The Official 4/27/13 MCAT Thread

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This might be considered a bit early, but full-time college students need to prepare ahead of time, especially when they are doing a research and volunteering, which requires them to spend at least 30-40 hours per week...

Let's share plans, strategies, schedules, and so on to help each other to crack this exam.
 
Eventually signed up for the 5/11 test. Best of luck guys, I know you'll kill it. I'll still pop my head in here from time to time.
 
How do you know if 33/60 is larger right away unlike 30/60?

Increase the numerator while keeping denominator constant you get a big number. Increase the denominator while keeping numerator constant and you get a smaller number. The technique stated above is how I answer any calculation on the mcat
 
Increase the numerator while keeping denominator constant you get a big number. Increase the denominator while keeping numerator constant and you get a smaller number. The technique stated above is how I answer any calculation on the mcat

No.

For 30/60, it is obvious that 31.5mol NaCl / 58.6 L should be larger since denominator increased and nominator decreased.

However, for 33/60, you cant really tell which is larger/smaller since both denominator and nominator increased. So, how can you tell this number is larger than 31.5mol NaCl / 58.6 L?
 
No.

For 30/60, it is obvious that 31.5mol NaCl / 58.6 L should be larger since denominator increased and nominator decreased.

However, for 33/60, you cant really tell which is larger/smaller since both denominator and nominator increased. So, how can you tell this number is larger than 31.5mol NaCl / 58.6 L?

Think about it as a percent increase. From 31.5 to 33 is a larger percent increase than from 58.6 to 60 (since the absolute increase is larger and the numbers are smaller), so the increase of the numerator outweighs the increase in the denominator.
 
It's taken me an entire day to get a rigorous understanding of buoyant force. I definitely didn't learn fluids as well as I should have when I took physics.
 
Just spit balling here... I'm signing up for the 4/27 exam, and I am lucky enough have a decent amount of free time to devote to studying. I took a three week exam Kracker based prep course this past summer taught by M2 students, after which my practice scores were around 27-29. I made an extremely tough decision to put off taking the exam till this spring because, like all of you I want to kill this thing. In my personal case being a white male from my particular state district is a scarlet letter and thus I need any and everything as a separator from my peers. While I really like the SN2 3 month program, anyone had success in other ways approaching this in a 90 day fashion. At this point I want to narrow my shortcomings rather than maintain my consistencies and strengths. Any advice is much appreciated.
 
Just spit balling here... I'm signing up for the 4/27 exam, and I am lucky enough have a decent amount of free time to devote to studying. I took a three week exam Kracker based prep course this past summer taught by M2 students, after which my practice scores were around 27-29. I made an extremely tough decision to put off taking the exam till this spring because, like all of you I want to kill this thing. In my personal case being a white male from my particular state district is a scarlet letter and thus I need any and everything as a separator from my peers. While I really like the SN2 3 month program, anyone had success in other ways approaching this in a 90 day fashion. At this point I want to narrow my shortcomings rather than maintain my consistencies and strengths. Any advice is much appreciated.

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It's taken me an entire day to get a rigorous understanding of buoyant force. I definitely didn't learn fluids as well as I should have when I took physics.

Man I have this same problem. My physics teacher is terrible, and his tests are far too easy so its such a temptation to just cram the material and never learn it. I'm trying to gain a mastery of it as I go through my prep books, but its pretty tough
 
Hey guys!

Was wondering if you guys could help me out with an orgo question

Which of the following statements CANNOT be true?
I. The C=O bond of an amide is shorter than the C=O bond of a ketone
II. The C-N bond of an amide is shorter than the C-N bond of a primary amine.
III. Amides are more basic than aldehydes

A. I only- Answer
B. III only
C. I and II only
D. I and III only

I understand that III is a correct statement because Ns are known for their basicity. I also understand that Statement I is WRONG because the resonance donation from N allows the C=O bond to have some single bond character so it is longer than the C=O bond of a ketone.

I do not understand how II is correct. I can see how the C-N bond of an amide has double bond character but why can't the the C-N bond of a primary amine have double bond character? N has a lone pair in the primary amine as well so I feel that C-N in a primary amine can have some double bond character. Idk

Thanks!!
 
Hey guys!

Was wondering if you guys could help me out with an orgo question

Which of the following statements CANNOT be true?
I. The C=O bond of an amide is shorter than the C=O bond of a ketone
II. The C-N bond of an amide is shorter than the C-N bond of a primary amine.
III. Amides are more basic than aldehydes

A. I only- Answer
B. III only
C. I and II only
D. I and III only

I understand that III is a correct statement because Ns are known for their basicity. I also understand that Statement I is WRONG because the resonance donation from N allows the C=O bond to have some single bond character so it is longer than the C=O bond of a ketone.

I do not understand how II is correct. I can see how the C-N bond of an amide has double bond character but why can't the the C-N bond of a primary amine have double bond character? N has a lone pair in the primary amine as well so I feel that C-N in a primary amine can have some double bond character. Idk

Thanks!!

It technically can have double bond character but think of the two resonance structures:
amide: negative charge is on oxygen
amine: negative charge is on carbon

The resonance structure for amide with the negative charge on the EN oxygen will contribute much more to the overall structure than the (more) unfavorable negative charge on the carbon for the amine. Therefore, the amide will have MORE double bond character and a shorter bond than the amine (making statement II always true).

It's not just that the resonance exists, have to consider how stable that resonance structure is and how much it would contribute to the actual structure of the molecule.
 
Hows everyone holding up?

Finished EK Bio and Orgo. Taking tomorrow off and starting Gen Chem on Friday.
Hoping to nail down Gen Chem and Physics and start full length CBTs mid March.

Hope everyone is doing well! 👍👍
 
Same path as you. Finishing Bio and Physics today before starting up Gen Chem. Still trying to nail down a consistent strategy for Verbal, pretty soon here I just gotta stick with a method though. Pretty stuck between the reading quick, road map, and spending a lot of time on the questions. Or read slow, comprehend the passage thoroughly, and zoom through the questions. I get inconsistent results with both, I hate it.
 
Same path as you. Finishing Bio and Physics today before starting up Gen Chem. Still trying to nail down a consistent strategy for Verbal, pretty soon here I just gotta stick with a method though. Pretty stuck between the reading quick, road map, and spending a lot of time on the questions. Or read slow, comprehend the passage thoroughly, and zoom through the questions. I get inconsistent results with both, I hate it.

I find attaining a full proof main idea then in turn once I have it answering the questions as quick as possible without hesitation, basing all my answers off the main idea, gets me around a 10-11. Basically read a passage in like 2 mins, taking short 2-5 second breaks between each paragraph just stating the topic of that paragraph, then take 20-30 seconds at the end of the passage contemplating the main idea. Something that include all the topics and is broad enough to encompass the Authors feelings, I tend to use profanity to release stress and get my point across in my main idea. The whole concept behind answering the questions as quick as possible is because I feel like the main idea is fresh in my mind along with how the author feels and once I lose that I'm completely lost, going back to the passage even makes me more lost. Hope this helps 🙂
 
Took my first CBT today aamc 4 and got a 30 10P 10V 10B, I was happy to get good starting ground for the next two months to up my score. Anybody else take some practice test(s)?

Goal: 36 13P 11V 12B
 
Took my first CBT today aamc 4 and got a 30 10P 10V 10B, I was happy to get good starting ground for the next two months to up my score. Anybody else take some practice test(s)?

Goal: 36 13P 11V 12B

I'm re-taking the test 4/26 but I did AAMC 8 this week and got 35 (12ps, 10v, 13bs).
 
ok, ive decided. im taking the 4/27 test!

i want to get my score in just in time to be among the first applicants.

anyway, just did 40 questions from TPR ICC Verbal and got 31. I believe that corresponds to a 10.
I feel much more comfortable with verbal now. But its tough to make that extra push to 11/12. Any suggestions?

And for science, I only have to worry about speed with this. That was my main problem. Even still, i averaged 12/13s on all the AAMC sciences the first time around. But if I could finish with like 20 minutes left like alot of high scorers I know, Im sure Id have time to move into the 14/15 range.
Any suggestions on that as well?

Ive been doing TPR ICC Science passages too. They are TOUGH. I only get about one wrong per passage but it takes me a while to do them (I'm talking like 12+ minutes per). So much for getting faster...
 
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ok, ive decided. im taking the 4/27 test!

i want to get my score in just in time to be among the first applicants.

anyway, just did 40 questions from TPR ICC Verbal and got 31. I believe that corresponds to an 8.
I feel much more comfortable with verbal now. But its tough to make that extra push to 11/12. Any suggestions?

And for science, I only have to worry about speed with this. That was my main problem. Even still, i averaged 12/13s on all the AAMC sciences the first time around. But if I could finish with like 20 minutes left like alot of high scorers I know, Im sure Id have time to move into the 14/15 range.
Any suggestions on that as well?

Ive been doing TPR ICC Science passages too. They are TOUGH. I only get about one wrong per passage but it takes me a while to do them (I'm talking like 12+ minutes per). So much for getting faster...

I think you're at the point in your studying that you should start using rigorous timing. It sounds like you know all the content cold but 12 minutes per passage is going to destroy your score, even if the TPR ICC passages are harder than the real thing.

Better off giving each passage its maximum 8 minutes and getting 2 wrong per passage than getting 1 wrong per passage for the first few and never even getting to the last few!

You have alot of time to get faster though. How long do you spend reading the passage? Do you take notes? Do you end up re-reading the passage several times if a question stumps you?
 
I think you're at the point in your studying that you should start using rigorous timing. It sounds like you know all the content cold but 12 minutes per passage is going to destroy your score, even if the TPR ICC passages are harder than the real thing.

Better off giving each passage its maximum 8 minutes and getting 2 wrong per passage than getting 1 wrong per passage for the first few and never even getting to the last few!

You have alot of time to get faster though. How long do you spend reading the passage? Do you take notes? Do you end up re-reading the passage several times if a question stumps you?

Meant to put I believe I got a 10 (not an 8 as I put before). I think I'm a consistent 10 now thankfully, but I need just one more point :laugh:

and for science, yeah, i'm pretty good at science and so have little difficulty with content.
if I'm reading normal difficulty passages (like AAMC, EK, Kaplan) I could finish an exam just in time. Having given every question a good amount of thought. So I'd say about 8.5 minutes per passage. But that leaves me with pretty much no time to go over marked questions.

I usually read the passage and don't leave it until I completely understand whats going on. Then the questions become trivial to answer. But, for me, I rarely understand topics I haven't seen before when I read it for the first time. I kinda need to mull it over first.
So if its a passage on some topic I came across in my studies, then I could breeze through the passage. But if its on some experiment I haven't seen before, it takes me some time to really understand whats going on since I have to read then "mull it over"
I'd still do quite well on the questions, and even still finish on time, but I cut into the luxury 20 minutes extra that I want so bad when I do that.
 
Meant to put I believe I got a 10 (not an 8 as I put before). I think I'm a consistent 10 now thankfully, but I need just one more point :laugh:

and for science, yeah, i'm pretty good at science and so have little difficulty with content.
if I'm reading normal difficulty passages (like AAMC, EK, Kaplan) I could finish an exam just in time. Having given every question a good amount of thought. So I'd say about 8.5 minutes per passage. But that leaves me with pretty much no time to go over marked questions.

I usually read the passage and don't leave it until I completely understand whats going on. Then the questions become trivial to answer. But, for me, I rarely understand topics I haven't seen before when I read it for the first time. I kinda need to mull it over first.
So if its a passage on some topic I came across in my studies, then I could breeze through the passage. But if its on some experiment I haven't seen before, it takes me some time to really understand whats going on since I have to read then "mull it over"
I'd still do quite well on the questions, and even still finish on time, but I cut into the luxury 20 minutes extra that I want so bad when I do that.

7 passages * 8.5 minutes a passage = 59 minutes, 30 seconds.. leaving you 10 and a half minutes to do the discretes + marked questions..

Not the greatest, I'd try to cut that down to 7-7:30. You WILL hit a passage that takes you much longer than your average at some point in your real MCAT so you have to make sure you're good on time.
 
Haven't studied in roughly a week and it's getting to me. I had a research methods exam, lengthy (14 page) psychology paper, and 8 page data analysis project due this week, with an orgo II exam to prepare for next week.

I'm taking my first full length on March 9th at a Kaplan event on campus. It'll be a miracle if I complete my physics review by then.
 
7 passages * 8.5 minutes a passage = 59 minutes, 30 seconds.. leaving you 10 and a half minutes to do the discretes + marked questions..

Not the greatest, I'd try to cut that down to 7-7:30. You WILL hit a passage that takes you much longer than your average at some point in your real MCAT so you have to make sure you're good on time.

yea. I may even aim for 6 min/per. Since 6*7 = 42 +10 (for descretes) = 52 minutes. 18 minutes left should be more than enough. Now, I just gotta do it. sigghhhh.


Anyway, the TPRH freestanding questions are REALLY good. Like even better than ek 1001. I think I'm gonna use those to review all the content I learned and only go to 1001 for topics that are giving me trouble. like specialized practice or something.

did another 5 verbal passages today and got the equivalent of a 10. ALthough, I took these passages like 7 months ago so theres some serious inflation there. sighhh lmao.

on to tbr...
 
Haven't studied in roughly a week and it's getting to me. I had a research methods exam, lengthy (14 page) psychology paper, and 8 page data analysis project due this week, with an orgo II exam to prepare for next week.

I'm taking my first full length on March 9th at a Kaplan event on campus. It'll be a miracle if I complete my physics review by then.

That sucks man. The MCAT will be sooner than you know it, school courses are simply getting in the way of adequate prep
 
I find attaining a full proof main idea then in turn once I have it answering the questions as quick as possible without hesitation, basing all my answers off the main idea, gets me around a 10-11. Basically read a passage in like 2 mins, taking short 2-5 second breaks between each paragraph just stating the topic of that paragraph, then take 20-30 seconds at the end of the passage contemplating the main idea. Something that include all the topics and is broad enough to encompass the Authors feelings, I tend to use profanity to release stress and get my point across in my main idea. The whole concept behind answering the questions as quick as possible is because I feel like the main idea is fresh in my mind along with how the author feels and once I lose that I'm completely lost, going back to the passage even makes me more lost. Hope this helps 🙂

Yeah I agree with all that basically, and it's partly worked for me. But what about when the detail questions come up and you have to go back to the passage to find the answer and it takes you a minute? This is what kills me and ends up throwing off my timing and doing poorly.
 
That sucks man. The MCAT will be sooner than you know it, school courses are simply getting in the way of adequate prep

True. Luckily, letting my guard down on a couple of my classes this semester won't seriously affect my GPA. My prep has been pretty rigorous up to this point.
 
Yeah I agree with all that basically, and it's partly worked for me. But what about when the detail questions come up and you have to go back to the passage to find the answer and it takes you a minute? This is what kills me and ends up throwing off my timing and doing poorly.

First of all you might get a handful of questions on the verbal section that involves something descriptive or specific. Up to this point I've been pretty good about remembering where something is in a passage or the general vicinity. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe AAMC has added the search feature to their exams. I saw it on the new aamc I took the other day. It's located in the top left corner. If that's how it will be then it will be even easier to find something. I noticed the feature on the sixth passage when I got a specific question, but I didn't need to use it.
 
First of all you might get a handful of questions on the verbal section that involves something descriptive or specific. Up to this point I've been pretty good about remembering where something is in a passage or the general vicinity. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe AAMC has added the search feature to their exams. I saw it on the new aamc I took the other day. It's located in the top left corner. If that's how it will be then it will be even easier to find something. I noticed the feature on the sixth passage when I got a specific question, but I didn't need to use it.

:wtf: no way. that would be a MUCH bigger deal and all over these forum threads if that were the case.

that'd be sick tho...
 
:wtf: no way. that would be a MUCH bigger deal and all over these forum threads if that were the case.

that'd be sick tho...

Yea I'm going to call aamc and see what's the deal, but really though the new aamc has removed the writing and in the top left corner it has a empty box and a button that says search
 
So, um, I just took AAMC 4 today and got a 41. 14/12/15. Not really sure how to feel about that... :/

Anyway, how is everyone else doing here? Its been awfully quiet.
 
So, um, I just took AAMC 4 today and got a 41. 14/12/15. Not really sure how to feel about that... :/

Anyway, how is everyone else doing here? Its been awfully quiet.

Doing ok, trying to play catch up on weekends. Certainly nothing like a 41 on the practice. Nice!
 
So, um, I just took AAMC 4 today and got a 41. 14/12/15. Not really sure how to feel about that... :/

Anyway, how is everyone else doing here? Its been awfully quiet.

Yeah man a 41 on an AAMC practice test is awful, you should just give up trying to be a doctor and pursue nursing school :laugh:
 
Yeah man a 41 on an AAMC practice test is awful, you should just give up trying to be a doctor and pursue nursing school :laugh:

lol na. im a retaker. its been over half a year since I took this practice test and I didn't remember much, but still ya know?
 
So, um, I just took AAMC 4 today and got a 41. 14/12/15. Not really sure how to feel about that... :/

Anyway, how is everyone else doing here? Its been awfully quiet.

What's up with the low verbal score? ESL?

Honestly, I don't think you can cut it in medicine with such a low subsection score...
 
ok, ive decided. im taking the 4/27 test!

i want to get my score in just in time to be among the first applicants.

anyway, just did 40 questions from TPR ICC Verbal and got 31. I believe that corresponds to a 10.
I feel much more comfortable with verbal now. But its tough to make that extra push to 11/12. Any suggestions?

And for science, I only have to worry about speed with this. That was my main problem. Even still, i averaged 12/13s on all the AAMC sciences the first time around. But if I could finish with like 20 minutes left like alot of high scorers I know, Im sure Id have time to move into the 14/15 range.
Any suggestions on that as well?

Ive been doing TPR ICC Science passages too. They are TOUGH. I only get about one wrong per passage but it takes me a while to do them (I'm talking like 12+ minutes per). So much for getting faster...

I read a suggestion once on SDN and I've been following it since.

For the BS and the PS, try to read the passage and get the main clues in 2 mins. Don't get so hung up on details, tables and figures, and pathways. A quick glance over the data is enough to give you a hint in the right direction. The reason for this is because the passage often contains information you don't need, so why bother?

After reading the passage, head to the questions, and refer back to the passage whenever you need to fish for details since now you know where to find them. Give each question on average of 1 min. So for a 6 question passage, you should time yourself to spend no more than 8 mins. If you get stuck on solving one particular question make an educational guess an move on. If you have time left of the time allocated for that passage revisit it, if not screw it (hard questions weigh as much as the easy ones). Doing this will result in 14 mins to read all 7 passages + 52 mins to do all the questions. You will have 4 mins at the end to revisit those questions that you guessed on.
 
So, um, I just took AAMC 4 today and got a 41. 14/12/15. Not really sure how to feel about that... :/

Anyway, how is everyone else doing here? Its been awfully quiet.

Redoing passages and questions that you've gone over at some point in your life will cause some inflation in your score. However, scoring 41 is great regardless. It's highly unlikely that you remember the correct response for every single question, especially for the ones that you answered correctly on your first take.

Celebrate. It's an awesome score. If I were to score that on my AAMC 3 retake (I took it last June), I will cream all over the keyboard.
 
lol na. im a retaker. its been over half a year since I took this practice test and I didn't remember much, but still ya know?

Do you remember what you got before or roughly the improvement in this score? What did you do differently or change to get a really (really) good score?
 
Finishing up my physics review now. I've saved all of my passages and discretes to be completed after my content review. Until March 9th (my first Kaplan FL), I will be drilling myself with questions everyday. I'm also beginning a rigorous VR prep this weekend that will continue until exam day.

Anyone else keep getting held up by schoolwork?

Took AAMC 3 today (first time) and got a 36 (13/12/11). Feeling good, but 4/27 is a while away.

Amazing job!
 
Do you remember what you got before or roughly the improvement in this score? What did you do differently or change to get a really (really) good score?

yea, i got a 32 the first time i took it. 12/9/11

I think the first time around I was so focused on mastering content that I lost sight of the purpose of the MCAT - the application of that content. I would go on week long diversions studying some random minute detail because I found it hard to just accept some of the things we're just told to remember in the review books.

So, while that hurt me then, it benefited me now since I didn't have to do anything like that anymore. Content review took me only like a month of audio osmosis. I've been focusing much more on actual passages.

Biggest change has been with verbal though. I score atleast a 10 on any test I take. First time around, I struggled to pass a 6. That was also likely because I was so consumed with mastering content that I didn't have much time for passage practice (both science and verbal passages).

Redoing verbal passages has been a HUGE HUGE help contrary to what most people think. It really forces you to extract the most you can out of the passages you do.
 
I read a suggestion once on SDN and I've been following it since.

For the BS and the PS, try to read the passage and get the main clues in 2 mins. Don't get so hung up on details, tables and figures, and pathways. A quick glance over the data is enough to give you a hint in the right direction. The reason for this is because the passage often contains information you don't need, so why bother?

After reading the passage, head to the questions, and refer back to the passage whenever you need to fish for details since now you know where to find them. Give each question on average of 1 min. So for a 6 question passage, you should time yourself to spend no more than 8 mins. If you get stuck on solving one particular question make an educational guess an move on. If you have time left of the time allocated for that passage revisit it, if not screw it (hard questions weigh as much as the easy ones). Doing this will result in 14 mins to read all 7 passages + 52 mins to do all the questions. You will have 4 mins at the end to revisit those questions that you guessed on.
Hmm. I normally make sure I understand everything about the passage before reading the questions and still end up with about 5 minutes left to review. So the 4 minutes left that your plan proposes wouldn't be ideal for me. BUT, it does sound like it could work. I'll try it, and if I can squeeze out an extra 5 or so minutes to review at the end, then I will have myself a brand new strategy! hahah

Redoing passages and questions that you've gone over at some point in your life will cause some inflation in your score. However, scoring 41 is great regardless. It's highly unlikely that you remember the correct response for every single question, especially for the ones that you answered correctly on your first take.

Celebrate. It's an awesome score. If I were to score that on my AAMC 3 retake (I took it last June), I will cream all over the keyboard.

Thanks! I wanted to like legit jump out of a building! lol. Hopefully, that inflation isn't too much. I'll do some Kaplan tests that I haven't seen before as well to help give me a better idea.
 
On the final leg of content review.

Starting EK Gen Chem today. Hoping to finish by the end of the week. Spend 1 week reviewing all content--then have a little over a month and a half of practice exams.

Edit: I have all the AMC Practice Exams, Paper Kaplan Practice Tests, and the Princeton Review Cracking the MCAT Practice Exams (4 of em).

Anyone else recommend any companies practice exams? GoldStandard or TBR or anyone else?

Edit 2: Anyone also have recommendations for Passages? I have TPR HL and EK 101 Passages for Verbal. Nothing significant for Bio, Chem, and Phys.
 
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On the final leg of content review.

Starting EK Gen Chem today. Hoping to finish by the end of the week. Spend 1 week reviewing all content--then have a little over a month and a half of practice exams.

Edit: I have all the AMC Practice Exams, Paper Kaplan Practice Tests, and the Princeton Review Cracking the MCAT Practice Exams (4 of em).

Anyone else recommend any companies practice exams? GoldStandard or TBR or anyone else?

Edit 2: Anyone also have recommendations for Passages? I have TPR HL and EK 101 Passages for Verbal. Nothing significant for Bio, Chem, and Phys.

What have you been doing for verbal during your content review? And how much verbal are you gonna do once you start taking FL's?
 
So, I'll be taking AAMC 5 tomorrow. Kinda scared of taking it because I might not do as well as I did on 4 lol. But we'll see. Anyway, I'll be taking a Kaplan bio section tests. I know those are supposed to be BRUTAL, so pray for me LOL.
 
So, I'll be taking AAMC 5 tomorrow. Kinda scared of taking it because I might not do as well as I did on 4 lol. But we'll see. Anyway, I'll be taking a Kaplan bio section tests. I know those are supposed to be BRUTAL, so pray for me LOL.

I've got AAMC 5 tomorrow as well. Good luck! you taking it at test time (8 AM for me)?
 
I've got AAMC 5 tomorrow as well. Good luck! you taking it at test time (8 AM for me)?

Nice dude! We should discuss how it went when we're both finished with it tomorrow.
Since the 4/27 test will be at 1pm, I figure I should probably take AAMC 5 at 1 also.


Oh, and I just finished Kaplan Biology Section Test 1. Got a 94%!!!! (49/52).! It was rough, no doubt, but I was able to keep myself composed and remind myself that it was all simply basic science with a little makeup. 😀 A 49/52 correlates to like a 14 or something right? (Good thing Kaplan doesn't give scaled scores to its section tests. Knowing how ridiculous their curves are, I probably would've gotten like a 20 or something ahaha!).
 
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