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The point is, it was part of the signing bonus. That's the take-home here, not what the car itself exactly was.
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I'm curious if anyone has heard of significant incentives in the last year or two? My pharmacy manager was mentioning the sign-on bonuses thrown at her by different companies when she was graduating, but that was also something like 10 years ago.
I'm fine with landing a decent-paying job. The bonus would be a... oh.. a bonus, I guess. I think the future of pharmacy involves earning enough money to provide for your family and buy a few toys on the side.
I'm fine with landing a decent-paying job. The bonus would be a... oh.. a bonus, I guess. I think the future of pharmacy involves earning enough money to provide for your family and buy a few toys on the side.
No, but one of the hospitals here has a $1500 sign on bonus for a TECHNICIAN that has hospital experience.
Us, too... Our hospital is hiring two *hospital experienced* technicians also and has had the positions open for almost 3 months.
I would go that route!!!
I plan on drive used Acura's for the rest of my life. lol They never frickin break (knock on wood), the engines last forever, they're easy to maintain, and they drive decent and have enough 'luxury' additions to be satisfactory in my book. Plus you can get one that is only about a year old and not pay 40,000 dollars.
Haha I'm just being difficult like always. 😉
I'm fine with it too. I have friends who are almost 30, living at home because they can't get a job with their chosen degree. It's not a stab at them... but a pretty common thing that happens to people (at least here anyway)... I'll be happy just to have a job where I can support myself and pay my expenses.
Year ago.. Two people i knew took 15k and 20k respectively, retail chain in wisconsin
All you kids again with your can-do attitude...
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/HomeMortgageSavings/WhyGenerationYIsBroke.aspx
"No one had ever taught me to make a budget or balance a checkbook."
"It's a generation that thinks it has so much freedom of expression, but it is so encumbered with debt it might not be able to pursue the career and goals of its choice,"
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-04-23-1Ageny23_CV_N.htm
"They're called "Generation Y" teens and twentysomethings known stereotypically for their coddled upbringing, confidence, opinionated dialogue, free-spending habits and openness to change.
Ultimately, however, the more than 50 million members may be best remembered for whether they can overcome the dire financial straits that plague many of them.
Even before the recession, those in Generation Y the latest products of a get-it-now, pay-for-it-later mind-set that has permeated the nation's economy faced a range of financial pitfalls as they embraced expensive high-tech gadgets and added credit card debt onto student loans."
"Kristen Ammerman, 21, a senior at Michigan State University, faces such challenges and sees her Gen Y classmates struggling with financial issues while seemingly oblivious to the potential consequences."
"A common trait within members of the generation is a belief that they have the skills and ability to make money and afford large purchases, even when it doesn't appear that they do."
"I switch around because I get bored or need to make more money," she says. She says she does not participate in Home Depot's 401(k) plan because she has too many bills to pay.
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http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/2195700,CST-NWS-geny24.article
" "Generation Y" -- some 50 million teens and twentysomethings -- is the first generation in a century that is unlikely to end up better off financially than their parents, according to a recent research report."
"They have high, unrealistic expectations,"
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I know you guys wont take these warnings seriously-- it's in your nature to feel invincible. When you guys are all partied-up, tuckered-out and boat-loaded in debt, and competing against a thousand other graduates for jobs, let alone residencies, then let's see how bright-eyed you are. In four years, we'll see who told who -- The optimists or the whistle-blowers.
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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/HomeMortgageSavings/WhyGenerationYIsBroke.aspx
"No one had ever taught me to make a budget or balance a checkbook."
"It's a generation that thinks it has so much freedom of expression, but it is so encumbered with debt it might not be able to pursue the career and goals of its choice,"
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-04-23-1Ageny23_CV_N.htm
"They're called "Generation Y" teens and twentysomethings known stereotypically for their coddled upbringing, confidence, opinionated dialogue, free-spending habits and openness to change.
Ultimately, however, the more than 50 million members may be best remembered for whether they can overcome the dire financial straits that plague many of them.
Even before the recession, those in Generation Y the latest products of a get-it-now, pay-for-it-later mind-set that has permeated the nation's economy faced a range of financial pitfalls as they embraced expensive high-tech gadgets and added credit card debt onto student loans."
"Kristen Ammerman, 21, a senior at Michigan State University, faces such challenges and sees her Gen Y classmates struggling with financial issues while seemingly oblivious to the potential consequences."
"A common trait within members of the generation is a belief that they have the skills and ability to make money and afford large purchases, even when it doesn't appear that they do."
"I switch around because I get bored or need to make more money," she says. She says she does not participate in Home Depot's 401(k) plan because she has too many bills to pay.
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http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/2195700,CST-NWS-geny24.article
" "Generation Y" -- some 50 million teens and twentysomethings -- is the first generation in a century that is unlikely to end up better off financially than their parents, according to a recent research report."
"They have high, unrealistic expectations,"
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I know you guys wont take these warnings seriously-- it's in your nature to feel invincible. When you guys are all partied-up, tuckered-out and boat-loaded in debt, and competing against a thousand other graduates for jobs, let alone residencies, then let's see how bright-eyed you are. In four years, we'll see who told who -- The optimists or the whistle-blowers.
No amount of sign-on bonus could get me to work at a CVS or Wags where I will wear diapers all day 🤣 🤣 I could go for one of the slower stores...or a grocery chain. Costco would be ideal for community pharmacy. Then again, a lot of these community clinics have decent pharmacies. Not many independents around this place, though :-/
It had to be done.
Even me, who has been reading the forums for about a year now without actually posting until recently (had to wait for that acceptance letter so nothing was jinxed!
Forget the "saturation pool."
Forget the loans.
Forget the 6 years of school or more it'll take.
Forget the economy.
Forget the new programs popping up.
Forget the "Top schools in the U.S." (aren't we always told that there isn't really an accurate way to truly judge this anyway? Doesn't everyone have the capability of becoming a Pharmacist after graduation?)
If you like Pharmacy you'll do it. Despite everything, you'll get to where you want to be if that is really where you want to be because nothing will stop you. No matter how many app's it takes, and wait lists, and loans, and hunting for an internship, job, whatever, you'll keep at it until your chosen. End of story. My Advice: Go to Pharmacy School.
your post is so ridiculously idealistic it almost reads as a satire.
also fyi, given all the new programs popping up, as you so kindly mentioned, the issue with school ranking is more in regards to getting a residency (which, if you read the residency forums, you'll notice are highly competitive) rather than just becoming a pharmacist at CVS.
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and what 'generation' are you from? not everyone is like this... not all of us have credit card debt... and not everyone fits the stereotype, even if a trend has been found...
you say the ones like this won't listen anyway... so what is your point? just to bash an entire generation in one post?
you say the ones like this won't listen anyway... so what is your point? just to bash an entire generation in one post?
What other job can we go into that isn't just as competitive and/or saturated right now?
The economy sucks. More people than ever in the last 15-20 years are going back to school or not retiring to keep on earning a dollar because their retirements, pensions and the like got wiped out or severely damaged.
There'll always be demand for talent and flexibility. By age, I think I am "Generation X" and was most certainly not coddled, but both extremes being represented here are off the mark.
The economy sucks. More people than ever in the last 15-20 years are going back to school or not retiring to keep on earning a dollar because their retirements, pensions and the like got wiped out or severely damaged.
There'll always be demand for talent and flexibility. By age, I think I am "Generation X" and was most certainly not coddled, but both extremes being represented here are off the mark.
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In all seriousness, I'm finding it VERY difficult to find myself and my newly graduated wife a job in the same city anywhere on the East Coast...unless I want to do mail order or retail. But I'm a dude with 2 years of hospital experience and I'm yet to even get a flippin' interview at a hospital in a major metro area on any one of the dozens of applications I've filled out over the last few months.
After whining about this on the PharmD board last week, I got some leads in thread and in PMs...we'll see how those pan out.
Eff it, maybe I'll go work on a PhD in pharmacology like all of my professors told me to...
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But y'all youngins' might meet a stark, cold reality upon graduation if new jobs aren't created in number over the next few years. At least El Presidente wants to make everyone get healthcare insurance, so that alone should help the numbers game for a while. But that hasn't kicked in yet...
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And, thankfully, I was born without a pot to piss in...so I was, by default I'm sure, not coddled. But I do see that in my Gen Y peers. They all seem so very useless. And obsessed with Facebook to an unhealthy and irrational degree.
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As with most things...I blame either Facebook or religion for everything that ever goes wrong.
Facebook died when they started letting people without college email addresses get accounts. The day my mother sent me a friend request was the last day I used it. That was a few years ago. And a part of me cried inside. What was once a cool, real college insider online community became the authoritative bizarre, confused, pathetic melting pot of every narcissistic fiber of our entire society. It went from being a useful tool to figure out which chicks in your biology class were single to an outlet for relatives you haven't seen in 20 years and losers from high school that became managers at Jiffy Lube to annoy you years after they lost their relevancy to your life. It's like a metaphor for the negative aspects of our generation. Facebook will probably lead to the downfall of civilization somehow.
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WTF is this thread about again?
In all seriousness, I'm finding it VERY difficult to find myself and my newly graduated wife a job in the same city anywhere on the East Coast...unless I want to do mail order or retail. But I'm a dude with 2 years of hospital experience and I'm yet to even get a flippin' interview at a hospital in a major metro area on any one of the dozens of applications I've filled out over the last few months.
After whining about this on the PharmD board last week, I got some leads in thread and in PMs...we'll see how those pan out.
Eff it, maybe I'll go work on a PhD in pharmacology like all of my professors told me to...
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But y'all youngins' might meet a stark, cold reality upon graduation if new jobs aren't created in number over the next few years. At least El Presidente wants to make everyone get healthcare insurance, so that alone should help the numbers game for a while. But that hasn't kicked in yet...
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And, thankfully, I was born without a pot to piss in...so I was, by default I'm sure, not coddled. But I do see that in my Gen Y peers. They all seem so very useless. And obsessed with Facebook to an unhealthy and irrational degree.
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As with most things...I blame either Facebook or religion for everything that ever goes wrong.
Facebook died when they started letting people without college email addresses get accounts. The day my mother sent me a friend request was the last day I used it. That was a few years ago. And a part of me cried inside. What was once a cool, real college insider online community became the authoritative bizarre, confused, pathetic melting pot of every narcissistic fiber of our entire society. It went from being a useful tool to figure out which chicks in your biology class were single to an outlet for relatives you haven't seen in 20 years and losers from high school that became managers at Jiffy Lube to annoy you years after they lost their relevancy to your life. It's like a metaphor for the negative aspects of our generation. Facebook will probably lead to the downfall of civilization somehow.
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WTF is this thread about again?
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It's the same on blue side! Granted, I've only been out for five months, but when I was trying to build my civilian wardrobe, when I found a shirt I liked, I bought two. And I didn't think anything of going to school two days in a row with seemingly the same clothes on.
I don't think this changes over time. My father-in-law is a retired master chief, and he has a "civilian uniform" of a Hawaiian shirt and shorts every day. His closet is like a Tommy Bahama warehouse.
I know people that got their bachelors and are loaded with debt, as these articles seem to be referring to. They couldn't get a job if their lives depended on it, since a bachelors is like a high school diploma these days. These articles aren't even relevant to going to a professional school.
Although, I really don't think I would want to be just going in for 6 years without a backup plan. At least with my degree and my experience I can work for any of place dealing with chemicals or even be an electrician if need be.
But this is stupid. Kids are going to be optimistic. You're just old and no one likes you.
Forget pharmacy, become a repo-man/woman
Most of the Gen X folks around here are cool... other guy is just bitter. Lol
That can be couples in any careers though. We moved for my job but my DH hasn't been able to find a decent job (data analyst) where we live. The chances of us both finding jobs we like in the same city aren't that great. I could work in retail or a big hospital and hate it while he has a good analyst job, or I can have a great job in a rural area while he scrounges for work. That's life.
It would be silly for me to say that pharmacist job availability hasn't changed in the last several years, but I don't know that it's any worse than other fields.
Yeah, as it stands, my wife and I have decided that I'm basically going to play second fiddle, career-wise, to her, since in order for her to work at a large law firm, she'll need to be in a big area... like Seattle, SF, LA and the like, which will likely have saturation problems in pharmacy.
It's all a sacrifice in life...
It's all a sacrifice in life...
So P4, has she decided?
Yeah, we wrote a very too big (Think Super Troopers German guy voice) check payable to Stanford Law on Friday. Still no word from HLS (Rejection, defer, or otherwise...) so it came down to Boston College, Columbia, Boalt and SLS and since we really don't want to leave CA if we can at all help it, it was really down between Boalt (Cal) and SLS, and well, if you ever do leave California, SLS has the better name, and it has the #1 IP program in the country so, while it was tough, she did finally decide.
Well, here I am several months later still unable to find an internship 🙁. Professors are strongly suggesting that I volunteer this summer, since already several people in both my class and P2 class will be volunteering either full or part time. I am still hoping to find work. My last hope is Walmart of all places! I applied to the nearest locations hiring which are all 4-5 hours away, still I am willing to pay 2 rents just to get my intern hours.
I think it was bolt dude who mentioned I complained about not being able to find a "cushy" internship in SF - If I am willing to move 5 hours away, pay 2 rents all while praying I get that job, don't you think the job situation may indeed be alarming ? 😕
If I don't get anything within the next couple weeks, I am going to Salvador with humanitarian mission to work with people in this rural village - a trip ironically I have to shell out 1300 $ + airline fair for $. 🙁
I think it was bolt dude who mentioned I complained about not being able to find a "cushy" internship in SF - If I am willing to move 5 hours away, pay 2 rents all while praying I get that job, don't you think the job situation may indeed be alarming ? 😕
If I don't get anything within the next couple weeks, I am going to Salvador with humanitarian mission to work with people in this rural village - a trip ironically I have to shell out 1300 $ + airline fair for $. 🙁
Can't you just do the internship hours after you graduate, chebs, and then sit for NAPLEX?
I can, but the sole idea that I won't do anything useful, worthy or inspirational with my training this summer after busting my ass to get into UC is crushingly depressing. I go to UC for christ's sake, shouldn't I be able to find a pharmacy related job somewhere ? 🙁
I rather pay money and go to Africa or Latin America to do humanitarian work than work as a waitress. At least I'll do good and I already worked and enjoyed my experiences abroad. 🙁
Sci, so how far away are you guys going to be from one another?
Chebs, that sucks!! I had no idea the bay area was that f-in saturated. What about down in San Jose? Considering you're mentioning 4-5 hours away, I'm guessing you looked there already. Modesto?
Chebs, that sucks!! I had no idea the bay area was that f-in saturated. What about down in San Jose? Considering you're mentioning 4-5 hours away, I'm guessing you looked there already. Modesto?
She'll find plenty of action in the central valley, the problem is running two households during school to do it. That's why I figured she'd just do it after graduation.
It does suck, Chebs, but it is further proof that there is little hierarchy / reputation / prestige when it comes to pharmacy. One school is just as good as another for internship/residency.
Lea, we won't be too far apart. I'll be in Stockton during the week, and she'll be in Palo Alto (Well, Stanford proper, but Palo Alto is a co-habbing city) which is approximately 2 hours drive... I'll end up going there on Friday after class and spending the weekend with her, then driving back. Not really too bad.... Sacrifices must be made.
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I bet the way back would always be more tiring than the drive there.
That's how I usually feel on mini road trips I take.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat too, from one of the schools in Texas, (not UT but not one of the new schools that opened up), been hard to find a hospital or retail internship... Texas doesn't require you to do external hours, but I would still like to get in with one company and stay with them, considering how saturated things will get when I graduate in 2013.
It seems like you'd be able to find a job if you are willing/able to relocate anywhere in the country.
Almost all professions are "saturated" these days. I was barely able to find a job as a science teacher with a Master's degree, but I applied to every school district within a 50 mile radius and finally found a job (this was 3 years ago). It doesn't seem like pharmacy would be too much different in the sense of the scarcity of finding a job. MOST jobs these days are competitive but if you apply to enough places, eventually you're going to find one.
Just because your job won't be served to you on a crystal platter upon graduation doesn't mean pharmacy is "dead' or to "get out." You'll just have to work harder and possibly relocate.
But then again I'm a recently accepted pharmacy student, so obviously my opinion has no credibility in this forum.
Almost all professions are "saturated" these days. I was barely able to find a job as a science teacher with a Master's degree, but I applied to every school district within a 50 mile radius and finally found a job (this was 3 years ago). It doesn't seem like pharmacy would be too much different in the sense of the scarcity of finding a job. MOST jobs these days are competitive but if you apply to enough places, eventually you're going to find one.
Just because your job won't be served to you on a crystal platter upon graduation doesn't mean pharmacy is "dead' or to "get out." You'll just have to work harder and possibly relocate.
But then again I'm a recently accepted pharmacy student, so obviously my opinion has no credibility in this forum.
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Thanks baby-boomer (or whatever generation you are from that is so much better than mine!) doomsayer, but really it is us who have to SOLVE the enormous debt and overextension YOUR GENERATION has put on the government. We are in HUGE DEBT now because PREVIOUS generations screwed over our respective states so badly that they are having to cut education funding by the billions to pay for the INSANE retirement plans they agreed to give your greedy generation.
So please, get off the forum with your "warnings" and go read an article about how college tuition has increased significantly faster than inflation because of YOU and it is US who have to take that in stride. Amazingly enough, some of us had parents who actually taught us about money and hard work. We might even survive!!
It is in a Pre-Pharmacy forum, isn't it? 😀
I'd say that statements coming from you as an accepted student would have more meaning than a pre-pharm student who is still applying or finishing pre-requisites. Their opinions matter too, but you get what I'm saying, right? 🙂
Depending on your school, you could say that you're already a student waiting to start school.
OP's avatar gave me all the hope I need 😍
OP you are hot 🙂
Wait until you start pharmacy school. You'll meet plenty of pretty girls there.
cool. i second that.
haha i like this guy. for those of you saying that as long as you are willing to move anywhere in the US you can get a job, ergo the job market saturation is not a problem, think about those who have significant others or family and may not have that luxury.
You make an excellent point. Not all of us are young and single.
Desklamp, I have always wanted to know...why did you make your screen name desklamp?
Yup, I am restricted to the area in which I live to eventually find a pharmacist job. My spouse works in a field where it is almost impossible to find work outside this area, so moving isn't an option for us.
I heard it's even harder to get hired as a grad intern b/c most pharmacies consider them to be over paided/too expensive to hired. Plus you are wasting 6 months or so of potential time you could be making a pharmacist's salary instead of a grad intern's salary.
I really need to try and transfer stores when I move. Have you tried looking at any Publix up there?
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Most of them are NOT hiring. Except one might be...I will have to call her back tommorrow. The pharmacist that works there look kinda mean though! LOL...
Honestly it is not VERY HARD to find a job...its only VERY hard if you try looking in April/May b/c EVERYONE wants to work during the summers and as many hours a possible etc. If you are willing to work during the school year getting a job isn't that hard. It's people like me, that are only willing to working during the summers and NOT the school year that is really having problems finding jobs. In August many spots would be opened again...but thats when I don't want to work. 🙄
Well, here the grad interns appear to make about $55,000-$60,000 per year, which would be only a fraction of an actual RPh's salary in those X amount of months. I don't buy it.
There are plenty of positions available in the central valley and in undesirable places. No big deal for a few months of your life.
Hell, even residency counts. One of last year's residents hadn't taken NAPLEX *OR* CPJE yet! And the residency fulfilled hour requirements.
Maybe it won't be as bad as I thought then...LOL...but I am still annoyed that I am having so much trouble finding a job right now.
lol. i didn't want to make my screenname something that could be traced to who I am irl via google. internet anonymity paranoia i suppose. and i couldn't think of anything else so i just picked an object on my desk -_-.
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