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What do you do if your BCPM GPA is much lower than your ALREADY low GPA???

I just calculated mine and my BCPM is (hold onto something) 1.5!!! I didnt take too many sciences courses, and the highest grade ive received is a C+...sad I know. My overall is a 2.67...(super sad I know)

Im def going to take the postbacc (2+ years) route to get my GPA back in order...

I am keeping hope alive...I know its not impossible...but its gonna be a struggle...
 
What do you do if your BCPM GPA is much lower than your ALREADY low GPA???

I just calculated mine and my BCPM is (hold onto something) 1.5!!! I didnt take too many sciences courses, and the highest grade ive received is a C+...sad I know. My overall is a 2.67...(super sad I know)

Im def going to take the postbacc (2+ years) route to get my GPA back in order...

I am keeping hope alive...I know its not impossible...but its gonna be a struggle...

I'm just curious, how did you not get kicked out of the school. Most schools that I know of kick you out for having a GPA of less than 2.0, and/or having a <2.0 GPA in major requirements.

You are doing the right thing by wanting to take more classes. BUT, if the highest grade that you received is a C+, then there is clearly some kind of habitual issue that needs to be resolved rather than taking more classes and potentially not improving your GPA. There is also the issue of loss of foundation. Many higher level science classes (which is what you have to take as a post-bacc student) require a strong foundaiton in the classes that you clearly did poorly in. So lots of thinking to do here, in addition to just taking classes.

Enrolling into an unofficial post-bacc or even an official one is ultimately very easy to do. But actually turning the GPA around...thats something intrinsic to you, rather than an on/off switch.
 
Just my science/math grades average out to a 1.5...my school places you on probation if your GPA is <2.0 for a semester, then they kick you out. But my overall was always over a 2.0 so I didnt have that problem. I calulated my science/math grades with the AMCAS gpa calculator thing, and I ended up with a 1.5. The highest grade Ive received in my math/science classes was a C+. Sorry for the confusion.

I realize now that my study skills were way out of sync. Especially when it comes to the hard sciences. I tried to apply the same method of studying for my humanties/social science classes as my hard sciences and what you see is my low GPA...

But I am graduated and have a new look on my future and I am ready to tackle these courses and do the best I can, no matter how long it takes. I have no problem starting from the beginning...

I am waiting to hear from the evening Drexel program, and I have applied to Hunter College....God willing things pull through.
 
Just my science/math grades average out to a 1.5...my school places you on probation if your GPA is <2.0 for a semester, then they kick you out. But my overall was always over a 2.0 so I didnt have that problem. I calulated my science/math grades with the AMCAS gpa calculator thing, and I ended up with a 1.5. The highest grade Ive received in my math/science classes was a C+. Sorry for the confusion.

I realize now that my study skills were way out of sync. Especially when it comes to the hard sciences. I tried to apply the same method of studying for my humanties/social science classes as my hard sciences and what you see is my low GPA...

But I am graduated and have a new look on my future and I am ready to tackle these courses and do the best I can, no matter how long it takes. I have no problem starting from the beginning...

I am waiting to hear from the evening Drexel program, and I have applied to Hunter College....God willing things pull through.

Thats great, and if you're willing then thats 50% of the effort. Now we just have to wait and see. As the saying goes, don't count your chicks until they've hatched. The sad truth is one can't start from the beginning with this GPA game. GPA is there for life (at least until you get into med school). But its certainly not impossible. Good luck!
 
I just wanted to share my story. I recently got accepted to a well known University with a post bacc program that I want to keep confidential. About 90% of the students get into the University School of Medicine. I do NOT have to retake my MCATS! Anyways I am really excited to start this summer. My path to this point was not easy.

My overall GPA at a state university was a 2.4. My major was Cell Biology and Genetics. Tough major. Bascially I was not focused. My junior of college I started to work part-time at a hospital in the pharmacy dept. I was there for 3 years and that is where my inspiration to attend medical ignited! I loved the hospital environment. I knew I had to increase my Gpa so I attended a community college and continued working full-time. I took 25 credits worth of classes and I DID NOT repeat any courses that I took at my state University. Majority of them were science and psych courses like Anatomy and Physiology 1and 2, Nutirtion and Human growth and Development. My gpa at the community college was a 4.0. I did not settle for anything less. So overall my gpa is a 2.75. I took the last paper mcat in august 2006 and got a 23M. 10Bs 7PS and 6V.

I also took advantage of courses offered at the hospital that were free. Like medical spanish and first aid. I volunteered also at a local adolescent gynocological clinic for almost 5 months.

I currently work in a dermatology practice.

I strongly believe my work experience along with my 4.0 gpa shows that I am determined. I believe that is what got me into this program. I am 25 and if all goes well, I will be 30 when I am complete with medical school.

So if your situtation is similar to mine, you can do it too!! Stay focused. 🙂
 
Hi everyone. This is my first time on SDN so I have lots to learn and i hope you guys can offer some advice. This thread is great, btw!

current student @ Cal with one more semester to go
cum gpa: 2.6 science gpa: 2-point-something

i have taken all the prereqs but sadly failed 2 of them and the others are not so great. for the remainder of the semester, I plan on retaking some courses at the community college. afterwards I want to do a post bacc... the only thing is, i don't know which one is best for me. the ones i've looked at require an mcat score, which i haven't taken. Ideally, I want to be able to take classes to boost my gpa first and then take the mcat and apply to med school. any suggestions on what i can do? or which post bacc? what are my options?

btw, what does "BCPM" stand for???
 
Hi everyone. This is my first time on SDN so I have lots to learn and i hope you guys can offer some advice. This thread is great, btw!

current student @ Cal with one more semester to go
cum gpa: 2.6 science gpa: 2-point-something

i have taken all the prereqs but sadly failed 2 of them and the others are not so great. for the remainder of the semester, I plan on retaking some courses at the community college. afterwards I want to do a post bacc... the only thing is, i don't know which one is best for me. the ones i've looked at require an mcat score, which i haven't taken. Ideally, I want to be able to take classes to boost my gpa first and then take the mcat and apply to med school. any suggestions on what i can do? or which post bacc? what are my options?

btw, what does "BCPM" stand for???

I wouldn't retake classes at a community college. Although CA CC's are regarded in a better light, it can easily be misinterpreted as you finding an "easier" route to earn A's. In the end, you are expected to get A's taking it the second time since you have the advantage of retaking the class unlike other people. I'd try to take a few courses at a university and if necessarry retake courses you got a D or worse in. Its not really worth it to retake a class that you got a C in. However if you're going the DO route--ignore the whole retaking issue. But its always good to take classes at a university vs. a CC in terms of GPA rehab.

There's a reason why I spent tons of $$ through UC Extension to get my GPA moving again. I could've easily spent half the amount I spent for Extension to pay for a year or more at a CC. But I didn't upon advice from UCD's director of admissions.
 
Hi everyone. This is my first time on SDN so I have lots to learn and i hope you guys can offer some advice. This thread is great, btw!

Welcome, I'm new too - been here a couple of days. Mostly reading the nontrad forum, but here too as I am going to have to do some kind of post-bac of the "starting from scratch variety."

I'm not quite sure if I qualify as a low GPA or not.

Me: Dartmouth undergrad, 3.03 GPA but very mixed (one F freshman year), no official GPA from my grad school (UCSC/Computer Science) and anyone's guess on how they calculate it unofficially as most of the ones I took were S/U courses not letter graded.

BCPM GPA: 2.2, on a whopping two courses, and the only prereq I've got is Calc 1 (I did take an intro-for-majors bio course as an undergrad, but it's probably not one that counts as a Gen Bio I: perhaps for the best, as I got a B-; I took Calc 1 again in grad school and got a B)

I'm starting prereqs at the community colleges near me, and hope to apply to a formal postbac (right now SFSU looks best, if I can get in) in a year or two when finances permit me to go full time.

As an aside, are there any non-community-college places in the Sacramento area to do "starting from scratch" prereqs? The Davis postbac seems to be of the "sharpen reapplicactions" sort and it's for URM; it's sounded from other threads and the web site that informal/2nd-bac at Davis is probably not an option, but I haven't found any information on CSU Sacramento one way or the other.
 
I wouldn't retake classes at a community college. Although CA CC's are regarded in a better light, it can easily be misinterpreted as you finding an "easier" route to earn A's. In the end, you are expected to get A's taking it the second time since you have the advantage of retaking the class unlike other people. I'd try to take a few courses at a university and if necessarry retake courses you got a D or worse in. Its not really worth it to retake a class that you got a C in. However if you're going the DO route--ignore the whole retaking issue. But its always good to take classes at a university vs. a CC in terms of GPA rehab.

There's a reason why I spent tons of $$ through UC Extension to get my GPA moving again. I could've easily spent half the amount I spent for Extension to pay for a year or more at a CC. But I didn't upon advice from UCD's director of admissions.

Thanks for your input! I still do not know much about my options, and with the CC thing being 👎, I am not sure what to do. I have looked at several post-bacs and they require an MCAT, which I have not taken. Should I go for an informal post-bac thing and take science classes to improve my gpa? In that case, how do i know which science courses to take? or should i apply for a formal post-bacc? I guess my confusion is that the formal post-baccs I have looked at have a 3.0 gpa and mcat requirement. I was thinking that I could repeat the science prereqs that I got Ds of Fs on at a CC so that I can then apply to the post-bacc, and then kick ass there and hopefully do well on the mcat and apply to med school. I looked at SFSU's informal post-bacc and it looks pretty good. Does anyone have recommendations? Or should I just study for the MCAT and take the test now, and apply to SMPs? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I have been reading this forum from page 1 and I'm getting more and more confused. 😱
 
More than three years ago, I joined SDN and searched around for threads on low gpa people, looking for some kind of encouragement that there was something at the end of this abysmally long, painful tunnel. I didnt find much, only a few threads made by people who had gained some success getting into a post-bacc, a few threads on the different SMPs and, rarely, the occasional thread posted by someone with a low gpa who had actually gotten into med school. But these were several years old. I figured there had to more information out there for people who were applying from way out in left field, so I started the low gpa thread, and its been great to see so many people contributing to it over the years. My one complaint was that there were rarely any posts from people who had gotten into med school, writing back to offer hope to those of us still stuck in post-bacc oblivion, so I decided I would revisit the page and offer some hope and guidance if I ever got into med school. Well, I started a post-bacc four years ago with a 2.25 cumulative gpa, having taken and flunked physics, chemistry and biology and I'll be attending Wayne State University School of Medicine in the Fall, so it all worked out in the end. Its been a long, arduous journey, and I'm still far from reaping any reward (unless you're masochistic enough to consider the brutality of med school and residency a reward), but I've finally got something to show for all these years. The hardest thing about a post-bacc is that theres no path, and no destination. You're constantly hacking away in the jungle with a rusty machete and a dim flashlight. But I've found that if you keep at it, you're bound to end up someplace worthwhile.

I applied to 60 schools, completed 42 secondaries before burning out, got a half dozen interviews, two waitlists, and one acceptance. Although I didn't quite end up where I wanted, its still an allopathic med school in the US, and from where I started, thats an amazing destination. From here on out, I'll never have a major decision (residency, fellowship, jobs) haunted by my undergrad grades and thats a tremendous relief.

I often get pm's from people looking for advice. The best and most succinct advice I can give is: WORK HARD!!! No matter which path you choose, you'll find success if you work tirelessly and believe in the goal. Its not easy to keep the faith when you're 26 and sitting in undergrad classes with 19 year-olds, compiling (possibly) massive debt (more on this below) and studying 50 hours a week, when you could be out in the real world, working a 9 to 5, with free nights and weekends and no responsibilities other than to make the most of your youth. Based on my experience, I've come up with the following general guidelines that you should use when you decide how to proceed. And remember, your circumstances are almost surely different from those of us on SDN who have had some success and are proffering unsolicited, so adjust accordingly.

1)Take the long-term approach. You didn't earn that 2.5 cumulative gpa overnight, so its going to take a few years to overcome it. If you're just starting, think at least three years before you actually matriculate into an incoming med school class.
2)Figure out what went wrong. Why was your effort lacking? Do you simply hate studying? Guess what...thats what medical students and doctors do for life! Did you just never learn to manage your time and full course load? Do you have bad study skills? Do you have a medical ailment or other issue (financial, familial, et) thats keeping you from doing well academically? Don't attempt to enter a post-bacc until you have resolved whatever issues have held you back.
3)To expound on the last point, you shouldnt immerse yourself into a post-bacc head-first, and hope to use the experience to work out the kinks in your study habits. If you embark upon a post-bacc, you'll be expected to get virtually all A's to make up for your prior indiscretions. You're not going to learn how to study effectively if you have a 16 credit hour course load, and you need to get all As. Take my advice&#8212;start slow! I started out taking only 12 credit hours (just introductory Bio, Phys, Chem and their labs) and moved onto 16-17 credit hours only in my second year of post-bacc when I felt comfortable with the courses and knew how hard I would have to work to get the results I wanted.
4)If you're in an undergrad level post-bacc, take Honors classes whenever possible. An honors class is a great opportunity to interact with the professors and get a good letter of recommendation. Additionally, the classes are more intense, so you'll learn more and be better prepared for the MCAT. Lastly, it looks great on your transcript and really impresses ADCOMs. Getting into an honors class usually requires no more than contacting the professor teaching the class directly. If theres room, they'll be more than happy to let you take the class.
5)No one can tell you exactly what your grades you'll need, but rest assured, its something better than a 3.8 (with a full course load of basic pre-reqs and upper level bio classes). Basically, work as if you need to get As in EVERYTHING!
6)Ask yourself if you have the commitment and motivation to really pursue this career. Medicine is a harsh beast. I'm not even in medical school, and I've already pulled countless all-nighters, missed opportunities to be with friends and family and otherwise lamented the sad state of affairs in my life (eschewing a life to burrow into a carrel on a Saturday night will do that to you).
7)Make a plan. Don't just wing it. Post-bacc is a long and expensive venture, and you have to plan it out. Determine how many years of undergrad post-bacc and/or SMP you'll need before applying. To determine this, ask for advice from people you trust and not just people on SDN. The single best resource in making this determination is a med school admissions office. Contact offices of schools you're interested in attending, and ask for an appointment to speak to their director of admissions. You'll be surprised how lucky you can get. Besides, what do you have to lose? After you determine the number of years you'll need, map out the cost (and don't forget the pound of flesh that AMCAS will extract).
8)You don't have to attend a structured post-bacc to get a great education or an advantage when you apply. All of the things that structured undergrad-level post-bacc's purport to be superior&#8212;their advising, volunteering opportunities, MCAT support, et, is completely worthless (compared to the cost). These programs are typically at private schools and charge a fortune for services that you could acquire for virtually nothing (SDN is a better source of information and advice than any pre-med advisor I ever talked to). A link with a medical school that may get you an interview is useful (Columbia has one), but these are more for career changers who did well as undergrads. If you're going to start with an undergrad post-bacc, look at a public school with the best reputation in your state, and go there. Need advising, use their office, SDN or contact the medical schools you're interested in attending directly (they're surprisingly responsive if you try in June or July). Need to volunteer somewhere? No one cares if you volunteered at Mass General, they only care about what kind of responsibilities you had in the experience, and possibly what your supervisors had to say about you if you got a LOR out of it. You could opt to work at a small family practice or a needle exchange and get a great LOR from the physician or director, which would help you immensely more than the generic LOR that every applicant gets from some random volunteer supervisor at a large hospital. However, if money is no issue, call Columbia and beg them to let you into their post-bacc pre-med program.
9)You'll need at least a 32 on the MCAT (considering that the national median is hovering somewhere near that these days), but you should aim for a 35. This is where you get to separate yourself from the other candidates.
10)SMPs are very helpful but fraught with peril. You risk burn-out, dropping $50k for minimal rewards and possibly taking a giant step backwards if you don't get at least a 3.4 gpa. However, if you're prepared, willing to work harder than you ever have for an entire year, and have the resources to get $50k, its worth it. I would say the break even point is 3.5. If you get a 3.5 gpa you've basically tread water for a year (its not going to help you too much in admissions). Anything lower and you've probably hurt yourself, and if you manage a 3.7+, you've used the SMP opportunity to put yourself in great shape. Having said that, a 3.6 gpa in an SMP is HARD. I worked everyday, every weekend, did every practice test and probably averaged about 60 hours a week of studying/classes/labs, and will graduate this September with a 3.72. I had a 4.0 when I submitted my AMCAS last summer, but had a hard time keeping up with some classes last Fall with secondaries and interviews. If I had to it over again, I wouldn't do the SMP because a few of my interviewers said it was overkill compared to the two years of post-bacc I had already done and ultimately, though I think the SMP helped me land a few extra interviews, it did not matter in terms of where I ended up&#8212;I would have ended up at Wayne State regardless of whether or not I did it. Nonetheless, if you're only going to do a year of undergrad post-bacc, doing the SMP (and doing well in it), and then applying the year after while you do research or take the year off and teach, is a great approach, especially now that the MCAT is offered several times a year so you can take it in the summer and not be late with AMCAS.

Those are all the nuggets of wisdom I have accumulated over the last four years. I hope it helps you on your journey. As for myself, I don't know how I became a better student. I dont know what changed in me, or why. I suspect it was just growing up, gaining some maturity and realizing that the only way I would ever accomplish anything was by working my ass off. Water finds its own level, I guess. It took a nearly three decades, but I finally found mine.

Remember, its not a ride unless you're scared sh*tless.

Good Luck!


PS I apologize for all the misspellings and grammatical errors, but I'm rather busy finishing up my thesis.
 
More than three years ago, I joined SDN and searched around for threads on low gpa people, looking for some kind of encouragement that there was something at the end of this abysmally long, painful tunnel. I didnt find much, only a few threads made by people who had gained some success getting into a post-bacc, a few threads on the different SMPs and, rarely, the occasional thread posted by someone with a low gpa who had actually gotten into med school. But these were several years old. I figured there had to more information out there for people who were applying from way out in left field, so I started the low gpa thread, and its been great to see so many people contributing to it over the years. My one complaint was that there were rarely any posts from people who had gotten into med school, writing back to offer hope to those of us still stuck in post-bacc oblivion, so I decided I would revisit the page and offer some hope and guidance if I ever got into med school. Well, I started a post-bacc four years ago with a 2.25 cumulative gpa, having taken and flunked physics, chemistry and biology and I'll be attending Wayne State University School of Medicine in the Fall, so it all worked out in the end. Its been a long, arduous journey, and I'm still far from reaping any reward (unless you're masochistic enough to consider the brutality of med school and residency a reward), but I've finally got something to show for all these years. The hardest thing about a post-bacc is that theres no path, and no destination. You're constantly hacking away in the jungle with a rusty machete and a dim flashlight. But I've found that if you keep at it, you're bound to end up someplace worthwhile.

I applied to 60 schools, completed 42 secondaries before burning out, got a half dozen interviews, two waitlists, and one acceptance. Although I didn't quite end up where I wanted, its still an allopathic med school in the US, and from where I started, thats an amazing destination. From here on out, I'll never have a major decision (residency, fellowship, jobs) haunted by my undergrad grades and thats a tremendous relief.

I often get pm's from people looking for advice. The best and most succinct advice I can give is: WORK HARD!!! No matter which path you choose, you'll find success if you work tirelessly and believe in the goal. Its not easy to keep the faith when you're 26 and sitting in undergrad classes with 19 year-olds, compiling (possibly) massive debt (more on this below) and studying 50 hours a week, when you could be out in the real world, working a 9 to 5, with free nights and weekends and no responsibilities other than to make the most of your youth. Based on my experience, I've come up with the following general guidelines that you should use when you decide how to proceed. And remember, your circumstances are almost surely different from those of us on SDN who have had some success and are proffering unsolicited, so adjust accordingly.

1)Take the long-term approach. You didn't earn that 2.5 cumulative gpa overnight, so its going to take a few years to overcome it. If you're just starting, think at least three years before you actually matriculate into an incoming med school class.
2)Figure out what went wrong. Why was your effort lacking? Do you simply hate studying? Guess what...thats what medical students and doctors do for life! Did you just never learn to manage your time and full course load? Do you have bad study skills? Do you have a medical ailment or other issue (financial, familial, et) thats keeping you from doing well academically? Don't attempt to enter a post-bacc until you have resolved whatever issues have held you back.
3)To expound on the last point, you shouldnt immerse yourself into a post-bacc head-first, and hope to use the experience to work out the kinks in your study habits. If you embark upon a post-bacc, you'll be expected to get virtually all A's to make up for your prior indiscretions. You're not going to learn how to study effectively if you have a 16 credit hour course load, and you need to get all As. Take my advice—start slow! I started out taking only 12 credit hours (just introductory Bio, Phys, Chem and their labs) and moved onto 16-17 credit hours only in my second year of post-bacc when I felt comfortable with the courses and knew how hard I would have to work to get the results I wanted.
4)If you're in an undergrad level post-bacc, take Honors classes whenever possible. An honors class is a great opportunity to interact with the professors and get a good letter of recommendation. Additionally, the classes are more intense, so you'll learn more and be better prepared for the MCAT. Lastly, it looks great on your transcript and really impresses ADCOMs. Getting into an honors class usually requires no more than contacting the professor teaching the class directly. If theres room, they'll be more than happy to let you take the class.
5)No one can tell you exactly what your grades you'll need, but rest assured, its something better than a 3.8 (with a full course load of basic pre-reqs and upper level bio classes). Basically, work as if you need to get As in EVERYTHING!
6)Ask yourself if you have the commitment and motivation to really pursue this career. Medicine is a harsh beast. I'm not even in medical school, and I've already pulled countless all-nighters, missed opportunities to be with friends and family and otherwise lamented the sad state of affairs in my life (eschewing a life to burrow into a carrel on a Saturday night will do that to you).
7)Make a plan. Don't just wing it. Post-bacc is a long and expensive venture, and you have to plan it out. Determine how many years of undergrad post-bacc and/or SMP you'll need before applying. To determine this, ask for advice from people you trust and not just people on SDN. The single best resource in making this determination is a med school admissions office. Contact offices of schools you're interested in attending, and ask for an appointment to speak to their director of admissions. You'll be surprised how lucky you can get. Besides, what do you have to lose? After you determine the number of years you'll need, map out the cost (and don't forget the pound of flesh that AMCAS will extract).
8)You don't have to attend a structured post-bacc to get a great education or an advantage when you apply. All of the things that structured undergrad-level post-bacc's purport to be superior—their advising, volunteering opportunities, MCAT support, et, is completely worthless (compared to the cost). These programs are typically at private schools and charge a fortune for services that you could acquire for virtually nothing (SDN is a better source of information and advice than any pre-med advisor I ever talked to). A link with a medical school that may get you an interview is useful (Columbia has one), but these are more for career changers who did well as undergrads. If you're going to start with an undergrad post-bacc, look at a public school with the best reputation in your state, and go there. Need advising, use their office, SDN or contact the medical schools you're interested in attending directly (they're surprisingly responsive if you try in June or July). Need to volunteer somewhere? No one cares if you volunteered at Mass General, they only care about what kind of responsibilities you had in the experience, and possibly what your supervisors had to say about you if you got a LOR out of it. You could opt to work at a small family practice or a needle exchange and get a great LOR from the physician or director, which would help you immensely more than the generic LOR that every applicant gets from some random volunteer supervisor at a large hospital. However, if money is no issue, call Columbia and beg them to let you into their post-bacc pre-med program.
9)You'll need at least a 32 on the MCAT (considering that the national median is hovering somewhere near that these days), but you should aim for a 35. This is where you get to separate yourself from the other candidates.
10)SMPs are very helpful but fraught with peril. You risk burn-out, dropping $50k for minimal rewards and possibly taking a giant step backwards if you don't get at least a 3.4 gpa. However, if you're prepared, willing to work harder than you ever have for an entire year, and have the resources to get $50k, its worth it. I would say the break even point is 3.5. If you get a 3.5 gpa you've basically tread water for a year (its not going to help you too much in admissions). Anything lower and you've probably hurt yourself, and if you manage a 3.7+, you've used the SMP opportunity to put yourself in great shape. Having said that, a 3.6 gpa in an SMP is HARD. I worked everyday, every weekend, did every practice test and probably averaged about 60 hours a week of studying/classes/labs, and will graduate this September with a 3.72. I had a 4.0 when I submitted my AMCAS last summer, but had a hard time keeping up with some classes last Fall with secondaries and interviews. If I had to it over again, I wouldn't do the SMP because a few of my interviewers said it was overkill compared to the two years of post-bacc I had already done and ultimately, though I think the SMP helped me land a few extra interviews, it did not matter in terms of where I ended up—I would have ended up at Wayne State regardless of whether or not I did it. Nonetheless, if you're only going to do a year of undergrad post-bacc, doing the SMP (and doing well in it), and then applying the year after while you do research or take the year off and teach, is a great approach, especially now that the MCAT is offered several times a year so you can take it in the summer and not be late with AMCAS.

Those are all the nuggets of wisdom I have accumulated over the last four years. I hope it helps you on your journey. As for myself, I don't know how I became a better student. I dont know what changed in me, or why. I suspect it was just growing up, gaining some maturity and realizing that the only way I would ever accomplish anything was by working my ass off. Water finds its own level, I guess. It took a nearly three decades, but I finally found mine.

Remember, its not a ride unless you're scared sh*tless.

Good Luck!


PS I apologize for all the misspellings and grammatical errors, but I'm rather busy finishing up my thesis.


Congratulation!!! Wayne State is like 20 min away from my place. It might not be in the best location, but its med school is great. G'luck in the future.
Btw, what was ur MCAT score?
 
Reading this thread has been of much help to me. I am currently working out of my poor grades. I live in Canada and I am technically supposed to be going in to my 4th year of university. My first year grades were not so great, I was put on probation for 1 term and quickly got it lifted. I did alright in my second and third year, a respectable solid B grade for both years. However this past year, I took 1 economic course (macroe econ 102), and failed it (believe it or not, but this was the first time I failed a course). My other courses I earned a B+, C-, and D+ so the school placed me on probation yet again. I have come to the conclusion that I need to take some time and figure out what is important to me. I am taking the summer off to work and when September comes around I will go to school part time. I will only take 2 courses this year.

I think my cumulative GPA is probably in the neighbourhood of 2.5 or something like that (my school uses percentile grades and not a GPA). I do alot of volunteer work, and everything I have I worked for.

I think I need to spend some time getting to know what I really want. I came in to university with a scholarship, and a overall 95% average in high school. I was a foster kid and lived in 11 different homes before I was 16. I have been living on my own since I was 17. My mother turned me in to foster care when I was a kid because she could not afford to feed me. She did not have any money to pay the rent and the landlord evicted her. We were homeless for a few weeks until she decided to go to a payphone booth and make a call to the CAS (children's aid society). She did not have family or friends to give me to and she did not want to make me live a life in the shelters or on the street. Trust me when I say this, the shelters are pure and utter hell holes, and it is better living on the street. I am still connected with some homeless people and many of them say they prefer the street to the shelter. My mom figured foster care would be best. I was 12 at the time. After 1.5 years the children's aid took custody of me, I was made a ward of the court. I saw other kids my age get pregnant and/or go to jail. Most do not make it through HS. Living in the group homes I was the good girl who the staff members did not worry about. I went to school and made very good grades. When I left the homes, I continued to work hard towards my grades. I got in to all my schools of choice. I thought I had it made!

Anyhow here I am, 21 yrs old and dealing with poor grades and wondering how my thinking has changed. In HS I was dead set on never ending up in poverty, or at least not poverty to the point where I am evicted from my home and cannot eat. School was my ticket out of the "ghetto" life. I lived in a neighbourhood with a lot of crime, drug users, and welfare recipients; it is not a place that one wants to live. So when I got to university in small town ontario, I was happy. I was so happy infact that I let my grades go. I need my focus again.

Anyhow, that is my rant for the day. I am glad I have found this thread (I was searching).
 
Hey all, I will try to keep this as short as possible, but I feel I've found myself in a very difficult position, and would like some advice. Any advice would be greatly appreciated... I know a lot of us are facing the same hurdles here.

I began undergrad and graduated with a 2.8 gpa. It was the worst 4.5 years of my life to say the least. I struggled getting through college with 3 jobs, all while dealing with an illness, and dealing with illnesses in my family. The little my parents could help me ended when they both lost their jobs and we were on the verge of losing our home, and they were on the verge of a divorce. They never wanted me to drop out, so I continued working as much as possible and getting the best grades I could for the little time I had to study. On top of that, I managed 2 research positions, one of which I am published on, hours of volunteering, positions in clubs, and many distinctions in each of the jobs I had. I also started my own business, shadowed doctors in other countries, and managed to study abroad. This was not an easy task at all, but I figured if I was thinking about med school I would have to at least start the extra curriculars. (I realize it sounds like overkill but this was all over 4.5 years). I graduated with the 2.8, have equal numbers of A's, B's and C's, and one D. Not to mention about 5 or 6 W grades I had, since every semester I thought maybe my situation would get better and I could fit in my regular schedule. Also my advisor told me they were "no big deal at all." So, being the unwise undergrad I was, thought a few W's were ok.

Traveled for a year, worked with doctors overseas after graduating. Came back, and started a post bacc at an Ivy League. Here's the thing. My first semester into my first year of post bacc (last fall), both my parents became ill, and my best friend passed away. I had to withdraw from my Chem and Physics classes. So I took some electives the second semester thinking it may be better to get them out of the way. Wrong. I ended up with a D+, a C- in Chem 1, a Withdrawal, and another C-. Now, I am retaking Chemistry in the most difficult summer session ever. It's the whole year (8 credits) of Chem in 8 weeks. I'm down to the end and I feel as though I'm looking at a C. I truly enjoy the material, the class is great, and the professor amazing. I just feel like I can not digest all of this info in 8 weeks. I quote my professor "Take this class in the fall if you can." They've actually managed to pack in more information and requirements for the summer... seriously.

I feel incredibly defeated at this point. I'm very sure I can do well in the rest of my post bacc classes. I've spoken to my professors and they agree. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems silly to retake the class over for the third time, but Med schools will not recognize a C- or less. In addition to taking over the classes I got a D and C- in, I have to do well in the rest of my post bacc's.

My main concern is that I'm doing the post bacc to BOOST my GPA, not lower it, and finish requirements... But I'm really worried med schools will see my poor post bacc grades so far, even if I have a good upward trend and have retaken the bad grades. 🙁

Anyone out there with any advice? I would really appreciate a little boost of confidence/honesty in what to do in this case.

Should I be looking towards an SMP? Best case scenario I'll come out with a science GPA BARELY skating the 3.4 mark, and an overall GPA of like a 3.01.

I apologize for the LONG post! Help!

Trying hard and hoping for the best...
 
Wow...! Despite all the things you've been through, you've managed to continue with your goal while gaining a TON of experience! If I were an adcom, I'd let you in simply on perseverance. But I'm not😀 So, here's what I think: Keep going. Keep doing your best and try not to worry too much about the "dreaded adcoms." Keep the belief (that it seems you've had all this time) that your dream is possible. I know how this sounds but there's only so much you can do. And you've done more than enough. :luck:

Hey all, I will try to keep this as short as possible, but I feel I've found myself in a very difficult position, and would like some advice. Any advice would be greatly appreciated... I know a lot of us are facing the same hurdles here.

I began undergrad and graduated with a 2.8 gpa. It was the worst 4.5 years of my life to say the least. I struggled getting through college with 3 jobs, all while dealing with an illness, and dealing with illnesses in my family. The little my parents could help me ended when they both lost their jobs and we were on the verge of losing our home, and they were on the verge of a divorce. They never wanted me to drop out, so I continued working as much as possible and getting the best grades I could for the little time I had to study. On top of that, I managed 2 research positions, one of which I am published on, hours of volunteering, positions in clubs, and many distinctions in each of the jobs I had. I also started my own business, shadowed doctors in other countries, and managed to study abroad. This was not an easy task at all, but I figured if I was thinking about med school I would have to at least start the extra curriculars. (I realize it sounds like overkill but this was all over 4.5 years). I graduated with the 2.8, have equal numbers of A's, B's and C's, and one D. Not to mention about 5 or 6 W grades I had, since every semester I thought maybe my situation would get better and I could fit in my regular schedule. Also my advisor told me they were "no big deal at all." So, being the unwise undergrad I was, thought a few W's were ok.

Traveled for a year, worked with doctors overseas after graduating. Came back, and started a post bacc at an Ivy League. Here's the thing. My first semester into my first year of post bacc (last fall), both my parents became ill, and my best friend passed away. I had to withdraw from my Chem and Physics classes. So I took some electives the second semester thinking it may be better to get them out of the way. Wrong. I ended up with a D+, a C- in Chem 1, a Withdrawal, and another C-. Now, I am retaking Chemistry in the most difficult summer session ever. It's the whole year (8 credits) of Chem in 8 weeks. I'm down to the end and I feel as though I'm looking at a C. I truly enjoy the material, the class is great, and the professor amazing. I just feel like I can not digest all of this info in 8 weeks. I quote my professor "Take this class in the fall if you can." They've actually managed to pack in more information and requirements for the summer... seriously.

I feel incredibly defeated at this point. I'm very sure I can do well in the rest of my post bacc classes. I've spoken to my professors and they agree. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It seems silly to retake the class over for the third time, but Med schools will not recognize a C- or less. In addition to taking over the classes I got a D and C- in, I have to do well in the rest of my post bacc's.

My main concern is that I'm doing the post bacc to BOOST my GPA, not lower it, and finish requirements... But I'm really worried med schools will see my poor post bacc grades so far, even if I have a good upward trend and have retaken the bad grades. 🙁

Anyone out there with any advice? I would really appreciate a little boost of confidence/honesty in what to do in this case.

Should I be looking towards an SMP? Best case scenario I'll come out with a science GPA BARELY skating the 3.4 mark, and an overall GPA of like a 3.01.

I apologize for the LONG post! Help!

Trying hard and hoping for the best...
 
Sometime I become discouraged from even trying to pursue medicine because of my rock-bottom grades. I spent about 2 hours last night calculating all of my GPAs for every year, using the AMCAS method. Want to see my current stats? Brace yourself! These numbers are quite overwhelming 🙁

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fresh: BCMP 2.0, 3 hrs (AO 3.83, 29 hrs) TOTAL 3.34, 32 hrs

soph: BCMP 1.31, 26 hrs (AO 2.58, 19 hrs) TOTAL 1.84, 45 hrs

jun: BCMP 3.17, 15 hrs (AO 3.14, 7 hrs) TOTAL 3.16, 22 hrs

sen: BCMP 2.43, 23hrs (AO 4.0, 7 hrs) TOTAL 2.8, 30 hrs

5th yr senior: TBA

Post-Bacc undergrad: TBA

Cum undrgrd (current): BCMP 2.14, 67hrs (AO 3.25, 62hrs) TOTAL 2.66, 129
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This is what I figured:

I need ~ cum. 3.65 in 5th year undergrad and ~ cum. 3.7 in 2 years of post-bacc to obtain ~ 3.0 cumulative GPA

I need ~ cum. 3.8 in 5th year undergrad and ~ cum. 3.8 in 2 years of post-bacc to obtain ~ 3.0 BCMP GPA.

If I by chance maintain a 4.0 in my 5th year undergrad and 4.0 in 2 years of post-bacc (56 hrs), I can obtain a 3.2 cumulative GPA and 3.2 BCMP GPA

This idea somewhat exhausts me though - I need encouragement 😳 I know this is a common question but what do you honestly think my chances are of acceptance to medical school given that, with hard work, I reach 3.0 total and 3.0 BCMP (considering the upward trend). And a 32 MCAT. Thank you all! 👍

I still have some hope within me somehow.

Also here are some ECs:
3.5 years working in lab part-time (no publications)
100+ volunteer hours: ER, free health clinic (spanish intake asst. and pharmacy tech), adult daycare
founder of pre-med organization
Spanish minor, so knowledge of some Spanish
shadowing of various MDs
 
I posted this in its own thread but maybe I'll get help here. Tell me what you think, please!!!

Graduating this Friday with a degree in Poli Science. 2.8 cum gpa, 2.7 science gpa. First 2 years of college I was a premed-bio major then changed to poli sci. After working at District Attorney's office and law firm, I've realized that law isn't for me.

Last summer I decided to be a double major with poli sci and bio, but found out I was pregnant so taking labs were prohibitied by my doctor. Now I really want to go to medical school. I know it'll take at least 3 years. I'm only 21 so I have the time.

Should I go back and get a biology degree or just take my pre-reqs and some other science courses. I'm in Louisiana and there is no formal post-bacc program here. Can't afford to move to another state with a 5 month old daughter. I called LSU med school in New Orleans and they advised it was best to take science courses at a 4 year university instead of a community college. I was going to do the community college route b/c it was cheaper and had a night physics course.

So what should I do? Also would it be better to take physics as a correspondence/independent study course or in an actual classroom setting?
 
Hampton University 2003
Overall GPA 2.31
Science: 2.71

Cappella University graduate (currently enrolled) GPA 3.5 (healthcare administration)
MCAT: very, very sad - 15 (April 2004)

It's nice to know that there are others out there struggling like me.
 
So what should I do? Also would it be better to take physics as a correspondence/independent study course or in an actual classroom setting?

Never, never, never, never, never take a med school pre-req as a correspondence course. NEVER.

As for everything else, I think you're looking at at least two years of hardcore classes with very few grades below an A if you want to have a chance. You said your daughter is 5 months old now. Do you have a significant other/family who can watch her if you were to attend classes full-time?
 
Never, never, never, never, never take a med school pre-req as a correspondence course. NEVER.

As for everything else, I think you're looking at at least two years of hardcore classes with very few grades below an A if you want to have a chance. You said your daughter is 5 months old now. Do you have a significant other/family who can watch her if you were to attend classes full-time?

What should I try to raise my cum gpa and bcmp gpa to? Is it best to take classes full time or part time?

Yes, my mom just moved to the city where I stay, so she'll help with my daughter. The thing is I've been working part-time since my soph. year of college and now they want to give me 40 hours and sometimes 35, but I think I'll have to turn it down and continue working only part-time so I can take classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I've scheduled to retake Org.chem 1 since I made a C in the fall 2004 and I don't really remember anything now and I struggled with it then. Also I'm trying to get into micro and its lab. all the physics classes are full, so is micro, but I'll have a better chance of getting into micro b/c the bio department is so helpful when trying to schedule classes.
 
What should I try to raise my cum gpa and bcmp gpa to? Is it best to take classes full time or part time?

Well, assuming you got the 2.8 with 120 credits for your Bachelor's, I don't think it's possible to bring it up to a competitive level (i.e. over 3.5). What you need to do instead, is demonstrate a brand new work ethic and commitment to school work. Take at the very least, two years of classes. Try to get around 60 credit hours with nothing short of A's. You can't dig yourself a hole in four years and expect to climb out in less than two. If you can spend two -- or even better, three -- years getting straight A's in science classes and do well on the MCAT (30+), I think you'll have a shot.
 
Science GPA: 2.50 (inc. F in Calc IV)
Overall GPA: 3.33

My final couple years, the GPA is about 3.8 (first two it was 2.xx). Unfortunately, no science classes in the last two years.

Your overall GPA is somewhat compensated for due to your excellent trend these past couple of years. However, as you know, that science GPA is real low, especially since no science classes were included in that 3.8 over the past two years. You should probably take an entire year of as many science classes as you feel comfortable taking, knowing you can get A's in them. If you can get it up over a 3.0, then maybe you'd like to apply to schools and an SMP simultaneously after you finish them.
 
Hello all,
Here comes another victim of the low GPA abyss. i don't intend to drown you all in my woes, but after taking a look at my undergrad trnascript, what i witnessed was the product of a brilliant student, who due to poor planning, bad decisions and financial woes could have kissed her MD dreams good bye forever.
I am a chemical engineer, employed in a reputable company, for the past three years , however i have come to the full realization that it was a smart decision financially at the time, but had its consequences.
my undergrad GPA was a 2.9, brought down by a a few courses in psyshology, and a very dreaded upper level humanities class i took as a freshman.started engineering in my junior year at college and completed the curriculum in those two years.
grades physics I and II A and B, Bio I and II B and A, orgo I and II B and B, basically skipped the introductory math courses but got credit for them by just taking the final exams. took upper level math got a B, got a series of A, but most Bs, in my core in engineering classes, and scored a few C.s in a few electives bc just had to get through them.
got a C and B- in gen chem.

Question is? Can a 38 in the MCAT save the day?
should i enroll in a post bacc program to retake gen chem where i scored the weakest and orgo lab (a one credit course i had a C in?)

I already have a masters in Chem Engineering with a 3.5 GPA, and i did take a biochem course in grad school in which i got a B. did a thesis as well.

Help i can't continue to live like this, i want to start thinking about the future and wave good bye to these dark clouds.
 
Hi,
I'm a new member here. After reading many people's posts and stories,I still feel confused and have lots of questions, in terms of improving my undergrad EXTREMELY, NASTY GPA, apply a post-bac program (Do I need to take GRE or there's other requirement to be enrolled?), or taking all the pre-req courses at a state univ (I'm from CA, but don't mind for relocate), what are the options , route, paths for people like me with low UGPA and want to become a doctor?

I'm really inspired and feel encouraged after reading many life-experiences and stories, which give me some hopes and keep me optimistic.
I'm sorry to ask many questions at once, or ask any repetitive questions.

my stats:

UGPA: 2.191 majored in Art History at UCR, 2006


Do I still have a chance? What should/CAN I do??? Thanks in advance!!!!!
 
Hello all,
Here comes another victim of the low GPA abyss. i don't intend to drown you all in my woes, but after taking a look at my undergrad trnascript, what i witnessed was the product of a brilliant student, who due to poor planning, bad decisions and financial woes could have kissed her MD dreams good bye forever.
I am a chemical engineer, employed in a reputable company, for the past three years , however i have come to the full realization that it was a smart decision financially at the time, but had its consequences.
my undergrad GPA was a 2.9, brought down by a a few courses in psyshology, and a very dreaded upper level humanities class i took as a freshman.started engineering in my junior year at college and completed the curriculum in those two years.
grades physics I and II A and B, Bio I and II B and A, orgo I and II B and B, basically skipped the introductory math courses but got credit for them by just taking the final exams. took upper level math got a B, got a series of A, but most Bs, in my core in engineering classes, and scored a few C.s in a few electives bc just had to get through them.
got a C and B- in gen chem.

Question is? Can a 38 in the MCAT save the day?
should i enroll in a post bacc program to retake gen chem where i scored the weakest and orgo lab (a one credit course i had a C in?)

I already have a masters in Chem Engineering with a 3.5 GPA, and i did take a biochem course in grad school in which i got a B. did a thesis as well.

Help i can't continue to live like this, i want to start thinking about the future and wave good bye to these dark clouds.

I personally know someone with an engineering background UG GPA of 2.9 (from a Top 10 school), raised to 3.3 through extensive post bacc work, and a 40+ MCAT who only got into one of the med schools he applied to...the low GPA is an app killer, and a high MCAT helps, but not much...there are always exceptions to the rule, but not very many...
 
^ It depends on the kinds of schools he applied to and how many. ie-did he apply to the top 10 schools or 30 schools of all "levels"
 
Hi everyone!
Im in the same boat as a lot of other people but am still confused about how to make up for my troubled undergrad.
My stats:
2.9 cumulative/science gpa in bio eng.
3.9 masters degree in biomedical engineering, with thesis
have good ECs and will continue with them
not taken the mcat yet, want to wait for more planning first
I understand I will have to put some time/effort/$$ into boosting my grades but I dont know the best route
I have been looking into post-bacc programs both formal and informal to raise ug gpa or an SMP to take medical school courses
I live in NJ and would like to stay here, NY is also a possibility
Still dont know if its better to boost undergrad or do SMP like the GSBS at NJMS which it seems like a lot of people had luck with getting into NJ med schools after completing (which is where I want to be!)
especially this guy:
http://mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=6505
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? I would really appreciate it. Thanks!!
 
Here goes nothing...given the wonderful re-take GPA policy, I'm targeting DO schools.

I *think* my current UG GPA is 2.94 per the DO calculations (I used one of the spreadsheets someone had posted here a while ago). This includes 2 post-bacc math classes I took over the past couple of years. That assumes that - Ws don't affect your GPA, and that my grades from my semester abroad count (my undergrad didn't calculate them into my GPA there, but they are listed on my transcript - anyone know?). Is this right?

I have a MS in broadcast journalism w/approx 3.6 I believe. Also, a 4.0 in two other grad courses I took. (I realize this doesn't count for much)

I have no sciences other than one W and a B in a neuroscience (would that count?) and have just started a post-bacc program. My UG problem - I didn't do the work/didn't go to class. No excuse. I've resolved that issue.

Other stuff:

Worked in health/pharma communications for 5 years

Starting hospital volunteer work in the next month or so (after I do the orientation) Have also done some intense volunteer work w/laboring women in the past, but it was relatively short-lived b/c I got pregnant and morning sickness doesn't really work too well with 12 hour shifts of helping women push

Strong interest in breastfeeding medicine/eduction and hope to put in a good chunk of time w/a doc who specializes in such

Hope to have an opportunity to be co-author on some published/presented research (probably involving cardiovascular disease in ethnic/socioeconomic groups)

Come from a family of physicians (don't know if this is good, bad, or neither here nor there)

Married w/2 kids

And...I would really, really like to stay in New York (downstate). CT and NJ would be good too.

Any thoughts?
 
Let US Know How It Turns Out For You Guys~ You Give Me Hope** 😉
 
^ It depends on the kinds of schools he applied to and how many. ie-did he apply to the top 10 schools or 30 schools of all "levels"

In the case I cite, he applied very broadly, did not just aim high, and only got in to a state school (and not even close to the "top" state school in his state)...
 
i may sound TRIVIAL here, but just here me out!

first of all, why are you guys trying so hard to raise those GPA(s) when in the end, the probably interests from medical schools will be with DO(s)?

i mean, seriously...if ACCREDITED international schools allow IMG(s) to do residency and eventually practice medicine in the US, then why THE HECK WOULD AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WORK SO HARD TO GET ACCEPTED INTO A MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE U.S. when there are other countries out there willing to educate medicine to the student for HALF the price of cost of medical schools in the US?

maybe i'm just missing the point or not seeing the big picture, but after searching through SDN about local (american) medical students, as well as THOSE OF US DOING SO MUCH JUST TO RAISE OUR GPA(s) in hopes of getting to medical schools in america vs. international medical students, all i read is how the PROCESS of being able to obtain and practice medicine in america for IMG(s) is the SAME, if not, SIMILAR to those of local (american) medical graduates?

is it TRUE that IMG(s) go through SIMILAR processes as local (america) medical students in order to obtain a medical license to practice?

i mean, seriously, in america, medical students rack up all kinds of debts from medical school education (not to mention all the stresses of working so hard to raise those GPA(s) during premed because we didn't focus as hard in our younger days), whereas, i read US citizen medical students at international medical schools spend significantly LESS in their medical education.😱

any thought?
 
i may sound TRIVIAL here, but just here me out!

first of all, why are you guys trying so hard to raise those GPA(s) when in the end, the probably interests from medical schools will be with DO(s)?

i mean, seriously...if ACCREDITED international schools allow IMG(s) to do residency and eventually practice medicine in the US, then why THE HECK WOULD AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WORK SO HARD TO GET ACCEPTED INTO A MEDICAL SCHOOL IN THE U.S. when there are other countries out there willing to educate medicine to the student for HALF the price of cost of medical schools in the US?

maybe i'm just missing the point or not seeing the big picture, but after searching through SDN about local (american) medical students, as well as THOSE OF US DOING SO MUCH JUST TO RAISE OUR GPA(s) in hopes of getting to medical schools in america vs. international medical students, all i read is how the PROCESS of being able to obtain and practice medicine in america for IMG(s) is the SAME, if not, SIMILAR to those of local (american) medical graduates?

is it TRUE that IMG(s) go through SIMILAR processes as local (america) medical students in order to obtain a medical license to practice?

i mean, seriously, in america, medical students rack up all kinds of debts from medical school education (not to mention all the stresses of working so hard to raise those GPA(s) during premed because we didn't focus as hard in our younger days), whereas, i read US citizen medical students at international medical schools spend significantly LESS in their medical education.😱

any thought?

Speaking for myself...international schools are probably not an option because:

1. Obtaining your degree in another country may pose significant hurdles to practicing in all or some of the states
2. The quality of education is variable, some foreign graduates have a lot of trouble w/U.S. boards, etc. (some, not all, some foreign schools are terrific, this is not an across-the-board condemnation)
3. Some countries would not allow either myself or my husband to work. I'm not going to ask him to give up his career for four years. He doesn't want to be a stay-at-home Dad
4. Don't necessarily want my kids growing up/going to school for that long in some of the countries/areas
5. My plans are hopefully do-able because we live very close to my family and they help a lot in terms of childcare and innumerable other ways
 
Hi everyone~ been reading a lot of your posts but there are just so many pages..lol. Really want to thank you all for being helpful and posting your experiences.. and was wondering if you could help me with some questions I have, thank you🙂 and sorry for the long post ahead of time

Im in my last year at undergrad..really want to go to medical school. I would like your opinions and suggestions on what I can do to improve my application. My ECs and LORs should be fine. Right now I am just concerned about my gpa and bcpm gpa

I attended three different schools: Case Western, community college, and now at UCSD (due to financial reasons..) so that has been kind of hard for me, transition-wise.

I got Bs in both Gen Chem I and II, A in the lab. I got an A- in Biol I, C in Biol II. These were on semester system. Phys A/B/C my grades were B, B, A. and my junior gpa was just a disaster...had a hard time focusing because some problems came up..

So here are the grades: Genetics C, Metabolic Biochem D, retook it and got a B-, O chem all the way through B, still need to finish the last quarter of it. This summer I began to pick myself up..and got an A in mamm phys as well as some other upper div classes. I hope to get As in most of my classes next year too

My question now is: my pre-reqs are kind of weak. Should I retake some of the pre-req classes? not sure if I should apply post-bacc or SMP? What can I do to prove that I am a competitive applicant?

Thank you all so much in advance 🙂 and good luck to everyone
 
Most schools have a 3.0 cutoff, so I would just take and take courses and get straight As until you get a 3.0 overall. Then you can go from there.

Hi,
I'm a new member here. After reading many people's posts and stories,I still feel confused and have lots of questions, in terms of improving my undergrad EXTREMELY, NASTY GPA, apply a post-bac program (Do I need to take GRE or there's other requirement to be enrolled?), or taking all the pre-req courses at a state univ (I'm from CA, but don't mind for relocate), what are the options , route, paths for people like me with low UGPA and want to become a doctor?

I'm really inspired and feel encouraged after reading many life-experiences and stories, which give me some hopes and keep me optimistic.
I'm sorry to ask many questions at once, or ask any repetitive questions.

my stats:

UGPA: 2.191 majored in Art History at UCR, 2006


Do I still have a chance? What should/CAN I do??? Thanks in advance!!!!!

Dear reddishowner,

I was in the same boat I had a 2.2 cum gpa according to AMCAS. Those that are on the low gpa thread with a 3.7 or 3.8 doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I did a post- bacc program to do the prereqs for medical school after undergrad between work, school, and an illness my gpa as you can see sucked as well as my mcat scores. I then went to a year biomedical sciences program at LECOM that went well, I got good grades in the program and improved my mcat scores but not to the seriously competitive point. I am now currently enrolled in a master's in health sciences program at Touro University that I'm doing very well in.

But with all that said and done I don't feel like I'm any closer to getting into medical school. I have been following the advice of Lokhtar in which for the past 10 years after under grad I have been taking class, after class, after class trying to get to all important 3.0 gpa. I think there comes a time when reality sets in and you realize maybe medical school isn't for me. Because face it we are not all meant to be doctors. Which has been so hard for me to accept since I have wanted to be a doctor since I was 12 years old and have been chasing that dream which seems all my life. I got really close at one point but it still didn't happen. Now I have students loans that is equal to any medical student just trying to get to medical school to take out more loans.

I'm sorry to sound totally discouraging, but I want to help someone else not make the same mistakes I've made. At 33 years old the expression hindsight is 20/20 has never been so true as it is now. Reddishowner, it sounds like you just graduated a year ago you can make smarter choices than I made, for one I would have done a post bacc program sooner. Right after undergrad would have been a good idea. My degree was in psychology that was another mistake. I should have doubled in bio or at least taken some of the courses undergrad, to anyone who isn't currently a biology or some type of science major I suggest you add on a minor or double. Anyways, a post bacc can help boost that gpa and help you to improve your mcat score if you didn't do well the first time. The next step I would have taken would have been a graduate program. A master's in public health is a great option, I wish I had known that sooner if you do well in that kind of program it can definitely help boost your chances. I had a friend that went that route after completing a degree at UCLA with a 2.5 gpa, she went into a MPH program did well and is now doing her residencey in pediatrics in vegas.

I wish you all the best of luck, Take Care!!!!!!
 
Dear reddishowner,

I was in the same boat I had a 2.2 cum gpa according to AMCAS. Those that are on the low gpa thread with a 3.7 or 3.8 doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I did a post- bacc program to do the prereqs for medical school after undergrad between work, school, and an illness my gpa as you can see sucked as well as my mcat scores. I then went to a year biomedical sciences program at LECOM that went well, I got good grades in the program and improved my mcat scores but not to the seriously competitive point. I am now currently enrolled in a master's in health sciences program at Touro University that I'm doing very well in.

But with all that said and done I don't feel like I'm any closer to getting into medical school. I have been following the advice of Lokhtar in which for the past 10 years after under grad I have been taking class, after class, after class trying to get to all important 3.0 gpa. I think there comes a time when reality sets in and you realize maybe medical school isn't for me. Because face it we are not all meant to be doctors. Which has been so hard for me to accept since I have wanted to be a doctor since I was 12 years old and have been chasing that dream which seems all my life. I got really close at one point but it still didn't happen. Now I have students loans that is equal to any medical student just trying to get to medical school to take out more loans.

I'm sorry to sound totally discouraging, but I want to help someone else not make the same mistakes I've made. At 33 years old the expression hindsight is 20/20 has never been so true as it is now. Reddishowner, it sounds like you just graduated a year ago you can make smarter choices than I made, for one I would have done a post bacc program sooner. Right after undergrad would have been a good idea. My degree was in psychology that was another mistake. I should have doubled in bio or at least taken some of the courses undergrad, to anyone who isn't currently a biology or some type of science major I suggest you add on a minor or double. Anyways, a post bacc can help boost that gpa and help you to improve your mcat score if you didn't do well the first time. The next step I would have taken would have been a graduate program. A master's in public health is a great option, I wish I had known that sooner if you do well in that kind of program it can definitely help boost your chances. I had a friend that went that route after completing a degree at UCLA with a 2.5 gpa, she went into a MPH program did well and is now doing her residencey in pediatrics in vegas.

I wish you all the best of luck, Take Care!!!!!!

Man, this situation really sucks. If you can stomach the idea of lots more debt (and if you can find a lender), go to the Caribbea. You can be a doctor if you want, but it will cost you in both time and money.

Also, couldn't you just retake any classes you got F's or D's in (which from your GPA, I'm assuming there must be some)? DO schools count only the retakes. You could easily raise your GPA to a 3.0+ with only a year worth of retakes.
 
Junebuguf, I can't tell you how much hope you have given me. I appreciate your post indicating your successful entrance into Wayne State. You have given me something to work for despite low gpa I have. Good luck with med school!! Wish you the best!! Keep us posted on how you are doing.

By the way, Are there any med schools that has good track record for graduates being able to practice in the U.S.? I am kind of in the mode of do what it takes to be able to practice medicine in the US. If that means going outside of US to go to med school, I would like to keep it in my mind as my options and start looking into them.

I am 38 years-old and, within the last few months, decided to give it a try to see if I can be a physician. I am encouraged by reading about people who are older than I am and getting into med schools.

On top of starting very late, my gpa is very low. (I am talking about 2.25 cumulative.) It is going to take a lot of work to get me into med school. However, at this point, only thing I can do is to try since we all go to the grave someday.

I am hoping to start next semester with my post-bacc work.
 
hey guys after reading this thread for a while i thougth i'd share my situation and see what everyone thinks. i graduated from my state school, with a 3.0gpa and a 2.89 bcpm. i took the mcat and scored pretty poorly(verbal killed me, 10's on the sciences though!) so i'm retaking it in january 08. i'm thinking about the postbac/smp route but with a low gpa im going to have to a stellar mcat score(30+)...or thats what ive come to assume from the threads. recently ive been exposed to osteopathic medicine and am realizing this may be a more suitable philosophy for me and a better chance of getting into a US medical school. Should i retake my cores bio1,chem1 &2, phys 1&2, (got C's main reason why my bcpm/gpa sucks) and apply to DO schools or do u think the smp/postbac masters route would look more favorable? As in oh, he did well on his mcat and has a good masters gpa and clinical experiences despite his poor ugrad gpa...lets let him in!! thanks again for ur everyones help.
 
Lokhtar, i was leaning towards the SMP route also. it allows adcom to see.that i can handle hardcore graduate/medical courses rather than just retaking my pre-reqs in which i was supposed to get A's. Plus if i do really well in the SMP itll look great and boost my application for not only DO schools but maybe some low-tier MDs as well. Thanks for the response!
 
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Quick question...when you apply to SMPs, do they look more at your overall GPA or your bcpm gpa?
 
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i haven't read a sucess story in awhile. this sucks

I'll tell my low-GPA story in gory detail if I get an acceptance this cycle. Hang in there.
 
low gpa here too...2.98cum/2.7sci...going to be a tough road ahead, but im confident i can make it. i plan on re-taking my pre-reqs and whole bunch of other tough upper level science classes. smp it after with a 30+ and hopefully get in somewhere by 2010...i will update the thread w/my progress.
 
After reading so many other people's posts, I've decided to muster up the courage to ask for advice for my situation.

I'm currently a junior, and if all goes decently (grades of A's and B's), I'll graduate with a 3.0 cumulative GPA as a social science major. I started off my undergraduate career at a top-20 college as a premed major, but because I didn't address my depression, it really went into a downward spiral, which interfered with my work and school, I was withdrawn by the recommendation of my therapist. My bad grades were in my pre-req science classes (yes, this includes a couple F's and quite a few D's and a semester's worth of W's🙁) at the first university where I was a science major. After taking a semester off, I went back part time to a lesser known school and made better grades. I've re-taken 1 year of General Chemistry and did well, and I plan on re-taking the rest of my prereqs eventually as a full time student.

I have calculated that it would take me at least 32 hours (8 math/science courses) beyond my pre-reqs to make my BCPM become a 3.0 with my cumulative at 3.25. With just the pre-reqs re-taken, my BCPM would be a 2.65. With horrible stats like this, would I be better off getting pretty much a second bachelor's degree or going for an SMP to make myself a better candidate for medical school. I want to prove that I have changed and that I have the focus and the mental and emotional stability to succeed that I lacked in my first two years of college, but it seems so intimidating, especially since I'm working and paying for everything myself.
 
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