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EternalMD said:
While it's already been mentioned, its kind of funny to start a thread to get the timid individuals to speak out against what they feel is aggressive behavior. But let's be objective about this. Banana has already given some numbers stating that this forum gets more complaints than any other forum. Even when you look at the thread with the survey, 40% of the people who answered it agree that they are intimidated with 22% stating they don't post because of it. Sure the sample size is still small (n=~90) but do people really think its a small minority of individuals? I hope this thread isn't about taking care of some individuals because if that's the case, I

Here's one way of combating the repetitive posts asking the same question: direct them to the previous thread or just say "do a search" if you want to provide little guidance and yet still retain the ability to vocalize your annoyance with the post. If a person asks a legit question, I guess the troll meter is a little too sensitive here because people are quick to react accordingly.

I'd like to offer a few reasons as to why people post about the same question over and over again.
1. The FAQ thread doesn't make it seem as if it's up to date in fact when you look at the original post, it appears as if it hasn't been touched in 2 years. While this is not the case, I think it would be helpful to maybe add a "last updated" blurb. I've been guilty myself of ignoring some FAQ sections because of the original start date of the thread. Also, there's tons of useful threads in the FAQ but i'm too lazy to sift through them all to find out how old they are (im sure im not the only one) and if i get flamed for that, then so be it.
2. something that may be true now, may not be the case 2-3 years later. (though I think jets thread on "are you ready for PP" is one that will stand the test of time). So if some scared med student asks about his 202 and chances at anesthesia, 👎thumbdown👎 is not helpful. Just point them to a previous thread or ignore the thread. Just as much as people are suggesting that they avoid threads which they may find offensive, senior members could also do the same to thread which they find tiresome, repetitive, useless, etc.
3. People forget what they have gone through. matching can be pretty stressful (as I'm going through right now) and i think its normal for everyone to be a little neurotic wondering whether they will match or not. Yes, most match but I think individuals worry more about where they match than anything else. Anesthesia isn't like derm where you BETTER have a backup. Most people do fine ranking only anesthesia. But while this is the case, everyone thinks their case is different and thus, need a special thread addressing their concerns. Why not just let them post away. It's a lot easier sitting in the comforts of PP having had gone through the process, residency and/or fellowships, moving up the ranks to become partner and doling out advice than it is for people going through it. I personally will definitely not shy away from asking dumb questions because in the end, I'll learn from them
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Agreed with you dude.
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Yes, it gets more complaints, but it also gets more traffic. I suspect the greater traffic partly explains away the greater complaint number. Either way, it would be a mistake to ruin this forum to protect some fragile egos. I vote leave it alone.
 
Thanks for the concern, but we are doing just fine.

Anyone is free to post without retribution, and that is what makes our forum unique.

bananaface said:
As many of you may have noticed from the other thread, there are some current issues surrounding the moderation style of this particular forum.

Historically, the area mod staff have been trusted to choose the most appropriate style for the area. Over the last few years the "anything goes" style has been prevalent. It has become apparent in retrospect that the "anything goes" style and lack of active moderation was an open and unattended door for CRNA trolls. During that time there were occasional but persistent complaints that made their way to non-Anesthesia staff, but we were assured that the vast majority of users liked the status-quo.

It is becoming apparent as of late that the desire for a more moderated environment is growing and that there are some new issues coming up, where users who belong here are saying that they come onto the boards as new residents or med students and are basically intimidated into not wanting to participate. From what I have been told, some of them have been chewed out directly while others just read the board discussion and don't want to be a part of it because they are sure that they will get bashed. In the past, most complaints centered around language or simple personal squabbles.

That said, I'd like to open the door for a discussion. I want to know what you like and what you dislike about this forum. What could be done to improve your experience? What is happening now that you don't want to see stop? Once we know what the issues and opinions are, we can work together to figure out what the best balance is for everyone and how we should work to achieve that balance.

All opinions are welcome in this thread. Disagreement is welcome too, but please keep it respectful. Everyone needs to be able to say their peace.
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Can you do an age check on people complaining about their feelings being hurt? I think under-18 kids should stick to www.disney.com.

bananaface said:
Yeah, I saw the greeting up-thread. :meanie:

I'm just telling you all what has come through in complaints. Having a few key players being welcoming of outsiders is a good thing, but it's apparently not enough to set the tone for the forum. What I often here is "Oh, I can't go in there. I'll get eaten alive." And, this is from people who are from all stages of practice, not just unseasoned people in early practice.

My honest impression is that this is a forum in denial. Most people like things the way they are and they don't want them to change. I get that. I respect that. But, I am also concerned when complaints come through that indicate to me that the majority base, intentions aside, has made many people who belong here feel unwelcome. For the past couple of years the staff has told the admins that those who don't like the way things are is a teeny tiny minority. So, we let it go. But, it is now obvious that the proportion of people who have a beef with the way things are going is WAY higher than we believed. What I am not convinced of at this point in time is that the things that the community rallies around and loves are the same things that turn others off.
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I just saw the count and right now theres

70 Viewers.

😱

Thanks for all the interest and support under heavy fire, everyone.👍
 
I'm an MSII, and infrequent poster. I only read the Anesthesia forum BECAUSE it doesn't consist entirely of the "I'm in my first day of Anatomy, I hate medicine" or the "how many hours a day do you study" threads in the Allo forum. Yes, some of the personalities are a little abbrasive, but it makes me look in the FAQ's rather than post something I can easily find somewhere else. BEcause of that, the general content is pretty interesting (at least to a med student). Sure, I don't really follow most of the in depth clinical discusssions, but as I progress in my training, they make more sense than they did last year or before medschool. As long as certain posters can be civil, then things are ok in the status quo. MY $0.02
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i'm a hospitalist fresh out of residency, and i check out this forum more than my own (internal medicine). why, because people tend to keep it real, there are posts about things other than cases, the cases presented are interesting, and there seems to be a large variety of opinion. to me, that's worth the repeated viewership for me.

hopefully the complaints are looked at in relation to new threads and traffic, as a sort of gauge of percentage. the traffic here seems high, and it seems as though there's much more involvement here than other specialty forums... so i would think it wouldn't be unexpected to have some complaining.

you can't make all of the people happy all of the time, but you for damn sure can make some of the people happy some of the time. right now, it seems that some of the people are happy.
 
geogil said:
I'm an MSII, and infrequent poster. I only read the Anesthesia forum BECAUSE it doesn't consist entirely of the "I'm in my first day of Anatomy, I hate medicine" or the "how many hours a day do you study" threads in the Allo forum. Yes, some of the personalities are a little abbrasive, but it makes me look in the FAQ's rather than post something I can easily find somewhere else. BEcause of that, the general content is pretty interesting (at least to a med student). Sure, I don't really follow most of the in depth clinical discusssions, but as I progress in my training, they make more sense than they did last year or before medschool. As long as certain posters can be civil, then things are ok in the status quo. MY $0.02
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MSIII here, but I swear to God it would not shock me to see a "how many times per day do you guys change yer diaper" thread in the Allo forum.....:laugh:
 
I guess the one thing I would say could be slightly modified, is the whole "check the FAQ's thing". It's really annoying to check through pages of information to find a specific piece of info you're looking for, and then not be able to find it. I think if the poster asked a reasonable question, and isn't just a complete lifestyle seeker, then throw him a small bone as far as an answer to his question rather than just check the FAQ's.
 
elwademd said:
i'm a hospitalist fresh out of residency, and i check out this forum more than my own (internal medicine). why, because people tend to keep it real, there are posts about things other than cases, the cases presented are interesting, and there seems to be a large variety of opinion. to me, that's worth the repeated viewership for me.

hopefully the complaints are looked at in relation to new threads and traffic, as a sort of gauge of percentage. the traffic here seems high, and it seems as though there's much more involvement here than other specialty forums... so i would think it wouldn't be unexpected to have some complaining.

you can't make all of the people happy all of the time, but you for damn sure can make some of the people happy some of the time. right now, it seems that some of the people are happy.
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ditto. except i'd say most are pretty happy. it's a culture in here. not as overbearing as some make it seem.
 
this is BY far the best forum on SDN, in terms of REALLY giving people a clue about anesthesia, ability to vent, discuss cases, etc. it is BY far the forum with most visitors on SDN - likely why it has the most "complaints"

to those afraid and intimidated by posting on an ANONYMOUS forum: i'm not sure how you get up in the morning and face the real world...
just post, and take the heat - especially if you're posting on a topic with a sticky in place....

also, don't bite the hand that feeds you people. you want the real deal advice, etc, then don't tell people who dispense it how to do so...

as an old member of this forum i would like to ask bananaface to go away. i have enough of "administration" at work.
 
Jeff05 said:
this is BY far the best forum on SDN, in terms of REALLY giving people a clue about anesthesia, ability to vent, discuss cases, etc. it is BY far the forum with most visitors on SDN - likely why it has the most "complaints"

to those afraid and intimidated by posting on an ANONYMOUS forum: i'm not sure how you get up in the morning and face the real world...
just post, and take the heat - especially if you're posting on a topic with a sticky in place....

also, don't bite the hand that feeds you people. you want the real deal advice, etc, then don't tell people who dispense it how to do so...

as an old member of this forum i would like to ask bananaface to go away. i have enough of "administration" at work.
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def the best forum for venting. 🙂

honestly though, it is the best. most forums with personalities turn into a monkey s hit fight. this one also has the best clinical vignettes by far. an unbeatable combination.

In fact, I've learned so much about anesthesia just by reading here, I intubated my dog the other day and ran him on the vent for about 30 minutes. IT'S THAT GOOD.
 
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radslooking said:
def the best forum for venting. 🙂

honestly though, it is the best. most forums with personalities turn into a monkey s hit fight. this one also has the best clinical vignettes by far. an unbeatable combination.

In fact, I've learned so much about anesthesia just by reading here, I intubated my dog the other day and ran him on the vent for about 30 minutes. IT'S THAT GOOD.
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Now why on earth would you do something like that?
 
Originally Posted by radslooking
def the best forum for venting. 🙂

"honestly though, it is the best. most forums with personalities turn into a monkey s hit fight. this one also has the best clinical vignettes by far. an unbeatable combination.

In fact, I've learned so much about anesthesia just by reading here, I intubated my dog the other day and ran him on the vent for about 30 minutes. IT'S THAT GOOD."

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That's the most inane thing that I have ever heard.

Let’s hope that it is your unsuccessful attempt at being jocular.
 
oh for crying out loud people, that was a joke! where the hell would i get a ventilator? a garage sale?
 
radslooking said:
oh for crying out loud people, that was a joke! where the hell would i get a ventilator? a garage sale?
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That is totally hilarious. Not only the comment about the dog, but the fact that people think you are serious. Don't worry rads, some of us appreciate your humor.

Ender
 
This thread is already too long for me to red. Can I have some Cliff Notes?
 
G4 BOS said:
Originally Posted by radslooking
def the best forum for venting. 🙂

"honestly though, it is the best. most forums with personalities turn into a monkey s hit fight. this one also has the best clinical vignettes by far. an unbeatable combination.

In fact, I've learned so much about anesthesia just by reading here, I intubated my dog the other day and ran him on the vent for about 30 minutes. IT'S THAT GOOD."

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That's the most inane thing that I have ever heard.

Let’s hope that it is your unsuccessful attempt at being jocular.
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Let's hope you sprout a sense of humor near the end of puberty.
 
urge said:
This thread is already too long for me to red. Can I have some Cliff Notes?
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Sure, it's been going like this:

Person 1: "You suck!"

Person 2: "No you suck!"

Person 3: "You all suck!"

Person 1 and 2: ".... now YOU suck."

... repeat for 3 pages.

Then jeremy piven walks in that says "hug it out bitches"
 
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Please remember to lock this thread on your way out. Thanks.
 
Sort of leaves a bad taste in my mouth that SDN administration comes in declaring a need to determine the current health of this forum, makes a personal declaration that this is a forum in denial, and does not return when proven overwhelmingly wrong. It sort of wreaks of "I came wanting change, and when I was proven wrong I took my ball and went home", which would surprise me to know that SDN administration operated in that manner, but it seems to be the case. Bananaface has made 15 posts since her last post here.
 
I find the clinical posts here fantastic, the only thing I really do not like (as if someone will care) is the CRNA debates. Here people feel free to talk a lot of smack and be pretty rude about a profession they know little about. My .02.
 
isoman2000 said:
I find the clinical posts here fantastic, the only thing I really do not like (as if someone will care) is the CRNA debates. Here people feel free to talk a lot of smack and be pretty rude about a profession they know little about. My .02.
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You're absolutely right - no one will care.

It's amazing to me that some CRNA's come here expecting hugs and kisses and are then amazed when that doesn't happen. And then what happens? They run back to allnurses.com or nurse-anesthesia.org and whine about the big bad folks over at SDN, and then on those boards, spout a level of vitriole that easily matches or exceeds anything found here. That's why the CRNA debates get their own separate section.

Your assertion that people here are making comments "about a profession they know little about" is absurd. Most know more than they want to know, hence the intolerance for trolling CRNA's..
 
Southpaw said:
Sort of leaves a bad taste in my mouth that SDN administration comes in declaring a need to determine the current health of this forum, makes a personal declaration that this is a forum in denial, and does not return when proven overwhelmingly wrong. It sort of wreaks of "I came wanting change, and when I was proven wrong I took my ball and went home", which would surprise me to know that SDN administration operated in that manner, but it seems to be the case. Bananaface has made 15 posts since her last post here.
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There is no real reason for administration to continue posting here. I'm not quite sure what you're looking for - perhaps you were misinterpreting the purpose of this thread.

We created this thread because multiple users were complaining, and we wanted to hear from users of this forum, and also wanted to get it out there, so to speak, so that others can be aware of this. There is no "proving us wrong" since we really have no axe to grind in this manner other than trying to make sure this forum is being used appropriately and as many people feel comfortable using it as possible. I think, personally, a lot of good points have been raised in this thread and hopefully people have enjoyed the opportunity to say their piece. When we get complaints it's sometimes hard to tell whether they are truly a minority viewpoint or they are representative of a larger group.

I realize that it makes everyone feel better a lot to have everything as an "us vs them" mentality but this really isn't true. This is clearly a popular forum and many many people value it, in large part because of some of the unique characteristics of it.

The only real issue we had is that we want to make sure that people who want to post here feel comfortable posting here. I mean really, this is not our (admin) forum. This forum also doesn't belong to a handful of frequent posters here. It doesn't belong to trolls. It belongs to people interested in anesthesiology and others who want to post here. Our job is to simply try to keep things as civil as possible and keep objectionable things like spam ads, porno, trolls, etc, out of it. No one wants to stifle any discussions.
 
yaah said:
We created this thread because multiple users were complaining, and we wanted to hear from users of this forum, and also wanted to get it out there, so to speak, so that others can be aware of this.
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There was already a thread addressing this by Plankton. If the only goal of SDN administration was to determine whether or not med students felt comfortable enough to post, you simply could've monitored that thread.

yaah said:
I realize that it makes everyone feel better a lot to have everything as an "us vs them" mentality but this really isn't true.
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Again, I believe bananaface created this mentality. She created a thread addressing an issue Plankton had already raised. She gave her personal declaration that this is a forum in denial. As a medical student who is going into Anesthesiology and learns a great deal from this forum, both acts were offensive to me. I'm only left to wonder, if you truly were simply hoping to gain information in an objective manner, why 1) you didn't simply monitor the thread created by Plankton and 2) keep your personal opinions to yourself (if again, you were simply gathering information objectively.
 
Yaah,

I understand your point and appreciate your response. I'm not trying to be argumentative, so I'll stop here. I was just giving the opinion of one single medical student observer. Thanks.
 
yaah said:
There is no real reason for administration to continue posting here. I'm not quite sure .......................here. Our job is to simply try to keep things as civil as possible and keep objectionable things like spam ads, porno, trolls, etc, out of it. No one wants to stifle any discussions.
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ohh crap...that was going to be my next thread.....which porn star would be the hardest or easiest to intubate.
 
Wait, let me get this straight. You guys have a porn star laying down in front of you and you are thinking about intubating her? REALLY!

You guys are twisted.
 
Noyac said:
Wait, let me get this straight. You guys have a porn star laying down in front of you and you are thinking about intubating her? REALLY!

You guys are twisted.
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um, yeah 😉




Main Entry:
in·tu·ba·tion Listen to the pronunciation of intubation
Pronunciation:
\ˌin-(&#716😉tü-ˈbā-shən, -(&#716😉tyü-, -tə-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1887

: the introduction of a tube into a hollow organ


per Merriam-Webster online
 
I do not expect hugs and kisses, sorry yall are not my type, as in for profession I mean MY EDUCATION, my ABILITIES, mY CLINICAL ABILITIES. clearly they know a lot about anesthesia, the buisness side, the clinical side etc, etc.
I do not feel compelled to say that AA's are bad providers or are incompetent or any other broad deginirating statment, why, I did not have thier education, same as for an anesthesiologist, Hugs and kisees no, just civility.
Do you JWK REALLY think that them way some of these people spak is the way they speak in real life? Or do you think that in the saftey of the internet they just mouth off? Would you put up with a sectiomn called "Bloated AA salaries", You say that your reimbursment is on par with a CRNA's, so I guess your salary is "bloated" to.
How about that thread "do we need the anesthesiologist" pretty insulting what makes anyone think the other threads are less insulting?
No, No hugfs and kisses, just civility.
 
isoman2000 said:
I do not expect hugs and kisses, sorry yall are not my type, as in for profession I mean MY EDUCATION, my ABILITIES, mY CLINICAL ABILITIES. clearly they know a lot about anesthesia, the buisness side, the clinical side etc, etc.
I do not feel compelled to say that AA's are bad providers or are incompetent or any other broad deginirating statment, why, I did not have thier education, same as for an anesthesiologist, Hugs and kisees no, just civility.
Do you JWK REALLY think that them way some of these people spak is the way they speak in real life? Or do you think that in the saftey of the internet they just mouth off? Would you put up with a sectiomn called "Bloated AA salaries", You say that your reimbursment is on par with a CRNA's, so I guess your salary is "bloated" to.
How about that thread "do we need the anesthesiologist" pretty insulting what makes anyone think the other threads are less insulting?
No, No hugfs and kisses, just civility.
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If you are trying to start a discussion about the CRNA issue I strongly suggest that you do that in the area that is dedicated for that specific subject.
This is a forum for physicians and medical students, every one else is welcome as long as they don't come with poisonous political agendas or start trolling (which appears to be your situation).
If you want to start an anti physician discussion then your friends on allnurses.com will be the right people to have that discussion with not us.
 
isoman2000 said:
Here people feel free to talk a lot of smack and be pretty rude about a profession they know little about. My .02.
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This is the student DOCTOR network. I am sorry if you don't like the tone of some of our posts. Many of us know plenty about your profession and we will express them on this site as we please.
 
isoman2000 said:
I do not expect hugs and kisses, sorry yall are not my type, as in for profession I mean MY EDUCATION, my ABILITIES, mY CLINICAL ABILITIES. clearly they know a lot about anesthesia, the buisness side, the clinical side etc, etc.
I do not feel compelled to say that AA's are bad providers or are incompetent or any other broad deginirating statment, why, I did not have thier education, same as for an anesthesiologist, Hugs and kisees no, just civility.
Do you JWK REALLY think that them way some of these people spak is the way they speak in real life? Or do you think that in the saftey of the internet they just mouth off? Would you put up with a sectiomn called "Bloated AA salaries", You say that your reimbursment is on par with a CRNA's, so I guess your salary is "bloated" to.
How about that thread "do we need the anesthesiologist" pretty insulting what makes anyone think the other threads are less insulting?
No, No hugfs and kisses, just civility.
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Do you really speak (or is it spak) this way in real life. NO wonder you couldn't get into Medical School.

I'm not sure where you come from or how you managed to change the topic to a crna vs doctor thread but be glad I am no longer a moderator. You can thank Lee for that one.
 
Coastie said:
Thanks for the concern, but we are doing just fine.

Anyone is free to post without retribution, and that is what makes our forum unique.
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:laugh:............right......😉


*banned for trolling*
 
Trisomy13 said:
um, yeah 😉




Main Entry:
in·tu·ba·tion Listen to the pronunciation of intubation
Pronunciation:
\ˌin-(&#716😉tü-ˈbā-shən, -(&#716😉tyü-, -tə-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1887

: the introduction of a tube into a hollow organ


per Merriam-Webster online
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Can Vent or any other moderator create a STICKY for HALL OF FAME POSTS, and under that thread, please paste this as 1A. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Arch Guillotti said:
Dude let it go, please.
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Whoa

New assist Mod trying out his new toys.:scared:

It was a hint genius. Last time I just PM'd Plank and b/4 he could act one of the admin's banned the guy. This time I was throwing you new guys a bone.

But thanks for the advice. I guess no assistance is needed, RIGHT!
 
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