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[GoSpursGo]

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Anyway sorry Santy you're townclear now and I'm out of my tunnel

Also probably toby (?) or whoever it was that I replied to near eod defending kitz. Officially turning in my reading card of my wolf pup I guess

Townclearing Santy just doesn't look good to me here

oh toby's village too but he's a bit of an unknown who claims to be good at wolfing and fooled AM few times

so... i don't think i can rule out toby deepwolfing here...

This is an interesting point

I wouldn't hold your breath cause I don't think I have anything earth shattering to pull out of my hat

But at least I pulled off of your vote

And we have a little breathing room so if I need to be a misyeet then it's not the end of the world

I should say, I've seen SAR being willing to be a sacrificial misyeet as village before. But I'm not sure that's what I'm seeing here.

Here's the D1 math for those wondering:

... I feel like this post was missing D1 math?

 

[GoSpursGo]

Tbh just you untunneling and maybe doing what work you can with slots like Zenge/Dubz + someone else who may have pinged you would already be great. Im especially interested in what you think of Dubz this game now, like. Rereading last EoD with the knowledge Im a villager what do you think happened last EoD there?

This is a little bit pingy.

Like, to address @WildZoo 's point, I'm NOT gonna vote Santy today. And I don't want to belabor the point, but if we miss today and tomorrow then I start side-eyeing Santy.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I'm contemplating because I do think we could be looking at another SAR/kitz pair given the defenses from SAR (though she didn't pull out all the stop and go full iso) but I fail to understand kitz pushing back on the Clem votes in that context. Which would make me lean more Clem.

SAR was almost word-for-word saying what she did the last time she was in a pack with kitz. And I could believe she couldn't in good conscience bus her wolflet.

But I need to catch up to Clem. Stop reading the new posts Spurs, stop

 

[WildZoo]

I also had this point:

With this vote board, do I really think that w!SAR would follow w!Clem onto Santy?

This is almost unpairing. I am pretty sure one of them is scum, but not both.

I actually don't think this means anything tbh. Wolves end up stacking their votes all the time. Sometimes they aren't aware of the tally, especially if it's been a while since the other wolf voted, sometimes it's strategic for exactly the reason that people don't expect it to be a thing.

 

[Zenge142]

... I feel like this post was missing D1 math?

oh whoops. I posted it later

 

[WildZoo]

This is a little bit pingy.

Like, to address @WildZoo 's point, I'm NOT gonna vote Santy today. And I don't want to belabor the point, but if we miss today and tomorrow then I start side-eyeing Santy.

And yet you are indeed belaboring the point!

 

[WildZoo]

Ope, almost my bedtime.

I'll try to be around during lunch tomorrow but close is unfortunately not at a great time for me so not sure I'll be here more than that and maybe some sporadic pop ins. I'm between SAR and Clem, which is not exactly groundbreaking.

 

[GoSpursGo]

oh whoops. I posted it laterView attachment 415750

What does wolf modifier and wolf wagon bonus mean?

 

[WildZoo]

Oh **** I forgot it's Thursday. I didn't watch the new episode of The Pitt!! Ahhhhh

 

[WildZoo]

Actually I will say that the EOD 1 Math for Samac does look different from the last game we played in a pretty substantial way, so that makes me antsy, but not antsy enough to wolf read her, just to make me paranoid enough to ensure I won't sleep tonight.

Spoiler

oh no

 

[Zenge142]

What does wolf modifier and wolf wagon bonus mean?

I'm glad you asked!

The 2x wolf Modifier is where I weighted the data coming from Kitz and about Kitz.

For the wolf wagon bonus, I assigned extra weight to the 1st 2nd and 3rd votes on Kitz, with everyone else getting normal weights.

Here's a larger vision of the raw data

 

[WildZoo]

I'm not salty about it.

I'm salty that apparently @GoSpursGo and @Kcalb are refusing to respect the rules, and not vote for me, because it's self resolving.

Feels like a double standard.

I think this was one of the first posts I saw about your PR "claim" when I got here so color me surprised when I went back and saw the whole thing reads like a joke

 

[Santygrass]

I'm glad you asked!

The 2x wolf Modifier is where I weighted the data coming from Kitz and about Kitz.

For the wolf wagon bonus, I assigned extra weight to the 1st 2nd and 3rd votes on Kitz, with everyone else getting normal weights.

Here's a larger vision of the raw data

View attachment 415751

WH- wha

What is this what does it mean and what are the takeaways??

 

[WildZoo]

I'm glad you asked!

The 2x wolf Modifier is where I weighted the data coming from Kitz and about Kitz.

For the wolf wagon bonus, I assigned extra weight to the 1st 2nd and 3rd votes on Kitz, with everyone else getting normal weights.

Here's a larger vision of the raw data

View attachment 415751

Me: asks for discussion section

Zenge: here's the materials, methods, and MORE results!

 

[WildZoo]

I got super excited in the shower cause I thought a couple roles were independent to column A and a couple to B so I was going to ask Santy and zenge to guess the column and if someone said a column that was impossible to someone else they’d know and it’d be a great gotcha.

But now that I’ve looked at the list it doesn’t work. 🙁

This is such a v!samac post

 

[GoSpursGo]

I'm glad you asked!

Good lord I need to get on your level

Are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd on the wagon. weighted equally? I can't immediately tell from here. And have you done this for prior games, and if so is this weighting based on seeing that such weighting is meaningful?

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Aww poor moon, she was just killed in our concurrent game (which ended overnight with my death as well.)

Couple notes:
I know everyone wants to hear from me and I didn't hit minimum but I'm both a night owl West Coaster with spotty day time availability and confused by this site. There's so much nonsense to scroll past, I am definitely just glazed with all the signatures, gifs, and the like. I did not read the final 10 pages of posts on Day 1 because it was too much.

@fruitsalad I use she/her but I really don't care what you use. However, for everyone, I am not used to being shortened to "squee" so I may or may not register that as me

Overall thoughts on Day 1: I don't think that it's possible to read guilt or not on Day 1, I think you just kill someone and read the chips that fall. A wolf is always exciting but doesn't always make it easy to track votes. Also, I am under the impression that I can call up vote scores on command? Or is that just an MU thing? I think this is my first time on a forum and makes me realize how little time I've really spent on the interwebs

 

[WildZoo]

I learned that yall talk fast (expected) lots of new people, a lot of early pretty hard town reads without a ton of substance. But d1 usually flies over my head anyways

Leaning v for fruit for now, somewhat v for you (I think it’s interesting how many people have already seemingly pegged you as v), zenge is pinging me some but this also reminds me of last game so likely v

Neutral sar

I haven’t liked the tone of moon and someone else (who I can’t remember the name of rn lolol) but I need to get to know the new peeps better. Maybe kcalb is pure?

I know I’m forgetting people but I just woke up haha

Quoting this for deeper consideration

 

[Zenge142]

WH- wha

What is this what does it mean and what are the takeaways??

I'll get to that, i'm setting up shorty's new computer

The basic premise is that I take any posts where someone says something positive about another player "I think AM is village" for example and I mark it down.

I also do the same for negative posts. "I think Zonges is wolfing" as an example.

Then I calculate the differences in a summary.

I also add the final votes to the summary to make a second summary that accounts for the votes.

I track neutral comments too, but they don't get factored in.

The names on the top x axis are the people making the comments, and the names on the side y-axis are who the comments are about

I'll talk analysis when I get a minute

 

[Clem J]

a night owl West Coaster

 

[WildZoo]

Also, I am under the impression that I can call up vote scores on command? Or is that just an MU thing?

Not just an MU thing, but not a function we have here. You can find the final vote tally for previous days in the table of contents at the beginning of this thread, but tallies in real time are made manually by the mods (or helpful players).

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Clem () -
Santy (4) - Clem 13, rae 34, Zenge 58, kitz 26
moon () -
fruit (1) - genny 20
Kcalb () -
Zenge () -
beans (1) - Dubz 82
Dubz () -
Wasp () -
SAR (2) - Wasp 14, Spurs 119
kitz (7) - Kcalb 49, beans 38, fruit 30, Santy 102, samac 84, toberto 42, moon 54

15/17
Missing: mrsqueequeg 8, SAR 37

Aww poor moon, she was just killed in our concurrent game (which ended overnight with my death as well.)

Couple notes:
I know everyone wants to hear from me and I didn't hit minimum but I'm both a night owl West Coaster with spotty day time availability and confused by this site. There's so much nonsense to scroll past, I am definitely just glazed with all the signatures, gifs, and the like. I did not read the final 10 pages of posts on Day 1 because it was too much.

@fruitsalad I use she/her but I really don't care what you use. However, for everyone, I am not used to being shortened to "squee" so I may or may not register that as me

Overall thoughts on Day 1: I don't think that it's possible to read guilt or not on Day 1, I think you just kill someone and read the chips that fall. A wolf is always exciting but doesn't always make it easy to track votes. Also, I am under the impression that I can call up vote scores on command? Or is that just an MU thing? I think this is my first time on a forum and makes me realize how little time I've really spent on the interwebs

 

[Clem J]

I'm just now remembering that I was going to only say positive things about people to prove a point and I completely forgot. Next time.

 

[Zenge142]

Good lord I need to get on your level

Are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd on the wagon. weighted equally? I can't immediately tell from here. And have you done this for prior games, and if so is this weighting based on seeing that such weighting is meaningful?

I only apply the wolf wagon bonus when a wolf is voted out. Final votes get +1 point across the board, similar to saying "I think Zonges is a wolf"

But in the event of getting a wolf, I give extra weight to the first people on the wagon depending on the size of the game. First 3 here got +4 +3 and +2 with everyone else getting the standard +1

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Not just an MU thing, but not a function we have here. You can find the final vote tally for previous days in the table of contents at the beginning of this thread, but tallies in real time are made manually by the mods (or helpful players).

Ah, I didn't realize those were links. Thanks. This place expands SO FAST I fear I shall never catch up

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Ah, I didn't realize those were links. Thanks. This place expands SO FAST I fear I shall never catch up

Now I have three copies of this page up: ToC, current reading spot, newest

 

[WildZoo]

Ah, I didn't realize those were links. Thanks. This place expands SO FAST I fear I shall never catch up

Good practice for champs tbh. Those games are VERY CHATTY, it's near impossible to read everything.

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Good practice for champs tbh. Those games are VERY CHATTY, it's near impossible to read everything.

That's what I'm hoping for but I am so not looking forward to it. I was an alt last year, and I gave it a real shot in observing but ye gods, I do not have that much free time

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Dubz () -
SAR (1) - Spurs 37
genny () -
Zenge (1) - kcalb 5
Clem (3) - Santy 38, SAR 14, Zenge 54
Wasp (2) - fruit 13, samac 53
Santy (1) - Clem 33

8/15
yeet closed in ~20.5 hours

 

[GoSpursGo]

Spoiler: posts

and there's really no reason for wolf!zenges to so openly say on thread that kitz isn't it. like... that doesn't make sense, he'd just keep quiet, not draw attention to himself

[/spoiler]

I also think this is wifom-y

Not yeeting Genny / Beans / Samac / Spurs /Samac / Fruit

Would preffer not to Santy/Rae



My post was only my vote, I need aura points

How did @genny make it into your "not yeeting" list?

And how did samac make it twice? I know she's your favorite, but I feel like I should be on there at least 3 times, and I'm feeling left out 🙁

Hey hello (wolfy pop in)

I have a 12 hour shift tomorrow and likely WILL NOT be able to keep up because my shift ends after vote. If you have specific questions for me, let ‘er rip.

For what it’s worth, I truly was sus of Santy.

Are you still sus of Santy?

Who else is in your POE? It's no longer D1 so you don't get to hide behind how you hate D1.

I mean, I'm of the opinion that if Clem won't play ball we need to get rid of him anyway because you can't have that at endgame, it's too dangerous.

So I'm fine with killing Clem. I could just honestly see it going either way.

Sure, you have an argument, and it's reasonable, but Kitz was also maybe setting it up to make Clem an easier misyeet.

Either way, I don't really care about Clem's slot and am happy to see it go one way or the other, at this point, now that I know you're not just pushing him for the easy misyeet.

Even as the founding member of the kill Clem club, I hate this post. Talk about "killing a slot" because you don't know what to do with it, when there is ample other data to consider, is a little obvious.

 

[GoSpursGo]

But in the event of getting a wolf, I give extra weight to the first people on the wagon depending on the size of the game. First 3 here got +4 +3 and +2 with everyone else getting the standard +1

So this bonus is standard across all games for the first 3 players on a wolf wagon?

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Why are we hunting Clem?

I understand the wariness of Wasp - our fellow player declares her the perfect Werewolf player as she is damn near unreadable

 

[Zenge142]

Even as the founding member of the kill Clem club, I hate this post. Talk about "killing a slot" because you don't know what to do with it, when there is ample other data to consider, is a little obvious.

Santy want's Clem dead. We might as well Coalesce, and I'd rather coalesce on where Santy wants to go, since it's more likely to get a consensus.

But I said I'd be happy with genny or Wasp. Clem's slot will bring more people together though.

Also you can't tell me Clem has been pro-village this game

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

So this bonus is standard across all games for the first 3 players on a wolf wagon?

Can I double quote?

I would argue the opposite. I don't think the first vote is likely for a wolf - at least on Day 1 - but an early vote is a perfect place to distance. It only hurts if it backfires into a wagon

 

[Zenge142]

So this bonus is standard across all games for the first 3 players on a wolf wagon?

Depends on the size of the game, and sometimes the circumstances of what I feel is appropriate.

Voting before a tracker reveals they caught a wolf would get bonus points but not after

 

[Zenge142]

Can I double quote?

You can quote as many times as you want!

Quote away! We're pro-quotes!

 

[supershorty]

Can I double quote?

If you use the +quote function in the lower right, it will compile quotes that you can then insert into 1 post

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

Thank you!

By double quoting, I mean you quote someone in your message, can I grab your comment and the quote you're responding to as one?

 

[supershorty]

Thank you!

By double quoting, I mean you quote someone in your message, can I grab your comment and the quote you're responding to as one?

Oh, no, it won't do that. You can do that manually in the BB code mode, but it's complicated.

However, if you click the little arrow next to the name of the person who made the post you're quoting, it will take you back to that post, so someone would be able to see their quote that way.

 

[_rae_]

Townclearing Santy just doesn't look good to me here

Ngl, this is a wild take. While I don't trust Santy as far as I can throw him, he pushed the hell out of kitz and was right. I don't think he's that rude of a player.

I'm not interested in voting Santy today.

 

[supershorty]

However, if you click the little arrow next to the name of the person who made the post you're quoting

 

[GoSpursGo]

clem dubz wasp SAR. and then rae and QQ

Why rae?

Why mention QQ?

I do agree QQ should by default be in POE

Also technically Kclab didn't ask just complained that I hadn't yet.

Village:
Santygrass
toberto
fruitsalad
GoSpursGo
beans2020
Kcalb
samac

Neutral:
WildZoo
SARdoghandler
mrsqueequeg

Bad Eggs:
Clem J
_rae_
genny
The Wasp

Again with the rae? I'm not seeing it.

I think there's a mafia between zenge and santy and I'd bet a nickel on it

Do they even make nickels anymore?

I honestly haven't had time in the last 24 hours

BUT YOU HAD TIME TO TALLY ALL OF THE POSTS WHERE ONE PLAYER MENTIONED ANOTHER MEMBER AND WEIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE VOTED???

The players most likely to be paired with kitz (imo at least) are:
spurs
clem
zenge
dubz
SAR
rae
squee
genny
wasp

I shouldn't even respond to this, but I don't see how I'm paired with kitz.

 

[GoSpursGo]

BUT YOU HAD TIME TO TALLY ALL OF THE POSTS WHERE ONE PLAYER MENTIONED ANOTHER MEMBER AND WEIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE VOTED???

I'm just gonna amplify this. Everything here is in furstrated v!zenge range, but c'mon

 

[WildZoo]

BUT YOU HAD TIME TO TALLY ALL OF THE POSTS WHERE ONE PLAYER MENTIONED ANOTHER MEMBER AND WEIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE VOTED???

Spurs pls. I'll let Zenge speak for himself but think about this for a moment.

 

[WildZoo]

I shouldn't even respond to this, but I don't see how I'm paired with kitz.

Are you unpaired?

 

[_rae_]

Sum of kitz reads for my own brain:

Fruit - V
Samac - V lean
Zenge - pingy but maybe V
SAR - neutral
Kcalb - pure
Spurs - V and pushed fruit on who in the votes for spurs was pinging them
Clem - never read clem but got on spurs' case for voting him? Then came back and was like "hmmmm maybe clem?"

What has Clem done to earn an actual vote from you? I feel like I haven’t seen much of him so far?

@Santygrass where is the Clem wagon???

Ty moon for the updated votes. Just earned you some village cred Unyeet moon @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

We are all…very spread. I’m getting war flashbacks

Santy has been a bit pushy for my nerves so I’m going to hop on that wagon though I was ruminating on Clem while swimming as well yeet santy @Animal Midwife @kaydubs @supershorty

Apparently champs is the stakes I needed to unlock kitz effort mode why am I sitting in the parking lot typing lmao

I feel like this doesn't look fab for clem or for spurs (distancing maybe?), but I also feel like we don't have much to go off of in regards to kitz's interactions with others.

 

[Zenge142]

BUT YOU HAD TIME TO TALLY ALL OF THE POSTS WHERE ONE PLAYER MENTIONED ANOTHER MEMBER AND WEIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE VOTED???

Yeah where do you think my WW time went!?!?

That and ruminating on the data

 

[_rae_]

I shouldn't even respond to this, but I don't see how I'm paired with kitz.

Spurs pls. I'll let Zenge speak for himself but think about this for a moment.

These were interesting posts to pop up while I was typing that

 

[GoSpursGo]

Spurs pls. I'll let Zenge speak for himself but think about this for a moment.

*thinks*

If I read the entire thread and input all of the mentions of one player against another, and made a spreadsheet... at the end of that exercise, I would look at it, and formulate a reads list. I would decide who was likely village, who I had little info on, and who was sus.

I thought about it, and I still don't like it.

 

[Mrs Queequeg]

I do agree QQ should by default be in POE