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I'm not gonna flame you....I'm just gonna ask you what your experiences/background is that gives you so much insight.

My creds are known....what are yours that gives you such insight?

I think what he was saying is that, because he couldn't be impartial (any moreso than JPP can coming from the other side), he forwarded the issues to the other mods in SDN so they could handle it. That way, neither he nor JPP would have a dog in the race, so to speak.

BTW, your being such an *****hole on here wouldn't fly anyplace where you weren't one of the alpha males. From my own personal experience in the military and as a professional for many years before med school, I can tell that u were/are a supreme butt-kisser to those above you, and a supreme jerk to those you think are below you.

Not that you're capable of correcting your obvious inability to provide a straight answer without deriding someone, but if you did, it would solve many of the problems that have come to light in recent days

It is one thing to be straightforward with responses. It is quite another to seem to take sadistic joy in verbally deriding people. You seem to enjoy lowering other people's self-esteem. Maybe so yours can be relatively better?

Now, you and your fellow silverback buddies go to the highest mountaintop, beat your chests, proclaim me an idiot, and express your narcissistic perfection to all of your sycophantic friends -- as has been your modus operandi. Then, when you're finished, you can have this place as your private club. I'm sure that'd be fine by you.

OK silverback neanderthals, flame away.🙄
 
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I'm not gonna flame you....I'm just gonna ask you what you're experiences/background is that gives you so much insight.

My creds are known....what are yours that gives you such insight?

I will PM you, as I don't want to give too much personal info here.
 
Yeah, but he's your buddy so I'm sure you'll bail him out.

Don't give me the crap about how long mil has been on this forum or how dedicated he is or how infrequently I post vs. mil. I don't give a flying *******. His jerkhole manner of "sharing" his knowledge is tiring to many too timid to say so.

I kept quiet for too long because I thought he may be sharing knowledge out of the desire to further anesthesiology. Now I see it is simply his version of preening in front of a mirror.

Did that all without using big fonts too . . . slim.

Sounds like you need a hug.😍

I like using fonts for emphasis.

Its OK if you dont approve. I don't care.

I'll bet you havent started your clinicals yet.....am I right?

Not every personality you run across during this long tenure of medical education is gonna light a peace pipe when you show up on their service, Dudette (I'm assuming youre a dudette).

There are some pretty rough attendings out there....

Whatcha gonna do when one of them starts breathing down your neck?

Because they will.

Your mom can't bail you out.

You see Mil as the VILLAIN here?

Great.

Most great movies have them.

As do most residencies/hospitals/private practice scenerios. Are you gonna report every villain you come across in life?

I see this forum as more of a REALITY SHOW then a forum.

Judging by the number of hits this forum receives I'd say alotta people like what we do here.

Oh, and below is a link..one of...hmmm...I dunno...MANY..... a piece of my work that confirms I'm a big d ick, and I'm here all day long chastising people, being real intimidating, right?😆

Bananaface doesnt mention the wealth of info provided here, the near-constant attending coverage here, and the...uhhhh....POPULARITY of the forum.



http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=543022
 
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I think what he was saying is that, because he couldn't be impartial (any moreso than JPP can coming from the other side), he forwarded the issues to the other mods in SDN so they could handle it. That way, neither he nor JPP would have a dog in the race, so to speak.

BTW, your being such an a s s hole on here wouldn't fly anyplace where you weren't one of the alpha males. From my own personal experience in the military and as a professional for many years before med school, I can tell that u were/are a supreme butt-kisser to those above you, and a supreme jerk to those you think are below you.

Not that you're capable of correcting your obvious inability to provide a straight answer without deriding someone, but if you did, it would solve many of the problems that have come to light in recent days

It is one thing to be straightforward with responses. It is quite another to seem to take sadistic joy in verbally deriding people. You seem to enjoy lowering other people's self-esteem. Maybe so yours can be relatively better?

Now, you and your fellow silverback buddies go to the highest mountaintop, beat your chests, proclaim me an idiot, and express your narcissistic perfection to all of your sycophantic friends -- as has been your modus operandi. Then, when you're finished, you can have this place as your private club. I'm sure that'd be fine by you.

OK silverback neanderthals, flame away.🙄

Wow, that's pretty much what I was thinking. Minus the military experience part.
 
I usually don't get involved in this lame a.. bs but I had to say that milmd you are a good dude that dosen't except any sh.t from anybody and I think it is great. 👍

Keep up the solid work.
 
Sounds like you need a hug.😍
I'll let my wife and kids do it for yah.

I'll bet you havent started your clinicals yet.....am I right?

Wrong, Clyde. Sent you a PM.
Not every personality you run across during this long tenure of medical education is gonna light a peace pipe when you show up on their service, Dudette (I'm assuming youre a dudette).

Although I am probably unable to, ahem, measure up. . .my wife can verify it is all there and fully functional.

There are some pretty rough attendings out there....

Whatcha gonna do when one of them starts breathing down your neck?

Because they will.

Your mom can't bail you out.

Already have, and I don't give a s h i t. If I got it coming, good; I'll learn from it. If they just get their kicks being jerks, karma is a b i t c h.

You see Mil as the VILLAIN here?

Nope, just unprofessional if he's presenting himself as an attending.

As do most residencies/hospitals/private practice scenerios. Are you gonna report every villain you come across in life?

Nope. Again, what goes around.

I see this forum as more of a REALITY SHOW then a forum.

Great! So the quality of information you and mil dispense is of reality show quality? While I doubt that, I will consider myself warned.
 
Intimidation and people being afraid to ask certain things isn't necessarily bad. I made a post on the FAQ section specifically about board scores and programs. I made this post b/c the original one was 4 years old and I thought things needed to be updated slightly. However, at least once a month I read a post on I have board score x, what kind of programs should I apply to or something siimilar. People need to understand that if you post something stupid w/out reading the FAQ or doing a simple search, you will get flamed. If you can't take it down't post. I'm more than OK isolating a coupla posters b/c their feeling got hurt than ruin a very good forum. I'd rather not have an open forum where the same question gets asked over and over b/c no one ever reads the FAQ or does a search.

This i believe is part of the problem, to you it may seem stupid but to a person who has never posted here before and is looking for help that can be quite ruthless. I would favor the modertors or you simply replying with a link and for everyone else to just ignore it. Have you ever asked a question on rounds that others deemed stupid? How willing were you to ask another?

I once heard a quote that if i can paraphrase , dont tell people about what you want to do in order to gain their confidence rather tell them what you have done. Basically look at the results not the promises. I am willing to bet that most posts on this forum are done by less than 5 people (especially the clinical ones). I would love to see the data on this. That info would tell me more about how willing the average joe is in posting.
 
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As one of the non-physicians non-anesthesiologists I'll put in my two cents. First I put in my first complaint today, ever, on a forum or bulletin board in probably 12 years of participating. One of the things that makes the anesthesia forum different than others is that people are willing to talk about other things. It gives a sense of family (a fairly dysfunctional one at times) that exists only here on SDN. To the person who is on the receiving end of the complaint (mine probably among many others) you messed with family. You should be ashamed.

To go back to the original question. I've been reading and occasionally participating on this forum for a couple of years. I appreciate the non-clinical as well as the clinical. To those who don't care about the non-clinical, let me introduce you to two important features of the internet. The first is called the scroll button on the mouse. It is useful for skipping over areas of discussion that you don't want to read. The second is the back button on the browser. It is usually located on the upper left hand corner. If you find yourself in a topic that you are uninterested in, you can push it and leave. If you push it twice you will be outside of the anesthesia forum.

The members of this forum have done a good job moderating the forum. They have moved the CRNA items to a separate area so that you don't have to look if you don't want. They continue to address not only clinical issues but other issues that indicate they have a life outside of the hospital. This is what makes this forum the best read in SDN. Sure I get as annoyed as anyone when Plank and MM go at it. But is mostly when two people that I have come to respect get less than professional. When that happens I resort to the two items mentioned above mr. Back button and mr. scrollwheel.

If you don't like something don't read it. But don't interfere with the enjoyment and education of those of us who want to read these items because it interferes with your worldview.

David Carpenter, PA-C
 
This i believe is part of the problem, to you it may seem stupid but to a person who has never posted here before and is looking for help that can be quite ruthless. I would favor the modertors or you simply replying with a link and for everyone else to just ignore it. Have you ever asked a question on rounds that others deemed stupid? How willing were you to ask another?

I once heard a quote that if i can paraphrase , dont tell people about what you want to do in order to gain their confidence rather tell them what you have done. Basically look at the results not the promises. I am willing to bet that most posts on this forum are done by less than 5 people (especially the clinical ones). I would love to see the data on this. That info would tell me more about how willing the average joe is in posting.

All I'm saying is that there's a certain ettiquette to go through before asking a question. This goes for any internet forum, not just SDN or the anesthesia group

1) Read the FAQ - most of the basic questions have been asked many times over and are answered in great detail. A lot of great posts have been made in much more depth than what you will get by reposting the question. This is where most med student will find answers to the common questions, what's good board score, how many places should I apply to, what are my chances, which are the good program, how much $$ questions.

2) Use the search function - If a question isn't in the FAQ, do a search to see if it's been asked before

3) If step 1 and 2 fail, then you can ask your question w/out getting roasted and you shouldn't feel intimidated to ask it.

4) If you post a clinical response, you better be able to back it up w/facts especially if you are going to tell someone else they are wrong. If you can't handle that, don't post a clinical response.

I really feel that if more people followed steps 1 and 2, a lot of the harsh criticisms and intimiation they would feel would be eliminated. On rounds, I just don't ask certain questions, especially if I know I can look it up in a textbook or uptodate pretty easily. I really can't stand those people that ask a ton of useless questions just to kiss *****, prolly why I hate rounds which might explain why I'm in anesthesia in the first place
 
Looks like were doing our annual "let's bitch about MMD" session.

Leave the forum as is, and let everyone piss all over each other. I get a kick out of the debates.
 
I claim none .........................................., p i s s poor professionalism IMO.
personal info here.


I thought your original post was great...why did you delete it? you know many have read it once you post it once...

anyways...I've said it many times....this place is for fun....it's not work.
 
Yeah, but he's your buddy so I'm sure you'll bail him out.

Don't give me the crap about how long mil has been on this forum or how dedicated he is or how infrequently I post vs. mil. I don't give a flying *******. His jerkhole manner of "sharing" his knowledge is tiring to many too timid to say so.

I kept quiet for too long because I thought he may be sharing knowledge out of the desire to further anesthesiology. Now I see it is simply his version of preening in front of a mirror.

Did that all without using big fonts too . . . slim.

I think you are missing the point point. It is because you are not dedicated to the forum and MMD is, that we could give flying f$#@ what you have to offer. Not the other way around.

Thanks for playing though. And BTW if you knew jack about anesthesia you appreciate MMD passing on pearls of wisdom and not be moaning because it's not delivered how you want it delivered....

I did Jet's classic font just for you.
 
I vote to leave it as is. Anyone who spends any time at all here knows there are some unique personalities. You just have to learn to take things with a grain of salt. While MMD can be a bit abrasive at times, I think his good far outweighs his bad. Jet likes to post in different fonts and speak in slang. Big deal. He offers a lot to the forum. While Plankton may have had an argument with MMD, he generally keeps it under control and I believe he offers a lot to the discussion as well.

I think the personalities and discussions/debates are one of the reasons the forum is so popular. As far as the comment that only a handful of people participate in the clinical discussions, I disagree. I think there is a core group of at least 30 who regularly contribute to those.

The other nice thing is that there is a LOT of knowledge here. I dare you to ask a clinical question to try and stump the people here. It won't be easy.

If you run a bunch of people off by making this a lame and boring forum, nobody wins. Nothing will satisfy everyone, but it appears that most are happy with the way it is. I am sorry that racerx and a few others may have had a bad experience. I hope that they will give it another try with an open mind. I have seen racerx participate in threads and never saw the issues he described (granted I don't read all threads).
 
Let it go banana.

Seems like there was a female non-anesthesia forum mod who tried this same touchy-feely "can't we all get along" stuff a couple years ago.

Most of us are still here - don't know where she is.

Some people just have thin skin - perhaps even some of the mods. I think one of them even said something along the lines of "time to grow up". Excellent advice.

Again, let it go.
 
While it's already been mentioned, its kind of funny to start a thread to get the timid individuals to speak out against what they feel is aggressive behavior. But let's be objective about this. Banana has already given some numbers stating that this forum gets more complaints than any other forum. Even when you look at the thread with the survey, 40% of the people who answered it agree that they are intimidated with 22% stating they don't post because of it. Sure the sample size is still small (n=~90) but do people really think its a small minority of individuals? I hope this thread isn't about taking care of some individuals because if that's the case, I

Here's one way of combating the repetitive posts asking the same question: direct them to the previous thread or just say "do a search" if you want to provide little guidance and yet still retain the ability to vocalize your annoyance with the post. If a person asks a legit question, I guess the troll meter is a little too sensitive here because people are quick to react accordingly.

I'd like to offer a few reasons as to why people post about the same question over and over again.
1. The FAQ thread doesn't make it seem as if it's up to date in fact when you look at the original post, it appears as if it hasn't been touched in 2 years. While this is not the case, I think it would be helpful to maybe add a "last updated" blurb. I've been guilty myself of ignoring some FAQ sections because of the original start date of the thread. Also, there's tons of useful threads in the FAQ but i'm too lazy to sift through them all to find out how old they are (im sure im not the only one) and if i get flamed for that, then so be it.
2. something that may be true now, may not be the case 2-3 years later. (though I think jets thread on "are you ready for PP" is one that will stand the test of time). So if some scared med student asks about his 202 and chances at anesthesia, 👎thumbdown👎 is not helpful. Just point them to a previous thread or ignore the thread. Just as much as people are suggesting that they avoid threads which they may find offensive, senior members could also do the same to thread which they find tiresome, repetitive, useless, etc.
3. People forget what they have gone through. matching can be pretty stressful (as I'm going through right now) and i think its normal for everyone to be a little neurotic wondering whether they will match or not. Yes, most match but I think individuals worry more about where they match than anything else. Anesthesia isn't like derm where you BETTER have a backup. Most people do fine ranking only anesthesia. But while this is the case, everyone thinks their case is different and thus, need a special thread addressing their concerns. Why not just let them post away. It's a lot easier sitting in the comforts of PP having had gone through the process, residency and/or fellowships, moving up the ranks to become partner and doling out advice than it is for people going through it. I personally will definitely not shy away from asking dumb questions because in the end, I'll learn from them
 
This is America. Leave your censorship in China and the Internal Med forums.
 
I thought your original post was great...why did you delete it? you know many have read it once you post it once...

anyways...I've said it many times....this place is for fun....it's not work.

Hmmm. . .I didn't delete it. Maybe it was in violation of TOS?

Nope,
On second look, if you remember I edited it because it contained personal information. I felt there was sufficient information to remove a good portion of anonymity. Therefore, I edited (not deleted) it and PM'ed you the post as I stated above.
 
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Consider this forum a form of harsh reality training.

Fact is (and I've talked about this before), there is a lot of ego in medicine. I'm no exception to that.

There are a lot of people who are also control freaks. There's a lot of knee-jerk "this person must be stupid because he/she didn't immediately 'get it' when prompted" stuff too. This field, medicine, is pretty tough, and for most residents just starting out, it's a crash course in feeling like a stupid prick most of the time. This crash course is given by nurses, respiratory techs, anesthesia techs, other residents, and attendings on a regular basis.

Why would anyone expect this forum to be any different?

Now, I'm not exactly happy with the situation, in general, that dictates the day-to-day interactions in the hospital. As I've gotten on my soapbox about it before, our internal cross-team bickering and fighting prevents us from forming a solidarity that could protect us from attacks from outside parties who prey on that weakness (trial lawyers, JCAHO, advocacy groups, etc.).

However, fact is, it's a reality. As such, it becomes easy to forget how you do something is as important as what you do. But, people learn that occassionally being intimidating gets results. We have to make critical life and death decisions all the time, and there is often more than one way to get there. Patience goes out the window. When we feel we're right in the face of opposition, we get frustrated. Frustration leads to anger. Anger leads to loose tongues, and saying stuff we normally wouldn't say to people we otherwise like and want to like us. After a while, though, your skin gets so thick that you just learn that the quickest way to make your point and not have to entertain opposing opinion, especially when you've already considered that opposing opinion, is to immediately smash it. Squashing opinion in a heavy-handed manner has its own certain economy to it. Right? Wrong? I don't know. But, medicine is not for the weak.

This is the way it is. Everyone's time is precious. We are continually expected to do more and more with less and less resources. People often don't want to spend the time (or feel the need) to explain themselves when they believe they are right. They see anyone getting in their way to what they know is the truth as an obstructionist, and often nothing more.

And, why should this forum be any different? It is a reflection of how things really work out there. Attempting to censor creates an unnecessary artificiality. It'd be like JCAHO stepping in and not really understanding the day-to-day grind, and still expecting you change. That's the key: not really understanding.

Forums aren't reality. They reflect reality, though. And, it's generally a "safe" place for people to say normally what they wouldn't say. Yes, the whole "alpha male" thing exists here. But, you know what? It exists in the real world too. And, if you recognize who those alpha males are, you have a golden opportunity to learn (without much recourse or personal neck-on-the-line) how to effectively deal with them here.

So, I guess I'd say leave things as they are. There are dominant personalities out there. And, guess what? Many of those dominant personalities are smarter than you. They're not always going to tolerate what they perceive to be stupidity. To that, I'd say the following:

1) Think before you post (you'll be expected to do this on the wards, too).
2) Learn how to "manage" your own language and presentation to minimize harsh reactions (you'll be expected to do this on the wards, too).
3) Recognize the difficult personalities as an opportunity to learn, and you'll have a much smoother time.
4) No one can argue against facts.
5) Anyone can argue against opinion.
6) If you're funny and well-spoken and present a logical argument in going up against the "big dogs", you're going to get noticed.
7) You have a unique opportunity to practice here without any real fear of reprisal. Use that opportunity. Censor the forum and you lose that.

You heavily moderate this forum, and you ruin the chance to get some real-life experience in a relatively safe environment. Don't divulge too much personal information (even in PM's) unless you really trust someone here, and even then be careful. And, you can pretty much speak your mind. This forum is a great outlet full of a ton of useful information. If you censor it, you lose that. And, that would be truly unfortunate.

-copro
 
I think you are missing the point point. It is because you are not dedicated to the forum and MMD is, that we could give flying f$#@ what you have to offer. Not the other way around.

Thanks for playing though. And BTW if you knew jack about anesthesia you appreciate MMD passing on pearls of wisdom and not be moaning because it's not delivered how you want it delivered....

I did Jet's classic font just for you.

I realize it is fun to jump on the old bandwagon and attack someone for no real reason. I also realize that you are merely a noob around here.
 
Between me and you, banana, I think this is all crap that is being stirred up by our megalomaniac friend (plank)...who is unhappy with the forum because it is not what HE wants it to be.

This is not true. He is merely facilitating a discussion that was prompted for other reasons.
 
Well. Like a giant pimple, the origins of this thread have come to a head. 🙂 I imagine one hot-headed, vocal med student shouldn't be too much of a speedbump in the day-to-day operations of this forum. That guy posting more often or keep Mil? Mil plz.
 
It may not be pretty, but I think these guys have been around long enough, and been in this forum long enough, to arrive at a status quo. Let's leave that alone. If they can handle it, we can handle it. Leave the forum alone. Mods, there's nothing to see here! All is well!!!!!
 
As many of you may have noticed from the other thread, there are some current issues surrounding the moderation style of this particular forum.

Historically, the area mod staff have been trusted to choose the most appropriate style for the area. Over the last few years the "anything goes" style has been prevalent. It has become apparent in retrospect that the "anything goes" style and lack of active moderation was an open and unattended door for CRNA trolls. During that time there were occasional but persistent complaints that made their way to non-Anesthesia staff, but we were assured that the vast majority of users liked the status-quo.

It is becoming apparent as of late that the desire for a more moderated environment is growing and that there are some new issues coming up, where users who belong here are saying that they come onto the boards as new residents or med students and are basically intimidated into not wanting to participate. From what I have been told, some of them have been chewed out directly while others just read the board discussion and don't want to be a part of it because they are sure that they will get bashed. In the past, most complaints centered around language or simple personal squabbles.

That said, I'd like to open the door for a discussion. I want to know what you like and what you dislike about this forum. What could be done to improve your experience? What is happening now that you don't want to see stop? Once we know what the issues and opinions are, we can work together to figure out what the best balance is for everyone and how we should work to achieve that balance.

All opinions are welcome in this thread. Disagreement is welcome too, but please keep it respectful. Everyone needs to be able to say their peace.

The only harsh treatment of newcomers that I've witnessed is when there's a strong, strong suspician that they may be a troll. This is not unique to the anesthesiology forum, by no means.

Intimidated?? Come on. I don't think this forum is anywhere near as intolerant of off the wall questions or ones in which a quick search of the sticky's could answer as some of the other professional forums.

Also, we need to keep in mind that this is a specialty forum. For some of the less mature and more diverse questions, there's always allo or osteo etc.
 
Good questions.

This is the only forum within the academic area of SDN (read: outside of the unmoderated Lounge areas) that has regularly generated user complaints about moderation-style decisions over the past few years. I'm not always the one getting the complaint and our staff kind of gave up on passing complaints on for awhile, so I can't simply count them up. The conservative ballpark would be once or twice a month on average. Distribution would be maybe every 6-8 weeks with a few spurts in there for periods of unrest. Most other areas get no complaints. Probably 2-3 per year for all of the other areas combined is normal. And, we adjust per user input and move on when that happens.

In terms of direct-to-area-staff member complaints that are not addressed, we average one reported post every 3 days. 85% of those would be actionable by regular forum standards. In the past 2 years the area staff have issued 7 infractions. 3 of those were bans that later got reversed because someone was incorrectly thought to be a CRNA troll. There were about 14 other infractions by non-area staff, mostly troll bans.

Sorry. It took awhile to compile the information requested.


Could we offset this simply by sending you PMs about how much we love this forum, and like the way it's being moderated?? It sounds like a few, perhaps consistent whiners that are attempting (if you let them, and that's an important point) to ruin a good thing.

So, tell me. How many of us would it take to make our opinions known about this forum, in the affirmative sense?? Would we balance it out with a different poster sending you a PM 4 times/month? 8 times per month?? This is getting silly.

There will always be people, for whatever reason, and not to exclude social maladjustment, that would wish to rain on the parade.

This is THE only forum that I, as a medical student, regularly frequent. You should see some of the posts on Allo, for example. The REASON I avoid it is because of all of the "why do I feel eveyone is out to get me...." type threads. It's like kindergarten.
 
Yeah, but he's your buddy so I'm sure you'll bail him out.

Don't give me the crap about how long mil has been on this forum or how dedicated he is or how infrequently I post vs. mil. I don't give a flying *******. His jerkhole manner of "sharing" his knowledge is tiring to many too timid to say so.

I kept quiet for too long because I thought he may be sharing knowledge out of the desire to further anesthesiology. Now I see it is simply his version of preening in front of a mirror.

Did that all without using big fonts too . . . slim.

Dude! So much for embracing diversity. I frequently disagree with MilMD's views. But, who cares?? It spices things up. I like the diversity of characters on this forum. It's part of what makes it unique.

Also, on a forum like this, it's very hard to tell if someone is joking or not. For all we know, Mil enjoys stiring up the post and playing the devils advocate on certain issues. So what? Get over it.
 
Let it go banana.

Seems like there was a female non-anesthesia forum mod who tried this same touchy-feely "can't we all get along" stuff a couple years ago.

Most of us are still here - don't know where she is.

Some people just have thin skin - perhaps even some of the mods. I think one of them even said something along the lines of "time to grow up". Excellent advice.

Again, let it go.


Hey Jet! You remember HER don't you??
 

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Could we offset this simply by sending you PMs about how much we love this forum, and like the way it's being moderated?? It sounds like a few, perhaps consistent whiners that are attempting (if you let them, and that's an important point) to ruin a good thing.

So, tell me. How many of us would it take to make our opinions known about this forum, in the affirmative sense?? Would we balance it out with a different poster sending you a PM 4 times/month? 8 times per month?? This is getting silly.

There will always be people, for whatever reason, and not to exclude social maladjustment, that would wish to rain on the parade.

This is THE only forum that I, as a medical student, regularly frequent. You should see some of the posts on Allo, for example. The REASON I avoid it is because of all of the "why do I feel eveyone is out to get me...." type threads. It's like kindergarten.

👍👍👍

Sorry for not adding any content but I couldn't have said it better myself.

How many times do the med students and residents on this forum who do not regularly contribute have to PM bannanaface with lavish praise of the status quo to offset these "complaints". 😛
 
seriously, don't indulge cry babies here. its an internet forum, you can ask a question if you want, nobody is going to get hurt. if you make this forum boring, then all is lost.

would you prefer it to be like the internal medicine forum, which is boring and nobody either cares to ask or answer a question?

Honestly for every 1 person who complains, there are 3 people stimulated by the characters and interested enough to look through the FAQ's and posts. Do you want to lose the 3 just to save the one?
 
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I'm a big fan of this forum. Could it improve? Sure, but we need to be careful about preserving the good that does exist here. MMD was a thorn in the side of the military forums for years, but he did bring out facts into the open, which was important to many. (I still think his style resembles "the guy who enjoys seeing the look on little kids' faces as he breaks it to them that Santa really doesn't exist", but that's just me).

On a side note (and I love his contribution and dedication to this forum) but is anyone else distracted from JPP's posts by his style? I have flashbacks to the works of Miller and Moore:

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And to Copro, re:"It is a reflection of how things really work out there": You already were chipping away at own your main point by stating forums aren't reality. Is the goal really to make a tv reality show out of this forum? I'd wager it'll be as hard as trying to perform better in bed by watching internet porn. Most of this stuff is better "learned the hard way" in the field, although having an information source, like this forum, helps take the edge off the bad situations.
 
Please don't change the anesthesia forum. First of all, it's a fantastic resource the way it is, and I think that's because of the people who currently frequent the forum. If you change the rules, get different regulars, it might not be so cool and entertaining. Can it be rough in there? Sure. But I think that keeps the number of idiotic "what step I score do I need" threads down and also keeps it entertaining.

Also, I don't really feel that the Anesthesia forum is any more hostile to newcomers than Surgery, but maybe that's just me. Obviously medicine's not a field for the thin-skinned.
 
So I'm a big time lurker here and I just wanted to weigh in with my vote to keep this forum as it is (also in reference to Mil's thread about lurkers.)

I personally don't really post here. Not because I feel intimidated, but just because I'm third year med student and don't have any real clinical experience to share. I just like to listen and learn. And if I have a question, I'll check the FAQ first. That's what it's there for. But I really enjoy the different perspectives that the regulars bring to the table. About anesthesia, booze, guns, and everything else.... If you don't want to read something, no one's forcing you to.

And if you're too "intimidated" to post on an anonymous internet message board, then you'll probably never make it through the second half of med school, let alone residency and beyond...
 
So I'm a big time lurker here and I just wanted to weigh in with my vote to keep this forum as it is (also in reference to Mil's thread about lurkers.)

I personally don't really post here. Not because I feel intimidated, but just because I'm third year med student and don't have any real clinical experience to share. I just like to listen and learn. And if I have a question, I'll check the FAQ first. That's what it's there for. But I really enjoy the different perspectives that the regulars bring to the table. About anesthesia, booze, guns, and everything else.... If you don't want to read something, no one's forcing you to.

And if you're too "intimidated" to post on an anonymous internet message board, then you'll probably never make it through the second half of med school, let alone residency and beyond...

Hey I know you have to have at least some booze experience that you can share 😀
 
I'm still waiting for a response back on how many PM's supporting this forum would it take to balance out, or overcome, the negative ones you suggest are sufficient enough to become problematic.

One thing about this forum is that we'll work together. Just let us know the number, and we'll make it happen that you get a different PM in the affirmative as frequently as it takes. But, you need to tell us this, publicly, so that even the lurkers that love this forum can have the opportunity to participate.

This way, a few, yet perhaps vocal, whiners don't set the stage for some grand falling out between the greater administrative community and our mods on the anesthesiology forum.

Not being antagonistic here, but perhaps you understand my point. That is, the thousands of regulars as well as very infrequent posters but regular readers that love this place may not unjustly suffer at the hands of what really still sounds like a minority of people.
 
I'm still waiting for a response back on how many PM's supporting this forum would it take to balance out, or overcome, the negative ones you suggest are sufficient enough to become problematic.

One thing about this forum is that we'll work together. Just let us know the number, and we'll make it happen that you get a different PM in the affirmative as frequently as it takes. But, you need to tell us this, publicly, so that even the lurkers that love this forum can have the opportunity to participate.

This way, a few, yet perhaps vocal, whiners don't set the stage for some grand falling out between the greater administrative community and our mods on the anesthesiology forum.

Not being antagonistic here, but perhaps you understand my point. That is, the thousands of regulars as well as very infrequent posters but regular readers that love this place may not unjustly suffer at the hands of what really still sounds like a minority of people.

I think it would be appropriate as well for Bananaface to return with a rebuttal to the thread she started here, and to her quote that this "is a forum in denial."
 
I think SDN mods need to be careful to not be viewed as enforcing censorship. If people think that their posts will have to first be reviewed or later deleted because it will offend some thin skinned person like they do on allnurses.com, then people will either stop posting or they will frequent other free speech friendly sites. How hard is to whip up a website like SDN? Not that hard. But the attraction of SDN are the members posting, not the site itself. There's already a forum dedicated to only physicians at sermo.com, but it requires verification.
 
I think SDN mods need to be careful to not be viewed as enforcing censorship. If people think that their posts will have to first be reviewed or later deleted because it will offend some thin skinned person like they do on allnurses.com, then people will either stop posting or they will frequent other free speech friendly sites. How hard is to whip up a website like SDN? Not that hard. But the attraction of SDN are the members posting, not the site itself. There's already a forum dedicated to only physicians at sermo.com, but it requires verification.

No one is remotely talking about censorship in the manner that some would portray it in this thread. We are just trying to settle things out a bit because there are a regular number of complaints about this forum. I ain't sayin' its right or wrong, I'm just sayin', that's all.

I seriously doubt anyone could "whip up" a website like SDN. SDN took about 10 years to get where it is now and is still growing. The founder, Lee, probably worked on it some time prior to it's launch I would imagine.

I am a member of sermo and while there are some threads that can be informative, it doesn't even come close to SDN (nor does any other website, for that matter IMHO).

I will type more on this later after I get some sleep.
 
My honest impression is that this is a forum in denial.

😱😱😱 WTF?
People get flames when they need to be flamed.
Heated discussions it's all good: anesthesia is an art and everyone has his style a lot can be learned from both sides of an argument.

KEEP THIS FORUM AS IT IS 👍
 
I think some people on this forum come across as jerks, and are way overly harsh on the medical students and interns. They are a big reason why forums like this exist, so I don't see how it pays to act like jerks and do all the namecalling that goes on. Some might find it entertaining though...I guess they do. People also watch "reality TV" and crane their necks when driving by a wreck on the highway too...you guys don't want this forum to become like the Jerry Springer Show. The key is some balance I would think.

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I honestly don't think this forum is nearly as bad as some of you are making it out to be. I would really like to see a post where somebody was called a name other than "Slim."

I'm in the "leave the forum the way it is" camp. If absolutely necessary, maybe you should create a moderated subforum that can censored into obscurity, but leave the main anesthesiology forum as it is - a rich resource full of clinical knowledge and colorful characters.
 
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Thanks to the members that have publicly and privately expressed their opinions on the forum.

We are always looking at ways to improve the SDN forums. Based on the significant member input, we feel this forum is working well.

We acknowledge that there are certainly a few members here with strong viewpoints and posting styles which other members can find annoying, but (at least in my opinion) those differences can and should be worked-out among the members of the forum.

Of course, for those who absolutely cannot stand another member, the 'ignore' feature is always available.

I support the work that the moderators do here. They provide valuable help and education for 100s of SDN members -- and beyond that, they are genuinely good people.
 
We acknowledge that there are certainly a few members here with strong viewpoints and posting styles which other members can find annoying, but (at least in my opinion) those differences can and should be worked-out among the members of the forum.
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I support the work that the moderators do here. They provide valuable help and education for 100s of SDN members -- and beyond that, they are genuinely good people.



:clap: Thanks for being level-headed about this, Lee...It's nice to have an admin who recognizes a good thing when he sees one!
 
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