Texas medical, veterinary, dental and podiatry applications - 2022-2025

[heybrother]

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Data is from TMDSAS. Podiatry applications are apparently open till March 2025 so cycle probably isn't closed yet. Down 24% from last year.

This is interesting to me because the usual podiatry statistics reported by AACPM never seem to make any sense or add up.

There's a comment in a recent PM News suggesting total podiatry applications for this cycle were only at 300 people. Obviously that would be an enormous collapse if it were true though I'm skeptical ie. podiatry has always drawn late applicants who didn't match elsewhere.

 

[deleted1162946]

Interesting. I’ve had the thought that Gen Z is smarter than people give them credit for. I predict the application collapse continues. This will surely lead to problems for the bigger schools such as Kent as the gravy train stops rolling.

 

[dtrack22]

Down 24% from last year.

Good

 

[MoostashPod]

The slums of podiatry as it is and where it remains. It's nice to see the other professions with more applications and the graph looking like tall skyscrapers. Podiatry needs to go even lower to help with the saturation issue.

 

[GreenHousePub]

Podiatry applications are apparently open till March 2025 so cycle probably isn't closed yet.

Podiatry applications are technically open until the day classes start so schools don't lose that sweet, sweet student loan cash.

I'm still laughing at this one. Super surgeons who trained at AONA and they only got 90 applications??? Next you'll tell me that none of the professors are fellowship-trained board certified reconstructive foot and ankle surgeons.

Side note: Is podiatry still licensed by the same board that does barbers in Texas?

 

[air bud]

they only got 90 applications??? Next you'll tell me that none of the professors are fellowship-trained board certified reconstructive foot and ankle surgeons.

Side note: Is podiatry still licensed by the same board that does barbers in

Enjoy

 

[MoostashPod]

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TDLR list is almost "too long didn't read" (TLDR) that podiatry somehow effectively hid itself in shame on there. 😂

 

[Homo sapien]

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Data is from TMDSAS. Podiatry applications are apparently open till March 2025 so cycle probably isn't closed yet. Down 24% from last year.

This is interesting to me because the usual podiatry statistics reported by AACPM never seem to make any sense or add up.

There's a comment in a recent PM News suggesting total podiatry applications for this cycle were only at 300 people. Obviously that would be an enormous collapse if it were true though I'm skeptical ie. podiatry has always drawn late applicants who didn't match elsewhere.

Let it collapse. **** it

 

[GreenHousePub]

Enjoy

Wow we couldn't even make the cut to be with physical therapists.

 

[DogSnoot]

Down 24%.
PM News suggesting total podiatry applications for this cycle were only at 300 people.

That’s wonderful, warms my heart.

 

[Hybrocure]

Getting into 350k in student loan debt for a 120k yearly salary probably isn’t the wisest move in this presidency

 

[air bud]

Getting into 350k in student loan debt for a 120k yearly salary probably isn’t the wisest move in this presidency

Don't be a jerk. It's not a wise move in any presidency. Pretty sure if Kamala won that podiatry would have been unburdened by what has been.

Edit : would not have

 

[Homo sapien]

Don't be a jerk. It's not a wise move in any presidency. Pretty sure if Kamala won that podiatry would have been unburdened by what has been.

Yeah overall it's not a great idea. Podiatry school should be half of what it was

 

[SouthPod7]

Even if it was free, it would be hard to justify 8 years post-high school not earning anything, then 3 years earning 50-60k, then a lifetime of making around 100-120k. So many better paths to financial freedom out there.

 

[MicroPod]

What percentage of pods who have been out for more than 5 years still make the 100-120k. I would hope by that time they have become PP owner/partner or land a hospital job.

 

[Adam Smasher]

What percentage of pods who have been out for more than 5 years still make the 100-120k. I would hope by that time they have become PP owner/partner or land a hospital job.

this is a variant on a question I have asked and no one wants to try to answer: what does the podiatry wage curve really look like???

1. 4 years as student in debt
2. 3 years as resident earning little and not really servicing debt
3. X years of underemployment, might be 0, might be large
4. The promised land of steady/secure hospital employment vs ownership in a successful practice

Solve for average value of X???

 

[Feli]

Even if it was free, it would be hard to justify 8 years post-high school not earning anything, then 3 years earning 50-60k, then a lifetime of making around 100-120k. So many better paths to financial freedom out there.

This is the bottom line right here.

Podiatry is 7 or 8 years after undergraduate of (effective) zero income. [don't even factor in the HUGE interest-bearing cost of the school]

Nursing (and many other things) is undergraduate, then immediately 75k+ earnings. Add overtime, locums, sign/recruiting bonuses etc as able.

The nurse/other makes nearly a million dollars in that near-decade that the podiatrists are in school. It's well more than that assuming at least some of it compounds as house equity or IRA or 401k or other investments - and not just dumb car/consumer purchases.

...these days, there has to be a SIZABLE carrot on the stick to undertake almost any graduate health profession. A few, like MD/DO or CRNA are still viable as income (and therefore ROI) are still logical. For most, like podiatry, you really need a parent paying for the school, a booming practice/job to step into, or the unicorn full/near-full scholarship. No joke. Podiatry ROI is among the worst, but very few are good (vet, counselor, pharmacy, optometry, etc generally suck also). The tuition inflation has just massively outpaced any incremental wage growth. 🙁

 

[HaimFeldman]

Wow we couldn't even make the cut to be with physical therapists.

Texas still considers the ancient art of blood-letting by barbers to be a legitimate medical procedure, so it's not as bad for us as it looks.

This has also been very helpful for them during their current measles epidemic.

 

[heybrother]

I don't disagree with anything anyone is posting, but UT RGV is $20K tuition in state and $30K tuition out of state. Yeah, its brand new and the location is terrible. That said - these prices are lower than any other podiatry school by some variation of $15,000-25,0000+. Obviously cost of living is higher than it was 10 years ago, but in some ways these tuition prices are a reversion to more than a decade ago or more.

And yet students are unwilling to apply. That is a substantial re-evaluation of the entire non-MD post graduate medical system.

If all of the podiatry schools were $20K a year in tuition I feel like I'd have a hard time telling people that tuition was the problem.

 

[Feli]

... UT RGV is $20K tuition in state and $30K tuition out of state. Yeah, its brand new and the location is terrible. That said - these prices are lower than any other podiatry school ...

Yes, it's the best value in podiatry, no doubt.
It gets students back to DPM degree tuition rates of maybe 2005 or 2010? Ok, definitely cool (for anyone decided on podiatry plunge).

However, bear in mind that three more pod schools have been added since that time.
Fellowship cost of year and lost wage is somewhat required to be "competitive" for good employed DPM jobs now.
The number of good residency spots is same/lower (with some good attendings taking cases out to fellowships).
The cost of student living/board/clerkship/etc is obviously higher, as said.
The pay for podiatry is not drastically different (a bit higher in VAs, a few more hospital jobs, similar in PP).

Also, location matters. Students think they're spending monopoly money... that they'll be rich someday.
Why go to wasteland Texas when they can go to somewhere close to family, to LA, to Miami?

...UT pod with manageable tuition is a good thought... but it's far too little too late imo.
Any applicant/matriculant that they get for RGV pod just comes out of another pod school.
The idea they create their own "unique" app pool is completely deceptive by those with ve$ted interest in the school.
We'd be better off not having the additional pod school - if another pod school won't be closed (obviously not).

 

[deleted1162946]

You only get your 20’s once. Wasting it in podiatry school/residency 😬

 

[iridocyclitiss]

i like podiatry but i also have no school debt anymore. i can't imagine the stress of having 300k worth of loans and looking for a crap job and or applying to a job with 100+ applicants (like the job at Kaiser Walnut Creek lol). Even the fellowships i've heard that all the good ones (heck even the crappy ones) all have 30+ people applying. and just like posters have been saying, fellowship trained pods are taking the SAME crappy jobs they could have gotten a year earlier w/o the fellowship.

its always been about money when it comes to opening up new schools residencies and fellowships and i think we will really start to see some of the residenices, fellowships etc start to fall off as the supply of students continues to drop (because of ROI and clear dissatisfaction of pods). its a buyers market for students from here on out, and should be quite the squeeze next year with CSPM having 16/48 people in their upcoming class.

 

[heybrother]

The 69%ers will be 33% full.

should be quite the squeeze next year with CSPM having 16/48 people in their upcoming class.

 

[Boba Foot]

I don't disagree with anything anyone is posting, but UT RGV is $20K tuition in state and $30K tuition out of state. Yeah, its brand new and the location is terrible. That said - these prices are lower than any other podiatry school by some variation of $15,000-25,0000+. Obviously cost of living is higher than it was 10 years ago, but in some ways these tuition prices are a reversion to more than a decade ago or more.

And yet students are unwilling to apply. That is a substantial re-evaluation of the entire non-MD post graduate medical system.

If all of the podiatry schools were $20K a year in tuition I feel like I'd have a hard time telling people that tuition was the problem.

I think this school and the state of Texas overestimated the willingness of kids in the prime of their lives to move to Harlingen, TX. There were 4 large cities to put the school in, but they chose rural bum**** for some reason. It's 4 hours away from a large city with some of the most unbearable summer humidity I've felt and they're trying to draw from marquee cities like SF, Chicago, LA, NYC, and Philly. What kind of discount do they need to offer to be competitive? I guess we're finding out.