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This is just a guide I started to write for MPH prospectives...If you have anything to add please do so! And If you don't agree, please say so! Let's all try to compile this so that prospective students can have some definitive answers to questions that have plagued us all in the past!!

Applying to an MPH Program:

I. Am I Good Enough?

Traditionally, admissions to a good MPH program was no where as difficult as it was to apply to Medical school, but in an ever changing world with the importance of preventive healthcare and preemptive planning for health disasters has become important and in the forefront of global healthcare, the admissions criteria to Schools of Public Health have been becoming more and more difficult.

An admissions committee at a top SPH (School of Public Health) look far beyond the numbers and places an utmost importance to one's reasons for obtaining a MPH degree. You can scour the SDN forums and find that there is a huge range in GPA/GRE for students who have been accepted to some of America's top schools. What has been common to each successful applicant has been a well throughout Statement of Purpose that has conveyed their future goals as a recipient of a MPH or MHSA.

II. Numbers

Okay, you still want numbers? Well it's been widely accepted that GRE scores above a 50% average have been sufficient for acceptance into MPH programs. If you are planning to aim for the top 10 schools, it may be prudent to strive for a 75% average. The University of California (Berkeley and LA) programs have been notorious for having high requirements in terms of scores for their successful applicants, so it should be clear that this would be true for other top schools.

In terms of GPA, it's much like medical school applications. Strong grades in sciences for Epidemiology students or strong grades in economics/political science for Health Policy & Management may be important. To be safe, just do well in school. Cut offs for GPA usually start at 3.0 for most schools of public health and they seem to have a higher emphasis on the last two years of college as they are the years you as a student are most focused on a single field of study.

Numbers:
Harvard SPH - Avg. Ugrad GPA: ~3.50 Avg. GRE: ~75% in both V and Q (Ranked #1)
UC Berkeley SPH - Avg. Ugrad GPA: 3.58 Avg. GRE: 603 (83%) V 704 (78%) Q (Ranked #8)
U Minnesota SPH (Epidemiology) - Avg. Ugrad GPA: 3.44 Avg. GRE: 562 V 690 Q (Ranked #10)

**Harvard numbers from the Princeton Review, UC Berkley numbers from school website as were the numbers from U Minnesota

As You can see by the numbers above, they don't really fluctuate too much between #1 and #10. The real difference is found in your Statement of Purpose as stated above.

III. Is Prestige Important?

When you looked at undergraduate schools, what exactly were you looking for then? You were probably like most looking for a good education with a great atmosphere which would be conducive to learning. Looking for a great SPH is no different. It is much more important to choose a school that is best suited to your goals and research objectives. In the end you will be much happier for that choice and will be less likely to regret your decision for school.
On the flip side, prestige is important to a certain degree. A higher ranked school is probably better known throughout the public health academic community. Therefore an education from a more prestigious school creates opportunities to obtain jobs and garnish connections through a strong alumni network that has been in place at these schools.
Some concentrations in public health thrive on alumni prestige, Health Management and Policy being one. As alumni are a major source of internships and jobs, coming from a prestigious and highly ranked school will give students more opportunities in more lucrative positions throughout healthcare.
Regardless of prestige, it is necessary to succeed wherever you attend school and make the most of the moment. Prestige will only get you so far, but if you choose not to take the moment to succeed in the classroom, no alumni will hire you based solely on where you obtained your education.

IV. What jobs are out there for MPH/MHSA/MHA grads?


LOTS!

An MPH degree gives you the freedom to pursue many different avenues of health care throughout the world. Below is just a short list of where my friends have been employed after graduating with their MPH degree.

National Institutes of Health
Center for Disease Control
Gates Foundation
World Health Organization
United Nations
Deloitte Touche Tomatsu
Accenture
Partners Healthcare
Group Health Cooperative
Massachusetts General Hospital
Duke University
University of North Carolina

The list goes on and on…within that list you have Government, NGO, Non-profit, Consulting, Healthcare Cooperatives, Universities…the list just grows each year.

So…I'm assuming you guys want to know what kinds of Salaries and Job Placements that the average SPH grad goes into…Well, the University of Michigan SPH takes a survey of recent graduates every year. Below is a reporting from different public health concentrations. (These are salaries of recent grads taken in 2004-2005)

Biostatistics:

Salary:
Masters Degree
Mean: 50K-55K
Median: 55K-60K
Mode: 60K-65K
Range: 20K-105K

Doctorate:
Mean: 75K-80K
Median: 80K-85K
Mode: 80-85K
Range: 75K-85K

Sectors of Employment: Consulting (5%), Non-Profit (5%), Hospital (5%), Industry (11%), Academic (69%)
Highest Paid Sector: Hospital, Average being 95K

Environmental Health Sciences:
Salary:
Masters Degree
Mean: 45K-50K
Median: 40K-45K
Mode: 35K-40K
Range: 30K-95K

Doctorate:
Mean: 75K
Median: 75K
Mode: 75K
Range: 70K-80K

Sectors of Employment: Consulting (25%), Non-Profit (8%), Hospital (8%), Industry (8%), Academic (17%) Federal Agency (17%), State/Local Agency (17%)
Highest Paid Sector: Consulting, Average being 75K

Epidemiology:
Salary:
Masters Degree
Mean: 40K-45K
Median: 45K-50K
Mode: 45K-50K
Range: 20K-75K

Doctorate:
Mean: 65K-70K
Median: 55K-60K
Mode: 50-55K
Range: 35K-115K

Sectors of Employment: Local Health Dept (3%), Non-Profit (7%), Hospital (13%), Other (3%), Academic (43%) Federal Agency (17%), State/Local Agency (7%) State Health Dept (7%)
Highest Paid Sector: Federal Agency, Average being 75K

Health Behavior/Health Education:
Salary:
Masters Degree
Mean: 40K-45K
Median: 40K-45K
Mode: 40K-45K
Range: 15K-105K*

*this was one person


Doctorate:
Mean: 45K-50K
Median: 45K-50K
Mode: 45-50K
Range: 45K-50K

Sectors of Employment: Local Health Dept (4%), Non-Profit (33%), Hospital (11%), Other (11%), Academic (19%) Federal Agency (7%), State/Local Agency (11%) State Health Dept (11%) Industry (4%)
Highest Paid Sector: Industry, Average being 50K

Health Policy and Management:
Salary:
Masters Degree
Mean: 45K-50K
Median: 50K-55K
Mode: 45K-50K
Range: 30K-150K

Doctorate:
Mean: 80K-85K
Median: 85K-90K
Mode:
Range: 30K-145K

Sectors of Employment: Consulting (21%), Industry (5%), Other (7%), Federal Agency (10%), Academics (24%), State Health Dept (2%), Hospital (19%), State or County Agency (5%), Non-profit (7%)
Highest Paid Sector: Industry, Average being 80K, Consulting, Average 65K

**Courtesy of the University of Michigan SPH 2004-2005 Recent Grad Survey

As you can see, Biostatistics seemed to have the highest modal salary while Health Policy and Management had the largest range. This is simply because Biostatisticians are highly sought after by Hospitals. Health Policy and Management sees a lot of their students work for big named consulting companies and take a route that is more similar to a MBA student rather than a MPH student.

Some friends have decided to go further into academics and have decided to go into Ph.D/D.PH/Sc.D/D.Phil programs at some of the most prestigious Universities throughout the world…your options are limitless. Others have gone on to pursue their MD or JD. It's just a great degree to have.

V. Enriching Your Academic Horizons with the aide of an MPH!

In Section IV, I spoke of people continuing on with an advanced degree such as a PhD or MD. Well you're in luck if you want an MD, JD and want to study Public Health!

For an MD student, you usually have a myriad of options to obtain your MPH.
- You can obtain an MPH in 1 year between your MS3 and MS4 year.
- Obtain a fully funded MPH while in residency (Preventive Medicine)

MD students have the chance to obtain a MPH in one year as many medical school have partnerships with Schools of Public Health at their own institute (or at other institutes) which allow for a decrease in the overall number of credits necessary to gain this degree. This is also the same for those who are pursuing a JD as you can either take MPH courses for one year and then focus on law school or the other way around.

There are many students who after finishing a MPH decide to continue on to a PhD in public health or in other subjects. A MPH degree is a strong degree for anyone who is wishing to further their graduate study as the methodology of analysis is a key cornerstone in a public health degree as it is in any post-graduate study.

Will an MPH help you get into Medical School?

Yes and No. The MPH degree is a respected degree by most admissions committee members as they are now viewing the importance of preventive and population healthcare. That being said, it is not a good degree if you have questionable MCAT or GPA and it will not fix a large blemish on your academic record. In the case that you do have some deficiencies in courses such as Ochem and are looking for a backdoor entrance into Medical School, this is probably not your best bet. You will not succeed in a study that isn't something you enjoy and a MPH curriculum will be filled with classes that are geared towards students who find excitement and passion in the public health field.

VI. Part-time vs. Full-time / 1 year vs. 2 year programs


Sometimes, you find yourself in a pretty great job in the healthcare field and you may not want to commit yourself to being a resident student all over again. Well you're in luck! MPH programs can be done in a part-time capacity!

Some of the top schools in the country offer what is called OJ/OC or On Job/On Campus programs for those who are working in great jobs but wish to obtain more education in the public health field. These programs require a monthly visit (for a weekend at most and mostly at night) to fulfill this degree. Most of the courses are conducted via the internet and you will gain the same knowledge one may get with a residential masters degree.

Other part-time MPH degrees are found at school such as Johns Hopkins University, Columbia and U Penn to name a few! Just go online to a prospective school and look to see if they have these programs available!

There are many 1 year/16 month programs in the country. Most are for those who have "terminal" degrees such as a PhD/MD/JD/etc. These programs can be found at most schools of Public Health. Sometimes it is possible, with enough work experience, to get placement into these 1 year programs. There are some programs out there that allow fresh undergrads to obtain a MPH in 1 year. Dartmouth and Thomas Jefferson School of Medicine are one of the few who offer this program. In Europe, one is also able to obtain a M.Phil or M.Sc in public health at prestigious universities such as Cambridge, Oxford and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

The commonly brought up criticisms of a one year program are based around the ability to obtain enough applicable knowledge in one year to understand the complexities of specific concentrations and fields within Public Health. Therefore many schools, such as those in England and Europe, offer the M.Phil in a specific field such a Epidemiology or a broad view of Public Health. These degrees are better served as a compliment for a further D.Phil/PhD or auxiliary to an existing terminal degree.

Two year programs are more geared towards the understanding and application of specific skill sets in the different fields of Public Health. At two year programs, one has the opportunity to specialize in a certain concentration and gain the experience (through internships) and skills to start work in the field immediately after graduation. While the generalist MPH degree is useful in many aspects, in today's job market, specialization is considered to be an asset.

Either way, you will get a great education in public health and one must choose a program that is the best fit for their own goals.

VII. Experience Public Health! Before you apply that is!

Like most fields, experience is key to developing a career goal and like Medicine, Law or any other professional degree, it is probably best to take all the opportunities to learn more about Public Health. That being said, there is a huge advantage in having experiences in public health when applying to MPH programs. Most programs require some minimal experience in Public Health but there are many schools that accept students without very much experience, but this is changing.

Where do I get experience?
Well as an undergraduate you have MANY opportunities to gain experience in the field by working in labs or with profesors who are studying everything from epidemiology to health policy. There are also many summer internships available to undergraduates to get their feet wet in all areas of public health. Here are a few:

National Institutes of Health
- Summer Internship Program
- Post-Bacclauerate Intramural Research Fellowship Award (Program)
- NIH Academy (tied in with the Post- Bacc IRTA program above)
Harvard Summer Program in Global Health
ASPH Summer Internship Programs

You can find these by searching online as there are hundreds of spaces open each summer for undergraduates (and for the year, such as the NIH IRTA Program) to learn at highly respected institutions the analytical skills necessary to be a successful Public Health scientist.

VIII. Funding


So, you got into the MPH program of your dreams and now you're saying to yourself, "How am I going to pay for this?"

MPH programs don't come cheap and they can put a lot of people into pretty serious debt. Looking at the average salary coming out of a MPH program that sets a graduate at a ratio of 1:1 for Debt per year to Earnings per year.

There are a few outlets for funding, but many are limited to doctoral students.
- NIH Pre-Doctoral Fellowship
- NSF Fellowship
- EPA Grants
- Merit Scholarships
- Need-based Scholarships
- TA/RA Fellowships

The last three are the main source of funding for MPH students. These are usually given out by the school based on academic achievement and perceived potential in the field of Public Health. As further investigation is done on funding, they will be posted here with more information and who/where to contact.
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I'll be continually updating and upgrading this guide. I decided to write this as I've been fortunate to have had a lot of students/faculty members answer these questions I had as I was applying to SPH programs. If you'd like to add to this guide, please do so! It'll be a living guide for all future MPH students and I hope that sooner or later this guide will be able to serve other students who wish to follow into this noble study.
 
This is excellent. Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, did you find the average GPA's for schools online? That's one thing that schools never seem to list on their websites
 
wow thanks for putting all this together!

I am planning on going for a MPH in 2008, so this is very helpful for me. In case you are trying to branch out...some common questions that you haven't mentioned are...

1. funding
2. md/mph and mph/phd combined programs
3. part time vs. full time
4. 1 year programs vs. 2 year programs
5. MPHs in public health school vs. medical schools - how large a difference (you sort of covered this in section III)
6. any statistics on what mph grads eventually do..what percentage go to advanced degree, stay in academia, go on to gov't work, etc. if anyone could find this - i think it would be real helpful.


I don't expect you to answer all of these things, these are just some options the community could possibly lend insight to.

thanks again!!
 
updated! please add your ideas to this! let this be a living guide for those who are intrested in pursuing Public Health!
 
can this be made into a sticky??

I definitely think funding and traineeships is also another good topic to cover and probably some web sources? i'll definitely add to the guide

a good site for people exploring the field is
http://www.whatispublichealth.org/
 
This is excellent. Thanks!

Just out of curiosity, did you find the average GPA's for schools online? That's one thing that schools never seem to list on their websites

I found the Harvard GPA from looking at the Princeton Review site and the two others I was actually able to pull up from their websites.
 
This HAS to be made into a sticky as it took a lot of work and it is incredibly insightful.

I agree with the previous poster that funding should be added in here as well as the advantages/disadvantages of getting an MPH right out of Undegrad instead of obtaining work experience first ( you could probably expand on the 1 year program discussion).

Awesome work!!!!!😀
 
another update....just keep on coming with ideas and comments!
 
what kind of careers can u pursue with a preventive residency program, MD/MPH. And what are some of the salary ranges?

Thanks!

btw, great guide!!! kudos!
 
Again, fantastic stuff AdrewJ42. I wish I had something like this to read when I was applying!

I sent a PM to a forum admin to get this post as a sticky!
 
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still not a sticky! 🙁
 
That was very informative, AndrewJ42. Quick question: as far as the ranking for Public Health schools go, what are the rankings based on and where do the rankings come from?
 
Fantastic job! 👍

I really can't think of anything to add...well, I don't think you need to add this, but it's possibly helpful: when it comes to work experience, do not overlook non-health related work! Lots of people transition from other fields into health care--my friend went from architecture into health policy and management, another combined his work in journalism with biostatistics. I'm going from an industrial design background into an MHA program, and made sure to note all my work experience. Even though it wasn't all in health care, it did involve a lot of people contact, creativity, project planning, research, independent and group work, etc. Regardless of your field these are all vital skills and talents! And if you have a particularly unique goal (ie: combining architecture and health care), be sure to mention it in your personal statement or interview--you will stand out!
 
The OP mentioned that there are some undergrad programs that allow for the completion of the MPH simultaneously with an extra year -- a five year total committment. This is what I did, at USC. Applications are made in the Junior year of undergrad, by students who are persuing a B.S. in Health Promotion/Disease Prevention Studies. Some of the MPH Health Promotion Track Core courses count toward the BS required electives, thus allowing you to finish the MPH in one additional year.

The downside is you bounce around in classes and don't stay with your peers as they follow the traditional course to the MPH.
 
I would also like to offer a bit of advice as a student finishing up my MPH and trying to apply to medical school:

Make sure you are familiar with the requirements of the program before going in, particularly on the issue of the thesis. Many programs still require a thesis for graduation, and that seems to be the sticking point for many students here at the University of Texas School of Public Health. Make sure that you find out how helpful your school's advisory committees are in helping you plan, map, and complete your thesis. Many students feel like they are left to sink or swim when it comes to the thesis because their committee isn't helpful enough.
 
This is a great thread. I agree with some of the posters from last year--this is a potential sticky post!
 
I agree! Great post.
 
Great, can anyone provide a little more specific detail into the value of getting the MPH (various focuses) for MDs, maybe compared to other advanced degrees?
 
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