandal just adds more spice to the issue.

It really does seem that you were waitlisted or rejected...and if this is the case, i can see why. NJMS is a great school, our match list proves it. U certainly dont belong at NJMS, and as a matter of fact, I feel very sorry for any medical school that actully accepted you.

With regards to the touro issue. its gonna have a real hard time getting clinical training considering a lot of hospitals are UMDNJ affiliated and they prolly wont get access at any of them.

but anyway u seem very ignorant and arrogant. Suck it up that u were rejected and move on with your life.

 

[jsnuka]

Interesting. Where's the gestapo?

 

[thesauce]

😕 😕 I don't get it.

 

[Trinichick]

Well I thought I had it figured out. I had decided to go to Temple. Then NJMS offered me a sweet deal....Now what do I do?? 😕