Terrible news:From 2012 not only NBDE1 But DAT for NYU??

[dentgold]

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IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL 2013 APPLICANTS:

As of January 2012, the National Dental Board Exams Part 1 will change to a PASS/FAIL grading system; therefore, we will no longer receive scores. All who are interested in applying to our DDS Advanced Placement Program will be required to take the DAT (Dental Admission Test) or the Canadian DAT. This will help us assess each person applying to our program more efficiently.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/academicprograms/ddsap/admission.html

I'm shocked,I don't have any idea!!!!!!!!!:confused

 

[got77]

omg isthis really happenning???

 

[vdt2009]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL 2013 APPLICANTS:

As of January 2012, the National Dental Board Exams Part 1 will change to a PASS/FAIL grading system; therefore, we will no longer receive scores. All who are interested in applying to our DDS Advanced Placement Program will be required to take the DAT (Dental Admission Test) or the Canadian DAT. This will help us assess each person applying to our program more efficiently.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/academicprograms/ddsap/admission.html

I'm shocked,I don't have any idea!!!!!!!!!:confused

its shocking ....

 

[Jtshsjt]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL 2013 APPLICANTS:

As of January 2012, the National Dental Board Exams Part 1 will change to a PASS/FAIL grading system; therefore, we will no longer receive scores. All who are interested in applying to our DDS Advanced Placement Program will be required to take the DAT (Dental Admission Test) or the Canadian DAT. This will help us assess each person applying to our program more efficiently.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/academicprograms/ddsap/admission.html

I'm shocked,I don't have any idea!!!!!!!!!:confused

Sigh!

 

[dentgold]

What do you guys think about other else schools?
Will they change their requirements (as they didn't update yet for 2012)?
What should we do?
It's really incredible...

 

[vdt2009]

What do you guys think about other else schools?
Will they change their requirements (as they didn't update yet for 2012)?
What should we do?
It's really incredible...

lets wait n watch ...lets be prepared for the worst 😡

 

[Jtshsjt]

What do you guys think about other else schools?
Will they change their requirements (as they didn't update yet for 2012)?
What should we do?
It's really incredible...

UIC will require NBDE 2 for sure!

 

[ethanzzz]

.... So... Can a foreign graduate register DAT? And how? Is there any document we need to send to ADA?

Thank you very much.🙂

 

[Jtshsjt]

.... So... Can a foreign graduate register DAT? And how? Is there any document we need to send to ADA?

Thank you very much.🙂

http://www.ada.org/dat.aspx

 

[make you smile]

Have no idea what the wiseacres at NYU are thinking! I personally think it is just a dumb move. When the US licensing boards allow US trained dentists (4 yr program) to practice dentistry after they have passed the NBDE's and the state licensing exam, why cant they give admission based on them to foreign trained dentists? Maybe they can ask for NBDE 2 also and conduct a bench exam but what is the point of DAT especially for a dentist? For someone who has graduated in dentistry test us on our dental knowledge. For them to want to know how we perform in basic biology, physics, chemistry etc is outright hilarious.

 

[nj dental]

Have no idea what the wiseacres at NYU are thinking! I personally think it is just a dumb move. When the US licensing boards allow US trained dentists (4 yr program) to practice dentistry after they have passed the NBDE's and the state licensing exam, why cant they give admission based on them to foreign trained dentists? Maybe they can ask for NBDE 2 also and conduct a bench exam but what is the point of DAT especially for a dentist? For someone who has graduated in dentistry test us on our dental knowledge. For them to want to know how we perform in basic biology, physics, chemistry etc is outright hilarious.

Exactly , thats completely unexpected .........so it seems like they will be judging applicants on basis of DAT scores ??

 

[Endodontia]

That is ridiculous and makes no sense to have international dentists take the DAT! NYU really annoys me sometimes!

 

[asd1234]

Exactly , thats completely unexpected .........so it seems like they will be judging applicants on basis of DAT scores ??

NYU doesn't want to have a practical interview because it would take more time to grade and check each prep for 125 people. They are a lazy school so taking DAT scores from applicants would save time and avoid work.

 

[DrT2202]

Have no idea what the wiseacres at NYU are thinking! I personally think it is just a dumb move. When the US licensing boards allow US trained dentists (4 yr program) to practice dentistry after they have passed the NBDE's and the state licensing exam, why cant they give admission based on them to foreign trained dentists? Maybe they can ask for NBDE 2 also and conduct a bench exam but what is the point of DAT especially for a dentist? For someone who has graduated in dentistry test us on our dental knowledge. For them to want to know how we perform in basic biology, physics, chemistry etc is outright hilarious.

From my personal knowledge of NYU students in the AP program and from admission decision makers. They mainly care to see that your level in the basic medical sciences is strong and that you can bear the big load of study in the 3rd year (mainly basic science). They give more importance to NBDE part 1 scores and your grades in school (basic science) as they believe that you will have a lot of time to learn dental science with them. NYU has a very impressive patient pool and you will be very highly trained if chosen for admission there. I have my fingers crossed.

 

[dreamdoc11]

From my personal knowledge of NYU students in the AP program and from admission decision makers. They mainly care to see that your level in the basic medical sciences is strong and that you can bear the big load of study in the 3rd year (mainly basic science). They give more importance to NBDE part 1 scores and your grades in school (basic science) as they believe that you will have a lot of time to learn dental science with them. NYU has a very impressive patient pool and you will be very highly trained if chosen for admission there. I have my fingers crossed.

its hard to beliv tht NYU cn do such thing....DAT exm is completely diff from NBDE... it requires biology,general chemistry, organic chemistry ,reasoning, maths n allllllllll .............. i cnt go bak yrs bak to read them all again ..n hw cn Nyu thnk dat international applicants wil be leaving all oder things to study our class 12th subjects,,,

n if aplications decrease NYU wil lose a major source of their revenue( approx: 3 lac dollars per international student)
still SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!

Hope oder schools wil b more mature in analysing students rather thn goin for DAT( Dey cn simply admit students on basis of der gpa, resumes n interviews evn if dey nt getin Nbde scores, to gt the best instead of goin to DAT exam,,,,,,,,,

or dese univ can request ADA to send them scores evn if nt to applicants )

 

[vdt2009]

its hard to beliv tht NYU cn do such thing....DAT exm is completely diff from NBDE... it requires biology,general chemistry, organic chemistry ,reasoning, maths n allllllllll .............. i cnt go bak yrs bak to read them all again ..n hw cn Nyu thnk dat international applicants wil be leaving all oder things to study our class 12th subjects,,,

n if aplications decrease NYU wil lose a major source of their revenue( approx: 3 lac dollars per international student)
still SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!

Hope oder schools wil b more mature in analysing students rather thn goin for DAT( Dey cn simply admit students on basis of der gpa, resumes n interviews evn if dey nt getin Nbde scores, to gt the best instead of goin to DAT exam,,,,,,,,,

or dese univ can request ADA to send them scores evn if nt to applicants )

U r right , this is an insane step , I mean why DAT ?...how much we need math or physics or very basic inorganic or organic chemistry which way too vast in horizon that we need in Dentistry. Among these basic courses we already have decent understanding what is require n what is not ...n we r Graduate dentists from our country ...i mean if they have to behave so insanely ,n if they need scores only, instead of DAT they could have include GRE ; like few other school do (for masters program)...
n if they need just score to evaluate then y they require NBDE now...Y not DAT + ECE reports just to show that we know all what is require in dentistry n later we can give NBDE with regular 4 yr students after 2nd year or so ....

NYU is behaving like ...... we can not judge students who already CLEARED higher level exam(NBDE)...so now students just GO BACK to junior level n give other exams ...so that NYU can judge ...so idiotic

 

[dwelee]

The real problem is not the DAT itself but taking DAT requires one year of studying of basic science in an american school !!!!!!!!!!!! Please correct me if I'm wrong !!!








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[dreamdoc11]

The real problem is not the DAT itself but taking DAT requires one year of studying of basic science in an american school !!!!!!!!!!!! Please correct me if I'm wrong !!!








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Im nt sure abt that requirement n i dont thnk tht wil fit fr us.....on ada website its basically written tht we need a DENTPIN before taking that.........stil someone wid more information cn throw some more light on dis topic!!!

 

[toothfairyqueen]

Im nt sure abt that requirement n i dont thnk tht wil fit fr us.....on ada website its basically written tht we need a DENTPIN before taking that.........stil someone wid more information cn throw some more light on dis topic!!!

try opening the electronic application for DAT, you have to enter the pre-dental college name, city or code... all options for US address only... guys confirm with ada, email them and ask.

 

[dreamdoc11]

try opening the electronic application for DAT, you have to enter the pre-dental college name, city or code... all options for US address only... guys confirm with ada, email them and ask.

Actually that is nt d exact problem, dere's a column below to put the name of ur college.....n the application continues...bt all d questions r in relation to us graduate only...still we can continue through all that as most questions are not necessary to fill, n complete our registration ..i hv tried dis till the payment page.........

so instead of worrying about filling the form..just confirm with ADA that is it feasible for international students to giv DAT n proper guidelines about filling the form.

 

[dwelee]

I've sent an email to ADA and I've just got this email from them:

"Yes you are eligible for the DAT. You can register for a DENTPIN, which is necessary to apply for the exam, and apply for the exam under the following link:

http://www.ada.org/dat.aspx

Have a great day!"

SO, We don't have a problem with that.





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[dentistpulse]

but this is absoultely insane.... so what bout d schools that require part 1& 2.. imagine adding another exam DAT... an exam which is not even relevant to this scenario... consists of maths and chemistry... absoultely crazy. So people i guess instead of part two ...DAT is now not just adviced but a basic requirement 🙁

 

[vdt2009]

I've sent an email to ADA and I've just got this email from them:

"Yes you are eligible for the DAT. You can register for a DENTPIN, which is necessary to apply for the exam, and apply for the exam under the following link:

http://www.ada.org/dat.aspx

Have a great day!"

SO, We don't have a problem with that.





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Thats GR8!!
...well guys ...lets take one step at a time ...and lets see what other universities are going to do about pass/fail thing ...
BTW .. 1 thing really got cleared from NYU site n that is ..... As we do not receive our scores breakdown in pass /fail system, so as the universities. Many were confused about this ...Do universities access our scores .. this is not fair......... n all that... Blah blah blah....so lets look 1 positive side of it 🙂
well...
Hope for the Best ...but be prepared for the worst

 

[vdt2009]

but this is absoultely insane.... so what bout d schools that require part 1& 2.. imagine adding another exam DAT... an exam which is not even relevant to this scenario... consists of maths and chemistry... absoultely crazy. So people i guess instead of part two ...DAT is now not just adviced but a basic requirement 🙁

Till date this is not must for all universities....Other universities did not updated sites for next year.

 

[dentistpulse]

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[dreamdoc11]

but this is absoultely insane.... so what bout d schools that require part 1& 2.. imagine adding another exam DAT... an exam which is not even relevant to this scenario... consists of maths and chemistry... absoultely crazy. So people i guess instead of part two ...DAT is now not just adviced but a basic requirement 🙁

i thnk we shud nt only thnk of nyu,,shud wait fr oder univs too n i dnt thnk evry1 wil b as crazy as nyu........we alrdy hv so many things to thnk abt nbde1 n may b 2 too....thn sum says masters degree..fr sum research ,publications...clinical skils........nw dis DAT....i thnk fr d tim being we shud only concentrate on the current cycle rather thn worrying so much abt DAT,,,,

n dere r many schools oder thn nyu too( though i knw nyu hs d maximum seats) n we shud aim fr dose too!!!!!!!!!!!

dere's alwayz a way fr dose who knows to work hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[vdt2009]

dere's alwayz a way fr dose who knows to work hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

👍

 

[make you smile]

From my personal knowledge of NYU students in the AP program and from admission decision makers. They mainly care to see that your level in the basic medical sciences is strong and that you can bear the big load of study in the 3rd year (mainly basic science). They give more importance to NBDE part 1 scores and your grades in school (basic science) as they believe that you will have a lot of time to learn dental science with them. NYU has a very impressive patient pool and you will be very highly trained if chosen for admission there. I have my fingers crossed.

Yes, NYU may give a lot of importance to basic medical sciences but that is why they ask for our GPA and NBDE part 1 scores. Why exactly should they care for school basic sciences--physics,chemistry? I have gotten admission into a dental school in my country only after securing a good rank in an extremely competitive exam that tested me in school basic sciences. And that I have completed my dental studies in my country is proof enough that I am capable of completing the course at NYU too. How is DAT going to prove anything extra, I really don't know. Probably they are just getting too many applications every year for the seats they have,they just want to cut down on that. 🙄

 

[drcool77]

I totally agree....but think if they ask for part 2 and bench who and why will anybody apply there considering three years two🙂.....consider fees too🙂

Have no idea what the wiseacres at NYU are thinking! I personally think it is just a dumb move. When the US licensing boards allow US trained dentists (4 yr program) to practice dentistry after they have passed the NBDE's and the state licensing exam, why cant they give admission based on them to foreign trained dentists? Maybe they can ask for NBDE 2 also and conduct a bench exam but what is the point of DAT especially for a dentist? For someone who has graduated in dentistry test us on our dental knowledge. For them to want to know how we perform in basic biology, physics, chemistry etc is outright hilarious.

 

[drcool77]

Can you please write proper english on professional forum......because i am oldschool and it causes headache to read to this.

its hard to beliv tht NYU cn do such thing....DAT exm is completely diff from NBDE... it requires biology,general chemistry, organic chemistry ,reasoning, maths n allllllllll .............. i cnt go bak yrs bak to read them all again ..n hw cn Nyu thnk dat international applicants wil be leaving all oder things to study our class 12th subjects,,,

n if aplications decrease NYU wil lose a major source of their revenue( approx: 3 lac dollars per international student)
still SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!

Hope oder schools wil b more mature in analysing students rather thn goin for DAT( Dey cn simply admit students on basis of der gpa, resumes n interviews evn if dey nt getin Nbde scores, to gt the best instead of goin to DAT exam,,,,,,,,,

or dese univ can request ADA to send them scores evn if nt to applicants )

 

[begottedBDS]

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL 2013 APPLICANTS:

As of January 2012, the National Dental Board Exams Part 1 will change to a PASS/FAIL grading system; therefore, we will no longer receive scores. All who are interested in applying to our DDS Advanced Placement Program will be required to take the DAT (Dental Admission Test) or the Canadian DAT. This will help us assess each person applying to our program more efficiently.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/academicprograms/ddsap/admission.html

I'm shocked,I don't have any idea!!!!!!!!!:confused

We can only hope that other schools don't follow suit

 

[impactedmind]

I dont abt other schools but one of my frens had mailed all the california colleges regardng this DAT issue.they were like we highly recommend u to take the DAT...

Wat does this indicate "we highly recommend"

 

[asghan]

I mailed all california schools regarding next cycle, and they told they haven't reached a decision on this yet. They will look at the trends followed by other universities and take a decision. (This means NYU, which has made clear about DAT, has set an example). They will reach a decision by next yr Feb/ March.

Now the admission committee may need scores to compare us. So it does make sense taking DAT..as it gives a score.
I have a numerical score in part1. Suppose i take part 2 in Feb 2012..and hopefully get a P. Then I'll need to study for DAT !! Since Cali schools will update by Feb, and their deadline is on Aug, that leaves 6 months window period to prepare for DAT.

I would personally prefer them making p1 and p2 compulsory. But in order to compare us they may have to resort to a standardized test GRE or DAT. I guess DAT would be easier than GRE. Won't it?

 

[make you smile]

I would personally prefer them making p1 and p2 compulsory. But in order to compare us they may have to resort to a standardized test GRE or DAT. I guess DAT would be easier than GRE. Won't it?[/QUOTE]

Just for your information, previously it was mandatory for foreign trained dentists to take GRE for admission to an ASP along with NBDE part 1 and TOEFL.

 

[asghan]

Oh..i didn't know that.

Though GRE is required still for applying to MS oral bio, and also postdoc for FTD's (along with p1,p2)

Anyways..thanks for the info 🙂

 

[vdt2009]

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[vdt2009]

I would personally prefer them making p1 and p2 compulsory. But in order to compare us they may have to resort to a standardized test GRE or DAT. I guess DAT would be easier than GRE. Won't it?

GRE is easier than DAT ...it has only maths n verbal n a essay writing ...DAT has more subjects it will take more time....i had given GRE n it can be finished in 2 months or less then 3 months,...and from this july GRE pattern has been changed now its easier than before ...

 

[begottedBDS]

Guys, I am asking you to start preparing for DAT right away...not only for NYU aspirants ..for all other schools also. Just for indicators..... we all know that previously even if we wanted to, we could not apply for DAT as it required at least one year of college from US... now you can apply with a DENTPIN from ADA site. Now those of you who think this is just a crazy move by NYU... I'd like you to logically think.. : did ADA allow this DAT for FTDs only keeping NYU in mind??? Or do you think there is logic in this "madness"? This , to me is a clear unwritten directive from ADA to all the schools that this exam will form a basis of AP admission requirement.
To all proponents of bench exam as a requirement : this exam only comes into a major considering factor only AFTER somebody's called for an interview. Remember, previously NDBE 1 used to be a major factor for calling someone for interview. Now most schools are overwhelmed by applications ( I was told that NYU received applications of over 1000 last year). Do you think they will call evrybody for a bench exam???

My intention is not to scare you guys but to let you know this might be a major move for the future admission process. Information is gold friend, and prior information helps in preparations. So if you guys have about 1.5 yrs head start you can do that right away and stay ahead of other applicants. 👍

 

[asghan]

@begotted BDS

What about guys like me, who took NBDE1 in 2011. To be precise i took on Aug and applied to just a couple of schools in the East coast. Keeping in mind to apply early in next cycle I was thinking of appearing for NBDE2 before Feb end 2012.

What about schools like LLU, Tufts, UMDNJ, Colorado, UPittsburgh, USC, etc which need part 2 or at least recommend them? Now what you said about DAT is reasonable, and has a 65% or more chance of happening (imo)

But still..i was thinking in next cycle there will be re applicant guys like me who have scores in part 1. Some in part 2. Couldn't schools (hopefully) make a transition gradually by 2013? Anyways what about part 2? DAT is diificult as it has Maths, and organic chem and also a 3d test..Maybe will have to study for both DAT and part2.

 

[begottedBDS]

@begotted BDS

What about guys like me, who took NBDE1 in 2011. To be precise i took on Aug and applied to just a couple of schools in the East coast. Keeping in mind to apply early in next cycle I was thinking of appearing for NBDE2 before Feb end 2012.

What about schools like LLU, Tufts, UMDNJ, Colorado, UPittsburgh, USC, etc which need part 2 or at least recommend them? Now what you said about DAT is reasonable, and has a 65% or more chance of happening (imo)

But still..i was thinking in next cycle there will be re applicant guys like me who have scores in part 1. Some in part 2. Couldn't schools (hopefully) make a transition gradually by 2013? Anyways what about part 2? DAT is diificult as it has Maths, and organic chem and also a 3d test..Maybe will have to study for both DAT and part2.

my post was not for reapplicants like you. definitely you have a point there. I might also think that the schools will be more easy on guys like you. even for part 2 there will be no scores...or so i guess. Anyway, schools that have only mandatory part 1 scores do not put much stress on part 2 scores..this has been my personal experience out here.. and have been told the same. they will definitely put more stress on your extracurricular activities....like research...experience...masterdegree.voluntary activities..etc.
I was asking the fresh applicants to prepare for bad times...

 

[asghan]

🙂 yes..what you told definitely makes sense...and made me think!!
Thanks for your input !!

 

[begottedBDS]

🙂 yes..what you told definitely makes sense...and made me think!!
Thanks for your input !!

My friend, If I would be you... and if I am desperate to get into AP program.. I would start preparing for DAT right away....just remember.. with your part 1 scores and part 2 completion... and a DAT score.. you would stand out from others...they do not want you to score like 20 in DAT.. they want you to take the DAT.. remember it is the first time they are asking for it....they would know that the scores are likely to be low.. if you find it difficult... most likely others would find it more difficult... but by taking it you signifivantly stand out from others.. and they notice you... !!!

 

[asd1234]

Guys, I am asking you to start preparing for DAT right away...not only for NYU aspirants ..for all other schools also. Just for indicators..... we all know that previously even if we wanted to, we could not apply for DAT as it required at least one year of college from US... now you can apply with a DENTPIN from ADA site. Now those of you who think this is just a crazy move by NYU... I'd like you to logically think.. : did ADA allow this DAT for FTDs only keeping NYU in mind??? Or do you think there is logic in this "madness"? This , to me is a clear unwritten directive from ADA to all the schools that this exam will form a basis of AP admission requirement.
To all proponents of bench exam as a requirement : this exam only comes into a major considering factor only AFTER somebody's called for an interview. Remember, previously NDBE 1 used to be a major factor for calling someone for interview. Now most schools are overwhelmed by applications ( I was told that NYU received applications of over 1000 last year). Do you think they will call evrybody for a bench exam???

My intention is not to scare you guys but to let you know this might be a major move for the future admission process. Information is gold friend, and prior information helps in preparations. So if you guys have about 1.5 yrs head start you can do that right away and stay ahead of other applicants. 👍

The ADA doesn't control how the schools admit international students. If they did each school would have the same criteria.. like some schools have part 1 and other schools have both parts for admission.. So saying that it's a clear directive from the ADA to all schools isn't right at all. Also did you ever try taking your DAT or applying for it? Once you're clear to take part 1 you can apply for DAT. It has always been an option it's just on a different page than the NBDE page. Also you can call the ADA to comfirm both these things because DAT has been approve along with NBDE.

 

[asghan]

as of now, CA schools haven't decided whether to consider DAT. I emailed them.
By Feb 2012 we'll know for sure. And even after that they will give us time to prepare n appear for the exam. They won't be unreasonable.

So I personally would rather concentrate on NBDE 2 now.