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Hi all,
I need some advice on SMP's.
Here is my background info: went to UC Davis, low GPA (2.4) initially enjoyed college a little too much, then father diagnosed with chronic disease, eventually came back around finished last year strong with 3.5 GPA. Current overall and sGPA is 2.5, scheduled for MCAT in April, pratice MCAT 29-30.
Good EC, LOT: 2 years volunteer research 1 year full-time research, Co-author publication, volunteer at underprivileged clinic in Mexico.

I am wondering if you guys can recommend possible SMP programs that I should concider with my stats.
 
Hi all,
I need some advice on SMP's.
Here is my background info: went to UC Davis, low GPA (2.4) initially enjoyed college a little too much, then father diagnosed with chronic disease, eventually came back around finished last year strong with 3.5 GPA. Current overall and sGPA is 2.5, scheduled for MCAT in April, pratice MCAT 29-30.
Good EC, LOT: 2 years volunteer research 1 year full-time research, Co-author publication, volunteer at underprivileged clinic in Mexico.

I am wondering if you guys can recommend possible SMP programs that I should concider with my stats.

Hey PMDawn, try every one that you can, finances permitting. It becomes a crapshoot with guys like us with weak academic records. And like GujuDoc said, look at the postbacs before the SMPs, which can be more competitive.

Needless to say, you'll need a solid MCAT to show that your GPA was circumstantial.
 
You might want to do a postbac instead. Your GPA is rather low and well below the requirements.

Agreed. Being that far below a 3.0 is going to take you out of the running for a lot of the SMPs. A structured post-bac program might be the way to go first, combined with a solid MCAT of course. Good luck
 
Thanks for all the help guys.

I ran across some info about Harvard Extension. I have looked into this both as a Post-bac and Masters in Bio (Called ALM at Harvard Extension).
Does anyone have any recommendation on this? The Harvard extension website says they give Diplomas to people that have NOT taken Med-School pre-reqs (which I have), but they also say they offer upper division courses for people like me. Does this mean I can take Upper Division courses and retake GenChem to boost my GPA, I just wont qualify for a Diploma?

Masters at Harvard Extension: http://extension.harvard.edu/2008-09/programs/alm/reqs/field.jsp#a

Health Careers Program: http://extension.harvard.edu/hcp/
 
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Hi guys...so my stats are:

Grad. in '08 with a B.S. in chem, cum. gpa 2.9, MCAT 19...Completed all my pre-reqs with B's and some C's..I am currently taking upper level bio. classes and have A's them all..

But i feel like the univ. doesnt offer too many options in bio. upper levels (i've taken almost all the med. related ones) so I plan to enroll in the UTD cert. program...(will this count towards my undergrad. gpa?)

EC's consisted of many leadership positions, comm. service, but no shadowing (besides doing the health class in high school-> E.R. shadowing for 2 years, about 2 hours a day = 10 hrs a week)

So my plan is:

Summer research
Volunteer at a free clinic

Enroll in UTD cert. prog.
Only take the MCAT if/when I can score a 30 +

And than apply to med. school

Thanks to Dr. Midlife whose already helped me..

If anyone else has any more advice/suggestions please let me know!
 
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To anyone that knows this here is a question for you all:

So on one of the SMP threads someone mentioned that only 15% of a class gets As in a given class. so what is a reasonable GPA to get in an SMP since its highly doubtable that everyone gets a 4.0????

At what point does an SMP hurt you? i.e. ideally what GPA should you try to maintain in an SMP at any given time minimally? Obviously we'd try to shoot past that minimum but out of curiousity what would most schools deem a minimally acceptable GPA out of an SMP?

Well first of all, no two SMPs are exactly alike. I know for sure at mine there was no set percentages of A's, B's, etc. Of course not everyone gets a 4.0 either.

Anyway, a reasonable GPA would be 3.7 or above in my opinion. Certainly a GPA of 3.5 or below would be detrimental in my view. You would have to be struggling significantly in more than one class to have such a low GPA (by SMP standards), and that can call into question your ability to perform in med classes.

You will probably get multiple opinions on this one! But the GPA cut off is going to be higher (and should be) than a ugrad GPA.
 
Thanks for your help in the past gujiDoc. I've been accepted so I won't be needing to do a SMP 🙂
 
hey all, i'm just finishing up my sophomore year, so i'm not going to be applying to postbacs anytime soon. right now, i'm studying in michigan, but my dream schools are in CA...do you guys know if it's at all possible to get CA residency after attending a CA postbac? i know that OH and possibly NY allow residency...but i wasn't sure about CA. The UC website says you have to reside in CA for one year, but i'm not sure if that one year would count if my reason for being there was for education. any thoughts? thanks!
 
I applied to medical school this application cycle and was not successful for US school (got accepted to Sackler in Tel Aviv, I may attend). If I stay, I'm considering applying for SMP's instead of staying at my research job.

But if I complete a program like Georgetown or NY Medical College's in basic medical science, and still don't get into medical school, then is the Master's a waste? I guess I were to go back to research I could get paid more at a tech job, or apply some credits to a PhD Program.

Thoughts/ideas?
 
I applied to medical school this application cycle and was not successful for US school (got accepted to Sackler in Tel Aviv, I may attend). If I stay, I'm considering applying for SMP's instead of staying at my research job.

But if I complete a program like Georgetown or NY Medical College's in basic medical science, and still don't get into medical school, then is the Master's a waste? I guess I were to go back to research I could get paid more at a tech job, or apply some credits to a PhD Program.

Thoughts/ideas?

It depends what you mean by "waste". No matter what the outcome of your medical school application after doing an SMP, you still have that "MS" after your name. Most places won't care that it was an MS from an SMP (none of them will know what that means anyway haha). Now I can tell you that many graduates from my SMP class had lots of trouble finding jobs while we were applying to med school this past year (myself included), even with that Masters...it was more or less useless for most of us.
On the other hand, I think if you already have research credentials and certain skills that would be useful in a lab, then an MS after your name will definitely give you a nice boost in job searches as well as PhD programs. Many of us did not have such skills or background.

It's very possible also that our job troubles were a result of the economy in general (employers want cheap labor and someone with a Masters might ask for a lot of money...little did they know, lots of us were desperate haha).

Good luck👍
 
You could use it to get into a PhD program. Remember that a certain percentage still get in after doing the program rather then while in the program.

What is your situation? Are you a permanent resident or citizen or a Canadian? What are you stats like? What is your home state? What is your ECs? These things will beter help to determine how useful it may be to do ne of these programs.

My undergrad GPA is 3.57 with 3.22 BCPM. MCAT 30P, NY state resident. I spoke with the Dean of Admissions at one of the top schools here in NYC (a family friend connected us, who runs the hospital there), and she said that I would really need many more science credits of higher grades in order to strengthen my application.

I was considering this offer from Sackler, especially because I would want to come back to the NYC area for internal medicine, but I really don't want to leave my boyfriend of almost 5 years.

I'm leaning towards keeping my research job, taking an immunology course on the side, and then seeing if in a year I feel that something were to be really missing in my life if I just did research.
 
I would personally just take a few more courses instead of doing a SMP. It's likely you'll get in with a broad app and some more ECs, and it's much safer than doing a SMP. Your grades are almost at the matriculant average, you definitely don't need a SMP.
 
But wouldn't the lower BCPM hurt him? It seems like its the overall that is ok but the bcpm is on the lower side and unless he does 2 years or so to bring it up, that wouldn't do much. I'm confused.

No, I don't think it will make that much of a difference, and certainly not enough to do a SMP. It's somewhat lower than the matriculant average but I think they'd be fine with just taking a few courses. Of course, improving their MCAT wouldn't hurt.
 
I figured I'd ask since I've been reading this forum for a while. I started college wanting to go into informatics as a major and took a couple of programming classes and realized CS isn't something I really enjoy doing. I also wasted a lot of time and wasn't as dedicated to my studies as I could b and graduated with a cumm GPA of a 2.49. I figured out too late in college that to ever reach my goals of med school I needed to take things seriously and really buckle down and put my efforts into it. The year after I graduated and I moved to Westwood. I'm currently at UCLA taking classes for a general science post bacc through their extension center. I took their EMT program and will be starting to volunteer at UCLA santa monica in a few weeks. I also recently got hired by a 911/IFT ambulance company and will be working full time as a EMT for the rest of the year. Recently took the MCATs for the first time and got a 25O. I really feel like I ran out of time to study and I felt like I took the test with a lot of holes in my studies and haven't really peaked out when I took it. Is there anything else you guys could recommend I try or help me improve my chances of getting into a SMP/more structured post-bacc?
 
I figured I'd ask since I've been reading this forum for a while. I started college wanting to go into informatics as a major and took a couple of programming classes and realized CS isn't something I really enjoy doing. I also wasted a lot of time and wasn't as dedicated to my studies as I could b and graduated with a cumm GPA of a 2.49. I figured out too late in college that to ever reach my goals of med school I needed to take things seriously and really buckle down and put my efforts into it. The year after I graduated and I moved to Westwood. I'm currently at UCLA taking classes for a general science post bacc through their extension center. I took their EMT program and will be starting to volunteer at UCLA santa monica in a few weeks. I also recently got hired by a 911/IFT ambulance company and will be working full time as a EMT for the rest of the year. Recently took the MCATs for the first time and got a 25O. I really feel like I ran out of time to study and I felt like I took the test with a lot of holes in my studies and haven't really peaked out when I took it. Is there anything else you guys could recommend I try or help me improve my chances of getting into a SMP/more structured post-bacc?

have you considered the Caribbean?
 
have you considered the Caribbean?

Am I even competitive for the caribbean? I didn't realize they would take someone such as myself.

So I'm guessing that all you took was prereqs right? My advice is to do a science degree as a separate bachelor's degree and get as close to a 4.0 as possible. So you could do say biology or something like that and do really well. Take classes like Molecular Biology, a higher level course of Anatomy, a higher level course of Physiology, Microbiology, Biochemistry, Genetics, Cell Biology, etc. Then retake the MCAT and get your score up. If you still feel you need an SMP after that, I'd do one then. Remember postbac doesn't mean formal postbac always but means getting another degree or certificate with the prereqs for career changers or even taking the prereqs post graduation of a previous bachelor's degree. So there are many options. UCLA is a good school so I'd do a biology program of some sort there and then get that second degree with higher marks. If you do that you might be fine and if you still need an SMP after that it will be around.

Try to do at least 60 credits worth.

I probably should have been more clear when I first posted but I graduated with a bio sci degree already so would taking another bio degree really be beneficial or would I be better served just finishing 60 credits through this extension post-bacc which does reward a certificate?
 
Am I even competitive for the caribbean? I didn't realize they would take someone such as myself.

I think you're a viable candidate for at least 3 of the big 4... SGU might be a stretch but the other schools should be fine. I think that'd be a better path than taking 3+ years and tens of thousands of dollars to TRY to become competitive for a US school. If you're dedicated and really want to be a doctor that's the path I'd take.
 
Ive got my phone interview for TCMC(the commonwealth medical college of scranton PA) coming up soon and am getting nervous! Anyone have any advice on how to prepare? Ive been reading up a little on current events but am behind on them and nervous they'll ask me about events I dont know anything about.

Just got the news that I'm waitlisted at EVMS and Cincinnatti so am hoping they start to move soon!
 
Hey guys, Im a litte confused!

So I grad. witha ugpa is 2.9, and so I figured I would bring that up to a 3.0 + with upper level/advanced post bacc classes...

However I have been in touch with the admissions committees for Texas Med schools and it seems that they have basically said that..

Your ugpa is what you graduate with. It cannot be altered. Any undergrad coursework done after completion of bachelors is counted as Post bacc GPA which is different (despite you taking undergrad. classes), so really my 2.9 wont go up to a 3.0 + since, well...It got "locked" (as UTSW put it) once I grad. with that...

For me, it works out, since I have all A's in my post bacc ungrad. upper levels..thats means I have a 4.0 gpa at the post bacc level 🙂

Also they have told me that I have to achieve a 4.0 for 30-45 post bacc upper levels

and lastly they prefer undergrad. upper levels over Masters...

So hearing all of this I was mighty pleased since I have a 4.0 post bacc wise, I have only 3-4 more classes to hit 40-45 hours, and I have been rejected from masters programs...

Should I be this happy?
 
Should I be this happy?

Individual schools can do whatever they want with the data reported by TMDSAS. However, as of '08, the TMDSAS summary does include postbac in the undergrad calcs. The "weight" of postbac is the same, on the summary, as any other year (fresh, soph, junior, senior).

So at least on the summary, you should be reaping the cumulative-over-3.0 benefit as well as the 4.0-in-postbac benefit.

It looks to me like UTSW and the other schools would have to do work to separate postbac out from "prebac," but I don't have any inside info on whether they do this work or not.

Best of luck to you.
 
35 S (11 V) MCAT, but 2.95 GPA from top 10 ugrad. How rigid is this 3.0 minimum GPA cutoff for better-known SMPs? (sorry if this has already been answered).
 
35 S (11 V) MCAT, but 2.95 GPA from top 10 ugrad. How rigid is this 3.0 minimum GPA cutoff for better-known SMPs? (sorry if this has already been answered).

You'd definitely be a good candidate for EVMS...
 
Like dritz stated, def. in the running for EVMS. But I think you might still hold a chance at Gtown, BU MAMS, and a few others despite being slightly under GPA wise just cuz of your high MCAT. But it is better to contact programs and see what they say.

Thanks all for the advice. The gpa might actually be higher than that, because I had to retake a class and got A- the second time. My school, however, does not factor retakes into GPA, so 2.95 corresponds to the low grade alone.
 
35 S (11 V) MCAT, but 2.95 GPA from top 10 ugrad. How rigid is this 3.0 minimum GPA cutoff for better-known SMPs? (sorry if this has already been answered).

At Georgetown they hold semi-strictly to the 3.0 requirement... If you have exceptional statistics the SMP may accept you, they then have to petition to the Graduate school to admit you despite your GPA. From what I hear these are often granted since the Graduate school trusts the SMP to choose its students. So it is definitely possible!
 
This year I applied to both SMPs and Caribbean schools with a 2.96 cGPA and 29N MCAT. So far I've been waitlisted at EVMS, Tufts, and UC, accepted to Ross, with an interview for SGU this weekend. I'm Canadian and I've never tried applying for US med schools (or even that many canadian ones...). I'm retaking the MCAT this summer but my mother advises me to "make hay while the sun shines" and just go carib, but I feel like I can't go without exploring other, more local, options.

Basically, I don't know which is the bigger risk. Remaining on these waitlists to get into an SMP, and then maybe going to a north american med school afterwards, or going straight to the caribbean in september. I'm not really in a rush, but I don't want to do something silly that I'll regret for the rest of my life. Advice???
 
This year I applied to both SMPs and Caribbean schools with a 2.96 cGPA and 29N MCAT. So far I've been waitlisted at EVMS, Tufts, and UC, accepted to Ross, with an interview for SGU this weekend. I'm Canadian and I've never tried applying for US med schools (or even that many canadian ones...). I'm retaking the MCAT this summer but my mother advises me to "make hay while the sun shines" and just go carib, but I feel like I can't go without exploring other, more local, options.

Basically, I don't know which is the bigger risk. Remaining on these waitlists to get into an SMP, and then maybe going to a north american med school afterwards, or going straight to the caribbean in september. I'm not really in a rush, but I don't want to do something silly that I'll regret for the rest of my life. Advice???
Bolded is your answer. I view the Carib schools as a last last last resort. Least bang for your buck, most obstacles to entry. As in, go Carib if you've maxed out your undergrad GPA (happens at around the 6-years-of-undergrad mark) and already taken the MCAT 3 times, and maybe not done so well in an SMP. Then it makes sense to take what you can get. You're not there.

In your shoes I'd do additional undergrad to get over a 3.0, and retake the MCAT for a 35+, and do an SMP, in order to get into a US MD school. Maybe try to get married to a US citizen, so you're not competing against other Canadians for int'l seats. And I wouldn't do any of this stuff for a couple of years - take a break, get some work experience, travel, be young & fabulous.

Best of luck to you.
 
First post, yay!

Kayso here's the deal with me. Recent grad of a certain east coast jesuit school with a pretty well recognized SMP, you connect the dots. Didn't do as well as I would have hoped through undergrad, grades show it (bout 2.75 sci, 2.9 overall). Still rocked the MCAT though at 37S junior year without taking Physics yet at that point. Tons of experiences - thesis lab and library research, shadowing a neurosurgeon in a top25 in the world hospital, 7 years volunteering at a camp for kids with severe medical issues, couple years vol in physical therapy, you get the idea. Add in the nonmedical stuff, like undergrad student government, and being a board member in a couple other groups, and I think I have a pretty well-rounded resume. Did I mention I TEACH the MCAT now too?

Went through the 09 med application cycle and *pfft* nadda. Not MD, not DO, not so much as an interview, just got my last notification. SO obviously timewise, it couldn't be worse to be looking for a/an SMP since places like EVMS, UT, etc have had deadlines pass, or a large number are coming up on 6/1 so the process would be crazy to get done in time.

For someone in my position - 2.75 sci, 2.9 cum // top 10 level undergrad institution // 37S MCAT first try // 1 year already out of school // deadlines looming....what should I do? I've found admissions people to be relatively unhelpful at most places I've called ("We look at the whoooole application"...yeah right 🙄, then why did you disqualify me based on GPA the first time??) and don't give good info in terms of how competitive my numbers/experiences are. So far, I was thinking UC, G'town (ahem), BU, maybe Drexel? Anyone I'm overlooking or I should absolutely get on ASAP? I also don't want to send out something to EVERYWHERE either, as I'm already putting people writing me letters on the edge with deadlines and app fees are horrible.

ANY advice would be amazingg.
 
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First post, yay!

Kayso here's the deal with me. Recent grad of a certain east coast jesuit school with a pretty well recognized SMP, you connect the dots. Didn't do as well as I would have hoped through undergrad, grades show it (bout 2.75 sci, 2.9 overall). Still rocked the MCAT though at 37S junior year without taking Physics yet at that point. Tons of experiences - thesis lab and library research, shadowing a neurosurgeon in a top25 in the world hospital, 7 years volunteering at a camp for kids with severe medical issues, couple years vol in physical therapy, you get the idea. Add in the nonmedical stuff, like undergrad student government, and being a board member in a couple other groups, and I think I have a pretty well-rounded resume. Did I mention I TEACH the MCAT now too?

Went through the 09 med application cycle and *pfft* nadda. Not MD, not DO, not so much as an interview, just got my last notification. SO obviously timewise, it couldn't be worse to be looking for a/an SMP since places like EVMS, UT, etc have had deadlines pass, or a large number are coming up on 6/1 so the process would be crazy to get done in time.

For someone in my position - 2.75 sci, 2.9 cum // top 10 level undergrad institution // 37S MCAT first try // 1 year already out of school // deadlines looming....what should I do? I've found admissions people to be relatively unhelpful at most places I've called ("We look at the whoooole application"...yeah right 🙄, then why did you disqualify me based on GPA the first time??) and don't give good info in terms of how competitive my numbers/experiences are. So far, I was thinking UC, G'town (ahem), BU, maybe Drexel? Anyone I'm overlooking or I should absolutely get on ASAP? I also don't want to send out something to EVERYWHERE either, as I'm already putting people writing me letters on the edge with deadlines and app fees are horrible.

ANY advice would be amazingg.

Do you care what kind of school you goto? DO/MD? Also do you really care about the type of school you would goto? I think a significant amount of people go to their SMP school. At this point, I think you should apply broadly and apply to as many programs that interest you. Your GPA is kinda low but you have an awesome MCAT score so I think you have a good chance to get accepted somewhere. But as you know, we are close to the deadlines so you are competing for fewer seats. I looked up the georgetown smp deadline because I thoguth it was 5/15 but they extended it to 5/18... (still too late...) Maybe give them a call/e-mail? At this point, I think if you want to get in to a SMP you should apply very broadly and as many places that somewhat interest you. Having more options is never a bad thing and I don't think saving a few dollars at the risk of not being able to go to a SMP for a year is not worth it.

If you are willing to do DO (you applied to some so I am guessing yes...), maybe consider retaking the science classes that you did badly in since they will allow grade substitution where the most recent grade can replace the older grade. This might be a fast way to improve the GPA without going through a SMP. There are also DO SMPs. Good luck~ :luck:
 
Hi, my name is David and I'm trying to make a decision. My current GPA, as it stands, is a mere 3.2 and is not enough for medical school and my MCAT is only a 35 which isn't enough to compensate for it. I recently applied for graduate school special masters program and got into the Boston University Special Masters of Medical Science and I've applied for a few more (Georgetown, Temple University, Rosalind Franklin, U. Penn, U. Cincinnati, Mount Sinai, Drexel, Loyola, Dartmouth and New York Medical College). My question now is are these programs actually beneficial to me? Some of these programs are Post-Bacc style programs while others offer me the opportunity to take the first year of medical school classes. Of the two, which one should I take and if I do demonstrate that I can academically perform (3.5 GPA or above) and I do reapply, would medical schools hold this against me? Secondly, since I already got into Boston University, should I reapply for medical school now and indicate that I was already accepted?
 
My other question, apart from how much will an SMP program help me, is, should I just go for Boston University's MAMS program or hold out for maybe tufts or loyola? I got accepted by Boston already (as i said before) but i have to mail them my acceptance in less than two weeks.
 
No one can tell you where to go. There's a ton of information in here for BU, Tufts and Loyola. People go to different places for very different reasons. You should go do some research first, see what people have said and when you have any new questions, ask around.

99.9% of the stuff you are curious about has been answered already.
 
I am submitting my AMCAS app tomorrow, but I am not very confident that I will get in anywhere. (28, 3.2)

My question is, would it be better to do a DO program, or to attend a SMP and then apply for MD at either the same institution or another?

Thanks ahead of time.
 
First off to the bolded:

ONLY 35!!! WTF! People on here struggle just to get 30. 30 is the national average maybe not harvard's average but the national average of matriculants to medical school. People with 30s even get into schools like harvard every now and then and not always URMs. So don't act like your MCAT score is not enough to compensate. it is past the 90th percentile in scores. That's a lot higher then you realize.

Secondly, with such a high score you only need a program that's a year long esp. if you've shown a higher trend in your last year or so of ugrad. To that benefit, Loyola, Gtown, and other SMPs or even regular postbacs may help you.

BU can be done in 1 year but is typically done in 2 years by splitting up research over 2 years and doing half the amount of coursework per semester that normal SMPs do in a single semester. If Gtown makes you do 16 credits, BU will make you do 8 and then do the rest of the time for research.

That's why even though they are the same credit amounts they are usually done in 2 years rather then 1. BU's program is the 2nd most well known program after Gtown's program and 2nd of its kind with Gtown's being the first one. Drexel's is the 3rd oldest. All the rest formed in the last decade.

For your case I think Loyola, Gtown, or UCincy would be the ones I'd consider if your ECs are also strong.

BU gives you a chance to do research and also get involved in volunteer activities around cuz its 2 years and so more leeway to do those things. Other programs not so much because of the intensity of them since they are 1 year programs.

Loyola tends not to take classes at the medical school but via the college of arts and sciences. So to that extent is not a true SMP in the sense of Gtown or BU but it is still a solid program.

Tufts is a lot like BU in that it can be done in 1 year or 2 years. But look at the Tufts thread for more information.

What do you mean reapply for medical school? Were you already accepted at an MD program? I'm confused.

I'll answer the rest of your questions only after clarification on that issue.

Reapply as in I applied once for med school but didn't get in. So you suggest that I hold off on BU? I'm scared that if I don't get in to BU, I won't have any other options.
 
I am submitting my AMCAS app tomorrow, but I am not very confident that I will get in anywhere. (28, 3.2)

My question is, would it be better to do a DO program, or to attend a SMP and then apply for MD at either the same institution or another?

Thanks ahead of time.

Depends on whether you want to be a DO or not. See the osteo and pre-osteo forums for ongoing (and incredibly tiresome) discussions around the DO=MD subject. I recommend not posting this question there because you'll just get attacked. You have to do a lot of reading to get to anything like an actual list of differences.
 
Reapply as in I applied once for med school but didn't get in. So you suggest that I hold off on BU? I'm scared that if I don't get in to BU, I won't have any other options.

There's nothing wrong with BU. However, if there are other programs that you'd rather be in, and you're passing these up because you're in a hurry, understand that you might have a gap year on the other side of the BU program, and/or it might take you 2 years to get done with it.

If you "sit out" a year in order to get into the SMP you want, you could spend that year getting experience and maturity and exposure and all that good stuff. There's a non-zero chance, however, that you wouldn't get into the SMP of your choice. It's like a miniature version of applying to med school.

Slow things down as much as you can stand it right now.

bolty
 
Alright, that is just the predicament that I find myself in so I was just seeking some opinions. I have read plenty about DO vs. MD, and I would want to hold on for med school but I was just looking for another perspective on whether that year at an SMP would outweight the benefits of being one year ahead in DO.

Also, I am not sure if it was posted before so please dont jump on me, but what % of Georgetown SMP students get into Georgetown SOM thereafter?
 
Nevermind I found my answer.

Promises: 50% get accepted somewhere during SMP year, 85% total get accepted somewhere, historically 15% get in at Gtown. Strong support for med school apps during SMP year.
 
Alright, that is just the predicament that I find myself in so I was just seeking some opinions. I have read plenty about DO vs. MD, and I would want to hold on for med school
Do you mean "hold on for MD school"? DO school is med school.
but I was just looking for another perspective on whether that year at an SMP would outweight the benefits of being one year ahead in DO.
Nobody can figure this out for you. It depends on how you perceive and prioritize the aspects in which DOs are different from MDs, and the aspects in which they're the same. Plenty of people are going to tell you that MD=DO. But it's impossible to figure out what this means. Do they mean that DOs have access to ACGME residencies? Do they mean licensing and practice are effectively identical? Do they mean patients and colleagues don't really care? Do they view DO from a regional perspective? The fact of the matter is that as long as there's an "O" it's not the whole truth to say "MD=DO." You have to find out which parts of the whole truth you care about. This is going to vary by your experience with DOs, the part of the country you live in or want to live in, and to some extent, the area of medicine you want to pursue. And plenty of other stuff.

In my mind, the above is what you have to figure out before you can assess the cost/benefit of "losing" a year by doing an SMP / "gaining" a year by doing DO.
Also, I am not sure if it was posted before so please dont jump on me, but what % of Georgetown SMP students get into Georgetown SOM thereafter?
Out of 182 students, 25-30 go straight into Gtown. Another 60-65 go straight into someplace else. And then another 60-65 go somewhere at some point.

Best of luck to you.
 
Out of 182 students, 25-30 go straight into Gtown. Another 60-65 go straight into someplace else. And then another 60-65 go somewhere at some point.

Best of luck to you.

As a former SMPer, I can tell you that this number is a little high. a number of 25-30 would probably include SMP alumni (who either did not get in the year they were in the program, or decided not to apply anywhere). So in a typical year I would say roughly 20 from that year's program, and 2-5 from previous years. My year had a very large number of SMPers accepted in GUSOM I think around 25 or 26, and there are 3 or so past smpers for a total of 29 I believe. Some years it could be less, but probably never more than 25 (from that current years SMPers)
 
Ok. i so glad I have found this thread, make me feel better that I am no alone out there. So there my stat are

cum: 2.6-undgergrad to 2.8 post-bac
bcp: 2.7
no DAT yet

what if there is no post-bac in MN or is there? some of my post-bac course were complete at CC and except my last two course what should I do. Also reading the website they also said that pre-req should be within 5 year range and I graduate in 2004 with a biology degree with gpa of 2.6. If I retake all the pre-req courses that are more than five years would it be better or would better if I get into a masters program or any suggestions would be great...
 
Ok. i so glad I have found this thread, make me feel better that I am no alone out there. So there my stat are

cum: 2.6-undgergrad to 2.8 post-bac
bcp: 2.7
no DAT yet

what if there is no post-bac in MN or is there? some of my post-bac course were complete at CC and except my last two course what should I do. Also reading the website they also said that pre-req should be within 5 year range and I graduate in 2004 with a biology degree with gpa of 2.6. If I retake all the pre-req courses that are more than five years would it be better or would better if I get into a masters program or any suggestions would be great...

I'm seeing a pretty good "sub 3.0" thread in the pre-dent forum. Have you looked through there?

Any undergrad work you do after earning a bachelors degree is postbac.

If you've already completed prereqs (regardless of your grades), you're not eligible for the typical structured postbac program.

Pretty much any university will let you keep taking undergrad classes. The kicker with this is getting financial aid, registration priority, and advising support under various types of enrollment (matric, non-matric, degree-seeking, non-degree-seeking, 5th year etc). Also, GPA improvement is pretty much finished somewhere around the 6 year mark.

You can also look into special one year masters programs, called SMPs, that are offered at lots of schools. Which is, I assume why you're happy to have found this thread. There aren't any in MN, but there are several in the midwest (IL, MI etc.).

Retaking prereqs isn't necessarily a good idea. If you truly don't remember enough content to do well on the DAT, then retaking might make sense. (Retaking courses isn't good test prep.) If schools where you're likely to get in have expiration dates on prereqs, then yep, you need to retake. (I assume you looked at UMinn, which is a very competitive school, so make sure to look at requirements at other schools. Please, please don't aim for one school and put all your hopes in that basket.) Otherwise, there's no particular benefit to retaking prereqs vs. taking fresh coursework. (I'm basing this on the understanding that D schools do not forgive repeated coursework in GPA calculations.)

I think you need to do both postbac and SMP, because your stats aren't competitive. You can't get your undergrad GPA into competitive range by taking more undergrad, but it's also too low for you to succeed with an SMP.

Looks to me like a sub-3.0 GPA is as much of an app killer for D school as it is for med school. Which means:
1. You could, theoretically, go straight into an SMP and cross your fingers that this effort is sufficient for you to get accepted somewhere. (I doubt it, and furthermore, I doubt that this would get you a competitive DAT score.)
2. I'd suggest taking more undergrad until you're over 3.0, or as close to that mark as possible.
3. After doing a couple more years of undergrad, during which you earn solid faculty recommendations and get terrific grades, and get a solid DAT score, you should be in a position to judge whether you should do an SMP or just go ahead and apply.

Best of luck to you.
 
I know people have been mentioning that Boston University's MA in Medical Sciences is typically a 2-year program.

However, I spoke with an admissions advisor from BU's program this morning. She clearly stated that it is a 1-year program that can be extended to 2 years if you decide to do a research-thesis. With a library thesis, it is definitely a 1-yr. program. So if you are applying to medical school this summer, you can complete the program in time to enter medical school in the fall of 2010 if you are accepted this round.

Also, the administrative support seems to be very strong at BU with regard to helping students along with the medical school application process. They were very friendly and it seemed like they truly had their medical masters students' interests and goals as their #1 top priority.

I can't wait to find out if I made their program! I really hope so!
 
Wow, this is about as enthusiastic an opinion I have seen of BU. I don't mean to downplay it, it is an excellent program, and certainly very competitive. But I'm not sure everyone there is thrillingly (probably not a word) helpful. Yes, you can complete it in one year, but let me warn you: this is an excellent selling ploy. Very, very few students get in 1 year from the start of their SMP, because their application is almost entirely dependent on whatever credentials they ALREADY HAD PRIOR TO THE SMP. Yes, you can send your updated grades, but remember, a lot of schools make decisions before your grades get there. And needless to say, if you don't hold like a 3.9+ in that first semester, you are probably not going to get in. Therefore, although the program can be a 1 year program, it is most often a 2 year program.

Feel free to reply/PM if that was confusing haha. 😀


I know people have been mentioning that Boston University's MA in Medical Sciences is typically a 2-year program.

However, I spoke with an admissions advisor from BU's program this morning. She clearly stated that it is a 1-year program that can be extended to 2 years if you decide to do a research-thesis. With a library thesis, it is definitely a 1-yr. program. So if you are applying to medical school this summer, you can complete the program in time to enter medical school in the fall of 2010 if you are accepted this round.

Also, the administrative support seems to be very strong at BU with regard to helping students along with the medical school application process. They were very friendly and it seemed like they truly had their medical masters students' interests and goals as their #1 top priority.

I can't wait to find out if I made their program! I really hope so!
 
Please see my preceding post. I did the program at BU by the way.


No its a good program. I'm just saying that a lot of what I read on SDN seemed to suggest that they prefer people to do coursework in year 1, apply and do their thesis in the remainder of the program but give letters after the whole year is over. So I've heard a lot of people say that if you want to apply while in the program you are on your own rather then if you apply after doing the first year. I don't know. I'm still researching into this whole thing. it is the second most well known program of its kind though and at a well reputated university. if you put the work in and do well I'm sure you'll stand a chance to get in somewhere.
 
This question may have already been asked, but I couldn't find it anywhere (searched for ~10 minutes).

If I am doing an SMP this coming fall and am applying to medical schools right now, how should I include the SMP in the AMCAS? Should I add it as a college attended and put that transcript is not required? If I do that, should I add in potential coursework (i.e. planned coursework, but this is pre-registration, so it may not work out as planned)? Also, how do you update the schools with the grades you receive as they come? I noticed the original thread-maker say that he/she updated their schools with exam grades - how is that done (through AMCAS, or do you contact the schools directly)? If it's through AMCAS, where do you do it?

Sorry if it's been asked and sorry for being clueless 😛 Any help you could offer would be appreciated.
 
I saw it. It just said the same thing I've already stated. So what was the point of your post to me???


lol yeah, but in the middle of your post it says "I don't know." So just wanted to offer a confirmation 😀
 
The AMCAS doesn't give you a place to indicate you are doing an SMP, so I'd say the best place to put it is in your personal statement. Granted, some people do add the SMP school as a "Schools Attended" as you have suggested, and indicate the coursework they plan on taking in the Fall semester. I'm not sure how an Adcom would view that. I suppose it wouldn't negatively impact your application, but you could certainly explain it a bit better in your personal statement.

You update the schools by calling them as soon as you have an updated grade/score/whatever, and telling them that you will be sending an updated supplement to your application. This is NOT done thru AMCAS - you contact the schools directly, and have your updated files mailed to them directly.

Hope this helps!


This question may have already been asked, but I couldn't find it anywhere (searched for ~10 minutes).

If I am doing an SMP this coming fall and am applying to medical schools right now, how should I include the SMP in the AMCAS? Should I add it as a college attended and put that transcript is not required? If I do that, should I add in potential coursework (i.e. planned coursework, but this is pre-registration, so it may not work out as planned)? Also, how do you update the schools with the grades you receive as they come? I noticed the original thread-maker say that he/she updated their schools with exam grades - how is that done (through AMCAS, or do you contact the schools directly)? If it's through AMCAS, where do you do it?

Sorry if it's been asked and sorry for being clueless 😛 Any help you could offer would be appreciated.
 
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