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[Zenge142]

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Probably, I dont know! Like, Clem being village would move SAR further down to me, but it isnt clearing for SAR. Just a little bit less damning kinda deal. So like A W!Clem flip would not remove SAR from my PoE, but would make me reassess them the same as the rest of my current PoE and not as my main sus

I guess I'm asking because in a world where Clem flips wolf, and they decide to kill you instead of me, since we're both PRs, I'd like to have an idea of if you'd rather yeet SAR, or if someone else would move further down the list ahead of SAR?

 

[WildZoo]

To be fair--Clem and SAR didn't seem to be working.

I am not sure that's accurate? He pulled votes off of them and onto kitz. Otherwise there are several people who ended up on kitz would would have consolidated elsewhere because of Santy's PR claim.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Are you just ignoring the Clem situation?

I'm 4 5 pages behind now and considering the validity of just ignoring them, so maybe. But I like started the Clem train yesterday, and he's in my POE, so I'm willing to listen.

 

[Clem J]

you know that claiming PR as a wolf is something you make to buy you a couple days but will always out you in the end tho... thats not a position in where you bus because the village cred is USELESS is you will be outed regarless later and you know mech clem. You know it. Thats not the play to make as a wolf

Eh I've seen it happen

And it's not super hard to rescind later and go "yeah I lied, but it lead to mafia dying so it doesn't matter" imo

 

[Santygrass]

Also, out of all the votes on Kitz, Kcalb is for sure the most bus-shaped one. Is not something I would dig further in rn, but is very likely I will not be alive when it comes the time to probably discuss that so Im leaving this here for possible help for the future

 

[WildZoo]

D2 just seems like...not the time for this tinfoil

 

[Clem J]

It is compelling tho

 

[GoSpursGo]

I am not sure that's accurate? He pulled votes off of them and onto kitz. Otherwise there are several people who ended up on kitz would would have consolidated elsewhere because of Santy's PR claim.

There was a good 15-20 minutes where he was pushing a Clem/SAR binary choice, and it didn't seem to get traction. For whatever reason, when he switched to kitz the floodgates opened up.

I reserve the right to be wrong on the exact timing, but I looked into this today and that's what I recall. moons even said something to the effect that it was spooky that nobody reacted to Santy's PR claim. Until he switched to kitz

 

[WildZoo]

Oh, and because I didn't say it yet, obviously beans is village, but we already knew that because my d1 vote always is!

 

[The Wasp]

I do think it's interesting that Wasp has been here and hasn't posted.

I got a react from Wasp so I know there's some lurking happening

I'm trying to read everything first before saying anything. Soo yeee I'm lurking haha but not maliciously.

Day Ones are so hard for me, making any list is just throwing names at a dartboard. Day two is a little easier. Feels like the grasping isn't at straws

I want to focus mainly today on Clem.

Clem being one of the people at the bottom in the Wolf column Moonster had laid out.

The Kitz Wagon was so large yesterday and at the end I figured jumping over onto it in the last 5-10 minutes would be seen as very LAMISTY so I didn't. We got one wolf so I think it worked out ok.

I can make a bigger list of names but it'll take some time to write it so it'll get posted later in this Day Cycle

And it's not super hard to rescind later and go "yeah I lied, but it lead to mafia dying so it doesn't matter" imo

Oh yeah it's been done, I did it at least twice. Though the first time I did it everyone thought I was scum 🤣

Oh and my Nephew colored this for me and it's very cute

 

[GoSpursGo]

D2 just seems like...not the time for this tinfoil

Exactly. Like, there is a 0% chance I'm voting for Santy today

 

[Santygrass]

And it's not super hard to rescind later and go "yeah I lied, but it lead to mafia dying so it doesn't matter" imo

But Im hardclaiming it. And maintaining it very strongly lol. So no this does not make sense and you should know better lowkey you are good with this kind of stuff and how you should play around claims. It is not the time to kill a PR claim

 

[samac]

I just pulled all of kitz direct mentions/reads

I know fruit has said he is trying to change his playstyle so that could be part of it.

I have a bias against his RNG voting, but I think what I saw of him seems like village fruits so far but we will see

Fruit village

I learned that yall talk fast (expected) lots of new people, a lot of early pretty hard town reads without a ton of substance. But d1 usually flies over my head anyways

Leaning v for fruit for now, somewhat v for you (I think it’s interesting how many people have already seemingly pegged you as v), zenge is pinging me some but this also reminds me of last game so likely v

Neutral sar

I haven’t liked the tone of moon and someone else (who I can’t remember the name of rn lolol) but I need to get to know the new peeps better. Maybe kcalb is pure?

I know I’m forgetting people but I just woke up haha

Fruit village, me village, zenge village
Moon wolf

Twas 7am and I simply forgot you existed

(How, idk haha) (my brain cannot collect any thoughts about your posts other than champ posting)

Will have to wait and see more. I’d want to say drunk spurs chaos even though you were drunk spurs which I think equals town? But you did effectively use the green text hahaha so yes town me thinks unless deliberately tricking me with pretty colors…

Spurs village

Hate to tell you this but I am **** at reads lmfao. These are just my initial impressions. But fruit in particular I’m taking some context from other games but I need him to post more before feeling more comfortable with towning him 100%

Also since we haven’t played together, I exclusively play on mobile so I rely a lot on memory and other peoples solving/isos so just food for thought

Fruit village

I’m trying to work on not letting biases from past games affect the current game

But I feel like your questioning and prodding feels like the v samac trying to solve and not just sh-posting

Me village

-insert multiball gif-

This is why I’m trying to not let my past biases influence too much on a game to game basis

I was just wondering if I had seen an actual w samac game yet but I don’t think so?

Man I miss my lie detection ability though that thing was GOATED

Discussion with me about me being village.
I shoulda been up her butt around here but hindsight is 20/20 and I was trying to not meta read her lol

What has Clem done to earn an actual vote from you? I feel like I haven’t seen much of him so far?

Mention of Clem, but I think important to note not a read.

Help work got busy for the first time ever and I just realized I may miss close

Yeet moon @Animal Midwife @kaydubs

Still a bit off on tone from earlier but if I have time to read more I will

Moon wolf

I find it interesting that as soon as I voted you citing tone as the reason, you put the same argument back on me

Moon

@Santygrass where is the Clem wagon???

Ty moon for the updated votes. Just earned you some village cred Unyeet moon @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

We are all…very spread. I’m getting war flashbacks

Santy has been a bit pushy for my nerves so I’m going to hop on that wagon though I was ruminating on Clem while swimming as well yeet santy @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

Apparently champs is the stakes I needed to unlock kitz effort mode why am I sitting in the parking lot typing lmao

Santy asks for a Clem wagon and she yeets Santy.
You right ain’t great for Clem.
I think the village folks seem like pure village tbh. It can be easier for a nooblet wolf in an open set up to play give the village reads than find their own push

 

[GoSpursGo]

Officially turning in my reading card of my wolf pup I guess

I'll just put this on the record -- it is a ROUGH beat that @kitzsuna has gotten yeeted based on flips in the last 10 minutes on both of her scum games.

Sorry friendo.

 

[Santygrass]

Also, out of all the votes on Kitz, Kcalb is for sure the most bus-shaped one. Is not something I would dig further in rn, but is very likely I will not be alive when it comes the time to probably discuss that so Im leaving this here for possible help for the future

Like, in the last seconds of the day Kcalb asked me where to vote and felt weird since she was staying on kitz from a while and never really pushed for it. So I can kinda see it as pressure on a packmate when stakes dont seems high since there are other wagons, and then when it switches to them in the main lead instead of being happy going along on the ride, maybe looking for a excuse to switch off, but end up comitting when it isnt provided kinda deal

 

[samac]

I'm trying to read everything first before saying anything. Soo yeee I'm lurking haha but not maliciously.

Day Ones are so hard for me, making any list is just throwing names at a dartboard. Day two is a little easier. Feels like the grasping isn't at straws

I want to focus mainly today on Clem.

Clem being one of the people at the bottom in the Wolf column Moonster had laid out.

The Kitz Wagon was so large yesterday and at the end I figured jumping over onto it in the last 5-10 minutes would be seen as very LAMISTY so I didn't. We got one wolf so I think it worked out ok.

I can make a bigger list of names but it'll take some time to write it so it'll get posted later in this Day Cycle


Oh yeah it's been done, I did it at least twice. Though the first time I did it everyone thought I was scum 🤣

Oh and my Nephew colored this for me and it's very cute

Why are your worried about the optics of your vote?

 

[WildZoo]

There was a good 15-20 minutes where he was pushing a Clem/SAR binary choice, and it didn't seem to get traction. For whatever reason, when he switched to kitz the floodgates opened up.

I reserve the right to be wrong on the exact timing, but I looked into this today and that's what I recall. moons even said something to the effect that it was spooky that nobody reacted to Santy's PR claim. Until he switched to kitz

I don't really understand why you're wasting your posts on this since you said yourself you're not pursuing it today, but the people voting for Santy still didn't react quickly, most of them stayed on his vote, I think SAR is the only one who moved and she just unvoted. It was others. If he had said everyone vote Clem, then moon and myself and probably others who ended up on kitz would likely have done so in the same rapid fashion.

 

[The Wasp]

Really don't like dying during a game of Werewolf. Town got to play the Optics game just as much as anyone else

 

[Clem J]

But Im hardclaiming it. And maintaining it very strongly lol. So no this does not make sense and you should know better lowkey you are good with this kind of stuff and how you should play around claims. It is not the time to kill a PR claim

I mean I would've killed any claim immediately d1, it's usually correct to do so, particularly when it's a generic claim

The only mitigating factor here is kitz and it's frankly the only reason I'm bothering to consider anything else

 

[Santygrass]

Like, in the last seconds of the day Kcalb asked me where to vote and felt weird since she was staying on kitz from a while and never really pushed for it. So I can kinda see it as pressure on a packmate when stakes dont seems high since there are other wagons, and then when it switches to them in the main lead instead of being happy going along on the ride, maybe looking for a excuse to switch off, but end up comitting when it isnt provided kinda deal

Important note that apart from this I think Kcalb post are like, villagery on surface and I do think she is most likely village.

But like if game gets hards and I would question myself "who doesnt deserve cred from the kitz wagon" is the first slot I would think of kinda deal, so elaborating on that. But for today we just keep letting Kcalb cook hmmyes

 

[Santygrass]

Really don't like dying during a game of Werewolf. Town got to play the Optics game just as much as anyone else

Why you feel like posting this? Like, you fell you are in danger of dying right now or what prompted you to comment this?

 

[Clem J]

Really don't like dying during a game of Werewolf. Town got to play the Optics game just as much as anyone else

I immediately like you

 

[Clem J]

Why you feel like posting this? Like, you fell you are in danger of dying right now or what prompted you to comment this?

It's a direct response to samac, no?

 

[The Wasp]

Why you feel like posting this? Like, you fell you are in danger of dying right now or what prompted you to comment this?

Was literally just answering a question? I can't edit in the quote though so it's just a hanging chad

I immediately like you

🤝 I like you too

 

[GoSpursGo]

I don't really understand why you're wasting your posts on this since you said yourself you're not pursuing it today, but the people voting for Santy still didn't react quickly, most of them stayed on his vote, I think SAR is the only one who moved and she just unvoted. It was others. If he had said everyone vote Clem, then moon and myself and probably others who ended up on kitz would likely have done so in the same rapid fashion.

You sound so reasonable dubZ...

I took like a whole hour off, so I assume I'm fine on post count. But I do think it's important that we don't just reflexively clear Santy. I don't have anyone in my hard town lock core other than @fruitsalad

 

[Santygrass]

It's a direct response to samac, no?

yeah I totally missed it wheee, skill issue

 

[Clem J]

Was literally just answering a question? I can't edit in the quote though so it's just a hanging chad

🤝 I like you too

Self aware beasties

 

[Clem J]

*besties

 

[Clem J]

You sound so reasonable dubZ...

I took like a whole hour off, so I assume I'm fine on post count. But I do think it's important that we don't just reflexively clear Santy. I don't have anyone in my hard town lock core other than @fruitsalad

Did they vote for kitz?

 

[GoSpursGo]

*besties

Oops I'm wasting a post by mocking you wasting a post

 

[samac]

Maybe it’s just me but I’m usually not worried about my vote optics when I’m village-ing. I do what feels right. Screw them optics. Do what you want! Free the nipple vote!

 

[Clem J]

They being fruit

 

[Clem J]

Oops I'm wasting a post by mocking you wasting a post

My posts are low value

 

[GoSpursGo]

Did they vote for kitz?

They being fruit?

They were on the kitz vote before Santy

 

[Clem J]

They being fruit?

They were on the kitz vote before Santy

Yeah

Ok agreed on the clear

 

[WildZoo]

I have mild concern that dubz may have been trying to pocket me, which I feel is common for her as a wolf. However, I do find her much harder to read at low activity levels.

I think Zenge may be a more interesting place to start

Which probably means it's dubz

Wasn't your suspicion about me after you died in Clem's holiday game that I didn't throw down the soul read? I don't think you can claim that I pocket you when I'm wolfing when the only time I've wolfed against you in recent memory I not only did not do that but also let you die d1.

 

[The Wasp]

Self aware beasties

The Name of the game is not Werewolves it's Selfaware Wolves 😂/joke

 

[GoSpursGo]

OK, real timing has been fun. I'm gonna catch up now.

 

[WildZoo]

You sound so reasonable dubZ...

I took like a whole hour off, so I assume I'm fine on post count. But I do think it's important that we don't just reflexively clear Santy. I don't have anyone in my hard town lock core other than @fruitsalad

I think that's silly and it's reasonable to treat Santy as clear until there's a reason to do otherwise, but tis your prerogative!

I never drop a reads list day one because the entire exercise is superficial without more information.

I'm not at their beck and call

I am actually convinced that every time I ask Zenge for his thoughts, he restarts some kind of countdown timer. Like what I do when @samac asks me for a writeup.

 

[Clem J]

The Name of the game is not Werewolves it's Selfaware Wolves 😂/joke

If you're not playing like a cult leader and/or spy you're not trying

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe it’s just me but I’m usually not worried about my vote optics when I’m village-ing. I do what feels right. Screw them optics. Do what you want! Free the nipple vote!

I agree personally (clearly not opposed to doing dumb ****)

I have seen villagers be self conscious about it thought, especially if they're more often misyoten

 

[WildZoo]

I don't know Wasp's yeet armor meta though

 

[Clem J]

I agree personally (clearly not opposed to doing dumb ****)

I have seen villagers be self conscious about it thought, especially if they're more often misyoten

I feel like I fit pretty well in both categories

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz () -
SAR (1) - Spurs 32
genny () -
Zenge (1) - kcalb 5
Clem (3) - Santy 37, SAR 14, Zenge 50
Wasp (2) - fruit 13, samac 53
Santy (1) - Clem 31

8/15
yeet closed in ~21.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Omg this rice pudding I got is delightfully lemony

 

[The Wasp]

I don't know Wasp's yeet armor meta though

I won an award one year for Most Times Killed In The Day Period so that's my Meta No Armor

 

[WildZoo]

I didn’t like this post. At the same time saying it’s not out of his wolf range but also saying null.

Since I was reading this again, I don't understand the confusion on that comment. Barring pure POE reasons where I may move people into wolf reads based on gamestate, people are null in my world until I see them do something that is
- outside their wolf range
OR
- outside their village range

Saying Santy wasn't outside of his wolf range from what I had seen is equivalent to saying he's null.

Moon was saying Santy was a shining beacon of villageyness. I was asking what it was that he had done that was outside his wolf range to her.

 

[supershorty]

Well that’s it @supershorty get it packed up for me

But... but I use it a lot more than zenge does and it's match day on Monday so I need the fortitude 🥺🥺🥺

 

[WildZoo]

Actually mathematically Kitz was at a -2 total score with her Clem mentions. Same as you actually.

View attachment 415744

I see the results, but I need a discussion section for your findings.

Feel free to leave out the materials and methods, I doubt I would understand it

 

[supershorty]

But... but I use it a lot more than zenge does and it's match day on Monday so I need the fortitude 🥺🥺🥺

The law is everyone has to be nice to shorty on Monday because it will be stressful and either a terrible or great day with no in between, plskthx