the ONLY 3-year med program???

[zhaf86]

McMaster U in canada's a 3 yr program apparently. to those in the know about mcmaster md, would 3 yrs be a rush? becoming a physician can't be rushed i feel.

anyone accepted/applied to mcmaster and know how the whole thinga-majig at mcmaster works?

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[samnite]

McMaster U in canada's a 3 yr program apparently. to those in the know about mcmaster md, would 3 yrs be a rush? becoming a physician can't be rushed i feel.

anyone accepted/applied to mcmaster and know how the whole thinga-majig at mcmaster works?

It is seriously called McMaster University?

 

[Surfer75]

Calgary has a 3 yr program too.

S

 

[whoam]

It is seriously called McMaster University?

Yes the University is called McMaster University, why what is wierd about that??

 

[deuist]

Yes the University is called McMaster University, why what is wierd about that??

McDonald's Master of Medicine

 

[Kazema]

McMaster was the first school to have PBL.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

Duke is 3 years medicine plus one year research, as all the basic science courses are done in an eleven month period.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

McMaster has a 3 year PBL program. They do this by not taking a summer break. (I believe they get 2 weeks off in the summer). So they pretty much spend the same amount of time as other med students. I'm considering this option because you get out faster! but note, no summers means that you can't work during the summer to pay for medschool...

Another thing, I think MAC attracts more non-traditional applicants. You dont need the MCAT. So there is alot to think about

 

[physiclas87]

Tell me about the Duke program, it sounds fun.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

http://medschool.duke.edu/

 

[zhaf86]

McMaster has a 3 year PBL program. They do this by not taking a summer break. (I believe they get 2 weeks off in the summer). So they pretty much spend the same amount of time as other med students. I'm considering this option because you get out faster! but note, no summers means that you can't work during the summer to pay for medschool...

Another thing, I think MAC attracts more non-traditional applicants. You dont need the MCAT. So there is alot to think about

well miss alyssa, one year less of fees would definitely be wonderful eh... so if you are planning to apply to mac, when would it be?

 

[Miss Alyssa]

well miss alyssa, one year less of fees would definitely be wonderful eh... so if you are planning to apply to mac, when would it be?

http://www.ouac.on.ca/omsas/omsas-dates_2006.html
It looks like the last day to apply this year is October 3rd. But thanks to SND, I now know more about American admissions than Canadian ones 🙂 ... I'm going to have to fix that some how

 

[Miss Alyssa]

MAC (2004 info)

4,150 applicants for ~138 spots
~800 students are invited for interview in Hamilton
3 year program
you can apply after 3 years of undergrad in any discipline
no MCAT needed
no prerequisite courses
no restrictions on citizenship

 

[doctigger]

MAC (2004 info)

4,150 applicants for ~138 spots
~800 students are invited for interview in Hamilton
3 year program
you can apply after 3 years of undergrad in any discipline
no MCAT needed
no prerequisite courses
no restrictions on citizenship

What school is that??? Where is it located? 😕

 

[Kazema]

What school is that??? Where is it located? 😕

McMaster University, in Hamilton, Ontario.

 

[sunnyjohn]

Anyone go to school here?

Anyone have their match list?

 

[MSHell]

MAC (2004 info)

4,150 applicants for ~138 spots
~800 students are invited for interview in Hamilton
...

Reread. You have a 1/30 chance of getting accepted. If you do, fantastic. Plus there is the minimum GPA cutoff set by Ontario for medical schools. Last year it was ~3.62. This is MINIMUM, not average. From what I hear, average for McMaster (because of no MCAT requirement), the average GPA is considerably higher (in the range of ~3.9).

You pretty much have to walk on water to get accepted although being Mother Teresa with 3 years of university would probably do as well.

 

[sunny123]

No you don't need to walk on water, its a total crapshoot to get in. I have a friend in his second year right now at Mac MD, and he doens't think he's being rushed. They don't get any summer breaks, or winter breaks.... its just non stop. He doen't mind it.

 

[fateema368]

No you don't need to walk on water, its a total crapshoot to get in. I have a friend in his second year right now at Mac MD, and he doens't think he's being rushed. They don't get any summer breaks, or winter breaks.... its just non stop. He doen't mind it.

Is your friend a Canadian Citizen? How were his stats?

 

[sunny123]

Is your friend a Canadian Citizen? How were his stats?

Yes he is... and I don't know the specs on his stats, but they were stellar.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

Reread. You have a 1/30 chance of getting accepted. If you do, fantastic. Plus there is the minimum GPA cutoff set by Ontario for medical schools. Last year it was ~3.62. This is MINIMUM, not average. From what I hear, average for McMaster (because of no MCAT requirement), the average GPA is considerably higher (in the range of ~3.9).

You pretty much have to walk on water to get accepted although being Mother Teresa with 3 years of university would probably do as well.

Are you sure there is a cut-off for applying? where did you hear this? I know Western wont look at you application unless you have a 3.7 (but then I think they only look at your best 2 years or something). And on MDapplicants, there are some of people who got into Queens and U of T with GPAs below 3.6...
but then again, Queens and U of T use waiting formulas, so one of the applicants that got into U of T with '3.50', had a 3.77 wGPA according to U of T, and a 3.82 wGPA according to Queens...

so I dunno...

 

[sunny123]

Are you sure there is a cut-off for applying? where did you hear this? I know Western wont look at you application unless you have a 3.7 (but then I think they only look at your best 2 years or something). And on MDapplicants, there are some of people who got into Queens and U of T with GPAs below 3.6...
but then again, Queens and U of T use waiting formulas, so one of the applicants that got into U of T with '3.50', had a 3.77 wGPA according to U of T, and a 3.82 wGPA according to Queens...

so I dunno...

Mac's cutoff is a 3.0, although its a long shot to get in with this, it can be done.

Also NOMS (northern ontario medical school) has the same reqs as Mac.

 

[zhaf86]

Yes he is... and I don't know the specs on his stats, but they were stellar.

pardon me for being inquisitive, i'm pretty certain the stats just got one foot of his through the door, so pray tell us a thing or two non-academic about his profile (research, volunteer, clinical exp)?

thanks

 

[sunny123]

pardon me for being inquisitive, i'm pretty certain the stats just got one foot of his through the door, so pray tell us a thing or two non-academic about his profile (research, volunteer, clinical exp)?

thanks

He told me its how you answer those five question on the OMSAS application. Those are extremely key in getting you an interview. He did the usual research stuff, had a very high GPA (was a president's scholar at YorkU, where you gotta keep an A gpa every year to get the scholarship renewed). I may see him this sunday, and I'll ask him for you.

But the most important thing he told me was how you answered those five questions. He said he got lucky by getting a spot in that school.

 

[primadonna22274]

Sounds like my PA program...27 months continuous, short breaks between semesters (never more than 2 wks). Like drinking water from a fire hose, so they say. It's definitely doable. I'm certainly interested after already investing so much time as a PA. Anybody know about financial aid for US students in Canadian schools? I looked at the McMaster website earlier today but it wasn't too forthcoming with financial issues.
Lisa

No you don't need to walk on water, its a total crapshoot to get in. I have a friend in his second year right now at Mac MD, and he doens't think he's being rushed. They don't get any summer breaks, or winter breaks.... its just non stop. He doen't mind it.

 

[MSHell]

Are you sure there is a cut-off for applying? where did you hear this? I know Western wont look at you application unless you have a 3.7 (but then I think they only look at your best 2 years or something). And on MDapplicants, there are some of people who got into Queens and U of T with GPAs below 3.6...
but then again, Queens and U of T use waiting formulas, so one of the applicants that got into U of T with '3.50', had a 3.77 wGPA according to U of T, and a 3.82 wGPA according to Queens...

so I dunno...

I know that Ontario has a GPA cutoff, but it varies from year to year, depending on the applicant pool, i.e it keeps rising. I guess because it was a province-wide thing, I thought all schools had to abide by this, but maybe McMaster and Northern do not. You are right in that all schools calculate this GPA differently (last X years, best X years, weigh science classes more heavily...).

MCAT cutoffs are set by each school. They too keep rising each year. Queen's last year was 32, whereas the year before it was 30. Western was 30. My friend had 31 MCAT so was quite pissed. Didn't think it would jump by 2 in one year. He didn't even bother applying to McMaster - said it was a too much of a crapshoot and he was no Mother Teresa either!

 

[zhaf86]

Sounds like my PA program...27 months continuous, short breaks between semesters (never more than 2 wks). Like drinking water from a fire hose, so they say. It's definitely doable. I'm certainly interested after already investing so much time as a PA. Anybody know about financial aid for US students in Canadian schools? I looked at the McMaster website earlier today but it wasn't too forthcoming with financial issues.
Lisa

uni of calgary also has a 3yr prog if you want things done speedily. regarding cost, this is unconfirmed, but i heard for out-of-staters at mcmaster we're set back around C$30k per year for tuition, and we're not entitled to aid (they reserve it for canadian citizens)

 

[MSHell]

I'm pretty sure the Canadian (or provincial government) won't provide aid to international students! What about Stafford? Because Canadian schools are LCME schools too, you should qualify.

P.S. Out-of-staters hehehe

 

[zhaf86]

okok... non-canadians. my bad! 🙂

 

[sunnyjohn]

uni of calgary also has a 3yr prog if you want things done speedily. regarding cost, this is unconfirmed, but i heard for out-of-staters at mcmaster we're set back around C$30k per year for tuition, and we're not entitled to aid (they reserve it for canadian citizens)

That's US$24K a year. Less than some private schools in the US. Where do I sign up??? 😛

 

[Miss Alyssa]

I know that Ontario has a GPA cutoff, but it varies from year to year, depending on the applicant pool, i.e it keeps rising. I guess because it was a province-wide thing, I thought all schools had to abide by this, but maybe McMaster and Northern do not. You are right in that all schools calculate this GPA differently (last X years, best X years, weigh science classes more heavily...).

MCAT cutoffs are set by each school. They too keep rising each year. Queen's last year was 32, whereas the year before it was 30. Western was 30. My friend had 31 MCAT so was quite pissed. Didn't think it would jump by 2 in one year. He didn't even bother applying to McMaster - said it was a too much of a crapshoot and he was no Mother Teresa either!

wow, I just looked at some schools... 3.6, 3.66, 3.7, 30, 32...
I better get to work if I plan on staying in ontario!

 

[Arb]

McMaster does not take non-Canadian citizens. I believe in Ontario, only Toronto does but if you can get in there, you can get in top 10 schools in US.

 

[sunny123]

McMaster does not take non-Canadian citizens. I believe in Ontario, only Toronto does but if you can get in there, you can get in top 10 schools in US.

Exactly. No international students whatsoever.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

McMaster and Toronto both do not have restrictions on citizenship, meaning they except internationals. These are the only ones in Ontario, I don't know about the rest of Canada...

McMaster: "the International Applicant Pool is on hold this addmissions cycle. Interested international applicants may still apply through the regular pool"
http://www.ouac.on.ca/omsas/pdf/b_omsas_e.pdf page 9

Toronto: "A maximum of seven international students may be accepted each year. international students must be competitive with all other applicants"
http://www.facmed.utoronto.ca/English/page-13-9136-1.html

 

[docbill]

You normally have to be a Canadian to apply to Mac. This is what we call a state school (all canadian med schools are provincial schools).

The match list of McMasters (Mac.) is excellent. Just like all other Canadian school.

Like people already said. They do 3 years by not taking 2-3 month summer breaks. That adds up to 6-9month less.

Duke U, is an excellent program. Note DuKe is an Ivy school. VERY competitive to get in. Or should I say McDuke.

The one person who noted McMasters ~~~ McDonald (you sooooo funnny, I call you funnio).

 

[Philo Beddo]

Sounds like my PA program...27 months continuous, short breaks between semesters (never more than 2 wks). Like drinking water from a fire hose, so they say. It's definitely doable. I'm certainly interested after already investing so much time as a PA. Anybody know about financial aid for US students in Canadian schools? I looked at the McMaster website earlier today but it wasn't too forthcoming with financial issues.
Lisa

Its like drinking water from a firehose at the 4 year programs too. Might as well dot it for 3 years rather than 4.

Philo

hippocritis.com <-----medical satire for residents and medical students

 

[Scottish Chap]

no restrictions on citizenship[/COLOR]

Not an accurate statement. They USED TO "hold" ten places for internationals. No more than 2-3 were accepted per year and most were from the Middle East. This is confirmed by a reliable alumnus who used to be a Mac interviewer. I make no bones about this. Last year, Mac didn't take any internationals and, mid-application, they placed their international pool "on hold" this year. Do not apply here; McMaster WILL take your money but they won't admit internationals. It's best to look at McGill and the U of T. BTW, I applied to McMaster and Toronto and recived an interview at the latter. I am not Canadian.

 

[Scottish Chap]

I'm pretty sure the Canadian (or provincial government) won't provide aid to international students! What about Stafford? Because Canadian schools are LCME schools too, you should qualify.

P.S. Out-of-staters hehehe

Yes, LCME-approved schools in Ontario can be funded via FAFSA for U.S. citizens/green card holder.

 

[Scottish Chap]

McMaster: "the International Applicant Pool is on hold this addmissions cycle. Interested international applicants may still apply through the regular pool"

It's a trap for internationals. Stay away from McMaster unless you're a Candian citizen or landed immigrant. The same goes for NOMS; they do not take internationals...at least yet. I know....no pre-req's, no MCAT, 3-year M.D....it's tempting, but resist the temptation for McMaster unless you're from Ontario.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

It's a trap for internationals. Stay away from McMaster unless you're a Candian citizen or landed immigrant. The same goes for NOMS; they do not take internationals...at least yet. I know....no pre-req's, no MCAT, 3-year M.D....it's tempting, but resist the temptation for McMaster unless you're from Ontario.

why would they want to trap internationals?
and NOMS says they only take Canadians...

 

[Scottish Chap]

why would they want to trap internationals?
and NOMS says they only take Canadians...

I didn't mean for you to take this personally. Sorry. Perhaps, I should have used the word futile instead of trap.

As an international, I made it my business to know the fine details for both U.S. and Canadian schools. Thus, my post will be helpful for internationals so I'll say it again for absolute clarity: applying to McMaster is futile and a complete waste of money as an international; I absolutely guarantee they will not admit you.

 

[Miss Alyssa]

I didn't mean for you to take this personally. Sorry. Perhaps, I should have used the word futile instead of trap.

As an international, I made it my business to know the fine details for both U.S. and Candian schools. Thus, my post will be helpful for internationals so I'll say it again for clarity: applying to McMaster is futile and a complete waste of money as an international; I absolutely guarantee they will not admit you.

so are you saying Mac accepts ZERO internationals, or they accept a select FEW?

 

[MSHell]

McMaster no longer has an "international applicant pool". International applicants are pooled with the rest of the 4000+ applicants. They base acceptances also on your "likeliness to stay in the area", be it Ontario, or Canada. In theory, you can be accepted as an international, but not many make it, and you better have many, many, many good reasons why you want to go to McMaster.

You're probably more likely to be struck by lightning multiple times in your life than to be accepted at McMaster as an international applicant.