The FDA is moving a nutritional supplement to schedule 1

[Lexington2012]

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The FDA is banning the supplement kratom and moving it to schedule I.

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/contri...eck-your-pharmacy-shelves-for-kratom-products

It would be a good idea to make sure this stuff isn't on your supplement shelves.

 

[SadPharma]

It' pretty ridiculous if you think about it. The government is trying to ban a tea that has been involved in ZERO deaths without another drug involved. I tried kratom tea at a local coffeeshop about a year ago. It really didn't do much of anything to me. The only objectionable thing about it was the taste. YUCK!

 

[beautifulrobot]

The DEA is banning the supplement kratom and moving it to schedule I.

FTFU.

 

[Lexington2012]

I understand that the article says the DEA is banning the supplement, but does the DEA even make laws? I thought the Drug Enforcement Agency only enforces the laws that are made elsewhere.

 

[owlegrad]

I understand that the article says the DEA is banning the supplement, but does the DEA even make laws? I thought the Drug Enforcement Agency only enforces the laws that are made elsewhere.

DEA isn't making any laws, but they do decide what schedule a drug is.

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[beautifulrobot]

I understand that the article says the DEA is banning the supplement, but does the DEA even make laws? I thought the Drug Enforcement Agency only enforces the laws that are made elsewhere.

DEA doesn't make laws, but neither does FDA. Congress makes laws, one of which is the Controlled Substance Act, which, as @owlegrad mentioned, gives the DEA the authority to schedule a drug. Normal procedures usually involve the DEA requesting from the FDA a scientific and clinical review of the abuse potential of a drug, and recommendations on whether or not to schedule a drug, but the ultimate decision for scheduling a drug usually lies within the DEA. In certain circumstances the Secretary of HHS can also make decisions on whether or not a drug can be scheduled, as well as congress can by-pass normal procedures and temporarily schedule a drug. Usually, though, the DEA is the one making the decision (usually with input from FDA) about whether to schedule a drug and at what schedule to classify a drug.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Damn, I didn't know this existed. I could have just sold all the refill too soon opioid people this stuff and sent them on their way. No muss, no fuss.

 

[Ackj]

It' pretty ridiculous if you think about it. The government is trying to ban a tea that has been involved in ZERO deaths without another drug involved. I tried kratom tea at a local coffeeshop about a year ago. It really didn't do much of anything to me. The only objectionable thing about it was the taste. YUCK!

I'm sure whatever dose a coffee shop was selling is nowhere near the dose that made the DEA look into this. I've heard plenty of unpleasant anecdotes about this stuff, so it doesn't really surprise me that it's getting scheduled.

 

[ChalupaBatman86]

Legislatures make laws. Administrative agencies make rules. You have to obey both.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Pretty sad, kratom is used to ween people off opioids and it is very effective at doing so (anecdotal evidence from hearing others speak of their own addiction problems).

FDA+DEA always ruins good things that they can't make $ off (weed too).

 

[El Trombopag]

Interesting...

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[Lexington2012]

So it looks like the FDA hasn't actually made kratom schedule 1 yet.

 

[owlegrad]

So it looks like the FDA hasn't actually made kratom schedule 1 yet.

And they never will. Only the DEA can do that. Like giga said earlier...

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[Dred Pirate]

isn't peyote a "natural nutritional supplement", or shrooms, or opium - all are "natural" - so ya - this is nothing knew

 

[Lexington2012]

isn't peyote a "natural nutritional supplement", or shrooms, or opium - all are "natural" - so ya - this is nothing knew

Good point. You could also add ephedra to that list.

 

[Dred Pirate]

Good point. You could also add ephedra to that list.

i used that stuff before i was in pharm school and before I knew better - my resting heart rate got up to 120 - crazy

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

I understand that the article says the DEA is banning the supplement, but does the DEA even make laws? I thought the Drug Enforcement Agency only enforces the laws that are made elsewhere.

Various alphabet agencies do this. It's legislation on the fly without oversight, accountability, or even a practical way of fixing

 

[sosoo]

if u look at the DEA in the philippines, they made a complete mess of the country by being very loose on laws. here in the US, the DEA is much more stringent. at least this way we don't have Duterte telling the police to kill everyone they see pushing pills. do u really want the DEA to be loose like in the Philippines? the chaos n mass murders that come with it? drug abuse is already at epidemic level in this country. we need to be tougher on laws.

 

[BidingMyTime]

if u look at the DEA in the philippines, they made a complete mess of the country by being very loose on laws. here in the US, the DEA is much more stringent. at least this way we don't have Duterte telling the police to kill everyone they see pushing pills. do u really want the DEA to be loose like in the Philippines? the chaos n mass murders that come with it? drug abuse is already at epidemic level in this country. we need to be tougher on laws.

Actually the opposite is true. The tougher the laws, the greater the financial rewards there are for breaking the laws, therefore the more violent and territorial the illegal gangs become. What we need is complete decriminalization of drugs, the funds spent fruitlessly trying to enforce these laws would be better spent on drug treatment.

 

[Dred Pirate]

if u look at the DEA in the philippines, they made a complete mess of the country by being very loose on laws. here in the US, the DEA is much more stringent. at least this way we don't have Duterte telling the police to kill everyone they see pushing pills. do u really want the DEA to be loose like in the Philippines? the chaos n mass murders that come with it? drug abuse is already at epidemic level in this country. we need to be tougher on laws.

this is the post of someone who has no clue on how life works - seriously - you think the "War on drugs" was a good idea????

 

[PikminOC]

From Medscape
The DEA says that kratom has a high potential for abuse, that it has no currently accepted medicinal use, and that there is a lack of evidence of safety when used under medical supervision.

The American Medical Association (AMA) passed a resolution at its annual House of Delegates meeting in June 2016 noting that kratom was being marketed in many cases as a legal high and that its use could lead to addiction. The AMA was directed to "support legislative or regulatory efforts to prohibit the sale or distribution of kratom in the United States which do not inhibit proper scientific research."

Several states, including New York, are considering bans on kratom, and a few states have made the supplement illegal, including Arkansas, Indiana, Tennessee, and Vermont, according to Speciosa.org, a website that appears to be maintained by the Botanical Education Alliance (BEA) and the American Kratom Association.

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

if u look at the DEA in the philippines, they made a complete mess of the country by being very loose on laws. here in the US, the DEA is much more stringent. at least this way we don't have Duterte telling the police to kill everyone they see pushing pills. do u really want the DEA to be loose like in the Philippines? the chaos n mass murders that come with it? drug abuse is already at epidemic level in this country. we need to be tougher on laws.

Portugal legalized literally everything.
They have experienced no problems.

In regards to your Duterte references:

You sincerely believe that more aggressive moderate statism leads to less incidence of extremist statism?

 

[Ackj]

Portugal legalized literally everything.
They have experienced no problems.

Probably not so great for the pharmacy profession.

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

Probably not so great for the pharmacy profession.

I doubt their model is like ours

 

[Ackj]

I doubt their model is like ours

I can't think of a model that would be good for pharmacists that includes all drugs being freely available. No prescriptions means what, we just take requests like a deli? "Hey, gimme a couple of them oxys and a few protonix too." Sure insurance could mandate the Rx, but most drug seekers are more than happy to pay cash anyway. Plus it would mean a pharmacy isn't the only legal place to buy drugs, so why not get them at a gas station or something?

 

[gwarm01]

Portugal didn't legalize all drugs, they decriminalized use and possession. It's still a criminal offense to sell drugs but users are given treatment instead of jail time.

 

[Lexington2012]

Looks like they posted a retraction article:
http://www.pharmacytimes.com/contri...d-kratom-scheduling-action-seeks-fda-guidance

 

[BidingMyTime]

I can't think of a model that would be good for pharmacists that includes all drugs being freely available. No prescriptions means what, we just take requests like a deli? "Hey, gimme a couple of them oxys and a few protonix too." Sure insurance could mandate the Rx, but most drug seekers are more than happy to pay cash anyway. Plus it would mean a pharmacy isn't the only legal place to buy drugs, so why not get them at a gas station or something?

In countries were drugs, or most drugs are non-prescription, than the pharmacist is more like a doctor, where pt's come to the pharmacy, explain their problem, then have the pharmacist sell them a cure.