Mednole-
I have, REPEATEDLY, cited references and links that address your "question", yet you ignore them and keep repeating your "question"(?). This is getting very tiresome, and I am seriously questioning the genuinous of your "question"........but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I trust that future replies will contain substance and references, to support your position.
>>> It has to do with whether or not FSU should risk its reputation on a chiropractic school.
What is the "reputation" you are "risking"?
>>> Or whether or not the state should spend taxpayer money...
-3.5 million "taxpayers" seek chiropractic treatment each year. As" taxpayers" should their tax dollars go only to the medical parqadigm? What justification do YOU have, that their tax dollars should not explore and investigate those therapies that are providing them resolution/relief of their afflicitions? As for MSK afflictions alone, -- how many have died as a result of prescribed Vioxx(most commonly Rx"ed pain med) especially in light of the fact that when efficacious chiropractic care SHOULD have been the choice? This is particularily crucial in Florida, known for it's high elder population, that is already at high risk for CVD . This same population is already extrordinarlily high on RXs for other conditions, and adding another unecessary RX is not only careless, and dangerous, it is outright malicious.
>>> on a an unnecessary chiropractic school.
---"unecessary"? In whose opinion? What are those opinions based on?
>>>I'm STILL waiting for ANY justification for a chiropractic school at FSU.
---I have already provided you with more than ample justfication and backed it up with data. Maybe you should read it before posting further.
Perhaps you may find it enlightening to read the following the following:
["Barriers in Associations
AAMC may also not be too enthusiastic about some new medical schools, could they be influenced by existing schools and deans? see Need It or Not, Florida Gets a New Medical School
http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/reporter/july2000/florida.htm from the article:
When the charter class of medical students enters Florida State University's new School of Medicine in 2001, it will mark the first time a new medical school has opened in the state in 30 years. FSU will also be the first new U.S. allopathic medical school in nearly 20 years; Mercer University School of Medicine graduated its charter class in 1986.
The new medical school will have no affiliated teaching hospital. Instead, students will receive much of their practical patient care experience in nursing homes and rural clinics, with an eye toward serving the school's stated mission of expanding Florida's population of primary care physicians and improving geriatric care. And university officials maintain that without the expense of a hospital, they can operate the school on an annual budget of $34 million, one-eighth of rival University of Florida College of Medicine's total operating budget. The FSU plan is built on the Michigan State model and was designed by MSU Professor Emeritus Tom Johnson. (The one who has an AAFP educator award named after him. He also lost out as dean to Joe Scherger even though favored by FSU leadership)
Why a new medical school in Florida now? That's the question many inside and outside the state are asking. Backers of the plan-including Florida House Speaker John Thrasher (R), an FSU alumnus who championed the deal that created the new medical school in the state legislature-argue that the $50 million-plus medical school project is merited because rural areas of the state need more doctors and elderly Floridians, in particular, are underserved.
"Believe me, we do not have access to the same quality of health care in our areas that many of you do," state Rep. Dwight Stansel (D) told the Florida House Health Care Services Committee in March. Stansel's district includes five of the 13 counties identified as "underserved." Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) also supports the plan.
Many others, however, including members of FSU's Board of Regents, attribute the decision to politics, saying there's no need for a new medical school and no shortage of physicians in Florida. "In 1975, Florida had 185 physicians per 100,000 people," says Robert Watson, M.D., senior associate dean for Educational Affairs at the University of Florida College of Medicine and chair-elect of the AAMC's Group on Educational Affairs. "As of 1998, according to AMA statistics, the proportion had reached 283 physicians per 100,000 people. I don't quite see how there's a shortage." The deans of all three existing allopathic medical schools in Florida-the University of Florida, the University of South Florida, and the University of Miami-have publicly expressed skepticism about the FSU plan.
A study conducted for FSU by consulting company MGT of America found different numbers: 210 physicians per 10,000 people, below the national average of 224. Why the big difference? MGT used a calculation known as "age-weighting," counting every Florida resident aged 65 or older at least twice in order to reflect the disproportionate impact older people have on the health care system. FSU Provost Larry Abele calls that "a legitimate calculation," while the St. Petersburg Times calls it "a convenient calculation."
Even if the MGT figures are correct, medical educators point out that simply because a medical student trains in a rural area doesn't mean she will practice there. "The AAMC and several other organizations have shown fairly clearly that there are very few things schools can do to target graduates to practice primary care in rural, underserved areas," says Dr. Watson. "The fact of the matter is that schools that have an explicit, stated goal of producing primary care physicians are very fortunate if 35 percent of their graduates actually end up practicing primary care. And most of those don't end up practicing in rural areas."
Perhaps Dr. Watson should actually read the FSU reports that helped them get started, as well as articles in JAMA, NEJM, and other locations that document that we can select, train, and locate physicians in rural and underserved areas and admissions are the key. See below
FSU's Abele predicts that the new medical school will beat traditional expectations through recruitment strategies. "Studies show that if you recruit students from rural and inner-city areas, they are more likely to return to those areas and practice," he told the St. Petersburg Times. The Program in Medical Sciences (PIMS) at FSU, which provides the first year of medical school to about 30 students who complete their remaining three years at the University of Florida, does appear to steer slightly more of its graduates to primary care than students who complete the full four years at UF: 50 percent of PIMS grads choose primary care residencies, while 46 percent of other UF graduates opt for primary care.
Members of FSU's Board of Regents have said that the better, cheaper way to address a physician shortage in rural areas is through expanding programs and enrollment at the state's existing medical schools. But the Regents won't have much to say about the matter for long-during the same session in which it created the medical school, the state legislature voted to abolish the Board of Regents. - Gina Shaw"]
. It's ok for us to do those things because it's expected, but MD's? Come on, I guess things are getting tough for you guys too. Anyway, the orthos whole spiel is how to avoid knee surgery but his whole business is knee surgery. Who is he trying to fool? That's just one guy; we have OB/GYNS doing it at the local pizza shop "natural hormone therapy". The hospital sets these things up all over town. Doing it in a flea market is a rather new approach, Maybe rooster and I will team up and try that. Hey rooster, I'll bring the chicken.
. Did you get your free bucket of chicken? I bet you had your whole family lined up didn't you? I bet when you got home you called all your friends and told them to head up there too. We usually give you a six-pack of beer with a spinal exam. I think my method works better than the chicken.
