The 2016 MSAR

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gyngyn said:
AAMC doesn't indicate which of multiple MCAT's it counts as the individual's "MCAT" score.
They recommend an average. I'll ask if that is what they use!
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Just a few years ago they stated that the published data used the most recent MCAT (per phone call) for an individual's score. It will be interesting to see if the answer has changed (if you can get a response from someone who really knows the answer).
 
Has anyone else noticed that the % of accepted applicants with research has gone up? I have not found a school on my favorites list (Texas + some others) below 87% research. Most are 95+%.
 
songl4a said:
Interesting that schools with higher LizzyM scores tend to have lower levels of Clinical and non-clinical volunteering but higher levels of research.
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I think that makes total sense. Schools with higher LizzyMs tend to be the high-caliber research-heavy schools, and so they'd want to recruit people with research experience, even if that means deprioritizing clinical experience.
 
Goro said:
Va Tech and Hofstra have stats at or > the national avg. No more "new school" for these two.
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Unsure that's true since hofstra has been known to poach with generous aid.

I think they'll end new school turf when they match a few classes. Hofstras first match was tiny!
 
Goro said:
Va Tech and Hofstra have stats at or > the national avg. No more "new school" for these two.
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Darn hofstra and their mcat median of 33! Ooc why do you think despite being relatively new (their first class just matched), hofstras numbers are so high? Geographic location can't be the only factor! Perhaps that and the LI bagels 😛
 
Lots of smart Jews on Long Island. And I know this because I went to school with their parents!

Dr. Stalker said:
Darn hofstra and their mcat median of 33! Ooc why do you think despite being relatively new (their first class just matched), hofstras numbers are so high? Geographic location can't be the only factor! Perhaps that and the LI bagels 😛
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is there any data in the MSAR that leads me to see which schools are more oriented towards clinical skills?
 
Albert Einstein shifted from 31-37 to 30-36 for 10th to 90th percentile, respectively. Maybe there financial situation will make it easier to garner an acceptance!
 
sephora89 said:
I'm not applying till 2016. Would you all recommend getting this year's edition? I will absolutely buy the 2017 MSAR regardless.
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You don't buy a particular edition. You buy a one-year subscription that will update to the new version as it becomes available. I would wait until at least June of the year before you'll apply to buy it, so that it will still be active when you're finalizing your school list.
 
Many schools now have a 37 (98th percentile) MCAT median, but there are still only two with a 38 median: Wash U and Penn. Interesting how Harvard, Stanford, & Yale still can't break the 99th percentile for their matriculating classes.

I'm sure their answer would be "We could if we wanted to".
 
Doug Underhill said:
Many schools now have a 37 (98th percentile) MCAT median, but there are still only two with a 38 median: Wash U and Penn. Interesting how Harvard, Stanford, & Yale still can't break the 99th percentile for their matriculating classes.

I'm sure their answer would be "We could if we wanted to".
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My feeling is that Stanford (and Harvard too) tend to go for those applicants who have that special "something" (e.g., a special EC) instead of just super high stats.
 
I've been looking through but failed to see any new schools, are they on there? And if so, what are they?
 
Fidgety said:
I've been looking through but failed to see any new schools, are they on there? And if so, what are they?
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Here's a start:
Florida International University College of Medicine, University of Central Florida College of Medicine, Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L. Foster School of Medicine, and Commonwealth Medical College in Pennsylvania, Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine, Oakland University William Beaumont School of MedicineHofstra University School of Medicine,Central Michigan University School of Medicine and Cooper Medical School of Rowan University University of South Carolina School of Medicine, Greenville; University of California, Riverside, School of Medicine; Western Michigan University.
 
Only interesting thing I'm observing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sexton#President_of_New_York_University

This guy was responsible for making NYU good, with some house of cards-style tactics perhaps but still...anyway after some votes of no confidence he's basically being fired in 2016. They went from 140 million of NIH funding in 2010 to 245 million in 2014, which is insane.

I am REALLY curious as to how this impacts NYU's stratospheric ascent. Wasn't it like #35 5 years ago?

I wonder what @gyngyn thinks will happen. Very few people 5 years ago would have said NYU would be ranked higher than cornell/sinai. Will they coast? Will they plummet? Will they manage to keep the momentum?
 
justadream said:
My feeling is that Stanford (and Harvard too) tend to go for those applicants who have that special "something" (e.g., a special EC) instead of just super high stats.
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That's all the top programs...
 
gyngyn said:
No OOS applicants matriculated to UCR or UCD.
Rutgers still only matriculated 1 OOS.
RWJ is all the way up to 5 OOS.
Only 62 schools are accepting international applicants (down from 65).
AZ continues to matriculate a considerable number of OOS applicants.
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Do you know which three schools that stopped accepting internationals? I hope they are the ones that says they accept but never do.
 
ridethecliche said:
That's all the top programs...
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Yes, but H/S more so than say like...WashU (which seems to have greater attention toward high stats).

After all, it's no mistake (or random) that WashU consistently has higher GPA/MCAT than H/S. There is something different about their selection criteria weighting.
 
resiroth said:
Only interesting thing I'm observing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sexton#President_of_New_York_University

This guy was responsible for making NYU good, with some house of cards-style tactics perhaps but still...anyway after some votes of no confidence he's basically being fired in 2016. They went from 140 million of NIH funding in 2010 to 245 million in 2014, which is insane.

I am REALLY curious as to how this impacts NYU's stratospheric ascent. Wasn't it like #35 5 years ago?

I wonder what @gyngyn thinks will happen. Very few people 5 years ago would have said NYU would be ranked higher than cornell/sinai. Will they coast? Will they plummet? Will they manage to keep the momentum?
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It's no secret that there is some significant leadership change all the way down to Associate Dean level as well.
 
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resiroth said:
Only interesting thing I'm observing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sexton#President_of_New_York_University

This guy was responsible for making NYU good, with some house of cards-style tactics perhaps but still...anyway after some votes of no confidence he's basically being fired in 2016. They went from 140 million of NIH funding in 2010 to 245 million in 2014, which is insane.

I am REALLY curious as to how this impacts NYU's stratospheric ascent. Wasn't it like #35 5 years ago?

I wonder what @gyngyn thinks will happen. Very few people 5 years ago would have said NYU would be ranked higher than cornell/sinai. Will they coast? Will they plummet? Will they manage to keep the momentum?
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What were his tactics?
 
gyngyn said:
Here's a start:
Florida International University College of Medicine, University of Central Florida College of Medicine, Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L. Foster School of Medicine, and Commonwealth Medical College in Pennsylvania, Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine, Oakland University William Beaumont School of MedicineHofstra University School of Medicine,Central Michigan University School of Medicine and Cooper Medical School of Rowan University University of South Carolina School of Medicine, Greenville; University of California, Riverside, School of Medicine; Western Michigan University.
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Those were all on the 2015 MSAR though, were they not? I'm looking for schools who are accepting their first round of applicants this for the 2016 start date.
 
Fidgety said:
Those were all on the 2015 MSAR though, were they not? I'm looking for schools who are accepting their first round of applicants this for the 2016 start date.
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Dell? If you are from TX.
 
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anyone know how to check when your MSAR expires/closes?
 
Most interesting things I've found so far besides what was already listed:

UCLA median MCAT went from 35 to 34, while UCI stays at 34 and UCSD stays at 35. Unbelievable, UCLA has a lower median MCAT than SD!

University of Colorado went from 29.75% (47) out of state matriculation to 35% (64) 17 more students!

Dartmouth went down to a 33 from a 34, opposite of my expectation.

Stanford had 12 less matriculants from 102 to 90 and went from 61 instate matriculating students to 48, 13 less in state!

University of Miami went from 93 (46.97%) matriculating out of state students to 113 (56.78%), while the class size stayed roughly the same!

I wonder what the co-relation of matriculants to accepted student is... would love to get my hands on some of that data.
 
MaybeDr said:
Most interesting things I've found so far besides what was already listed:

UCLA median MCAT went from 35 to 34, while UCI stays at 34 and UCSD stays at 35. Unbelievable, UCLA has a lower median MCAT than SD!

University of Colorado went from 29.75% (47) out of state matriculation to 35% (64) 17 more students!

Dartmouth went down to a 33 from a 34, opposite of my expectation.

Stanford had 12 less matriculants from 102 to 90 and went from 61 instate matriculating students to 48, 13 less in state!

University of Miami went from 93 (46.97%) matriculating out of state students to 113 (56.78%), while the class size stayed roughly the same!

I wonder what the co-relation of matriculants to accepted student is... would love to get my hands on some of that data.
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Stanford over accepted the previous year (now they have a new admissions dean).
UCLA also has a new admissions dean and they include Drew in their stats.
UCI has a new admissions director.
 
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I had a feeling that was the case for Stanford.

Also what exactly does a new admissions director mean for 15-16 applicants, as in how will things change for us?
 
Doug Underhill said:
Many schools now have a 37 (98th percentile) MCAT median, but there are still only two with a 38 median: Wash U and Penn. Interesting how Harvard, Stanford, & Yale still can't break the 99th percentile for their matriculating classes.

I'm sure their answer would be "We could if we wanted to".
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I'm pretty sure the MSAR just gives info about the accepted students, not the matriculated class
 
The matriculant average is 38? 😱 Does it tell you the average accepted also?
 
Vain Brother said:
after a certain point (36 or 37), the scores are all basically the same
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Sure, at some point the difference between a 37, 38, 39, etc, is 1 or 2 correct answers.

But that doesn't mean that those ultra-high (40+) scores are not coveted by med schools and displayed as a sign of admissions selectivity and matriculant capability.
 
Love the new data but disappointed on how some of my list's school's 10-90% have shifted right to put me out of range.

Anyone know whether it's worth it to apply to a school that for one MCAT section you're one point below their 10-90% range for that section but within range for the other 2 sections?

I'm towards the upper end of the 10-90% for 2 out of 3 MCAT sections but one point under for the third section for a lot of schools that were on my list that I'd made using data from the previous MSAR version.
 
It's the 10th percentile instead of the 1st percentile for a reason. Go ahead and apply, although don't get too depressed if you don't get in at that school. You don't have a sub-8 score, do you? Sub-8 is a different ballgame.
 
Thanks. That's what I figured when I made my original list, but now I've got to re-think a few schools as a few I was looking at bumped their lower 10% PS to 10, and I have a 9. My top reach school went from a 10 PS to 11 PS, so that's likely a deal breaker.

Just looking to apply appropriately and was wondering what approach others take when using MSAR. Lower 10% in one category for an already hyper-competitive process puts me at a disadvantage. You're right that there's no way to actually know how great this disadvantage given so many other factors.

I'll be stoked to get in anywhere given the stories and stats I read on this site. Not too excited to fill out 25 applications but that seems to be the game these days.
 
Dang I hate that they did not update the scores to the new scoring system. I really want to know what score I should get on the MCAT to get in to a particular school.
 
mnmoore said:
Dang I hate that they did not update the scores to the new scoring system. I really want to know what score I should get on the MCAT to get in to a particular school.
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They can't update the scores yet, because the first round of MCAT 2015 test takers doesn't matriculate into schools for another 6 months.

Anyways, just use this to see what your new score is equivalent to in terms of percentile

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...centile-comparison-conversion-tables.1143689/
 
I'm applying this upcoming cycle, when should i get the MSAR, if at all? Is it worth it?
 
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