The problem with low veterinary experience hours..

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There were also the times I wanted to be a ballerina, an astronaut, a firefighter, and a zookeeper, clearly my desire to be these things trumps my physical or mental ability to be these things.
 
DVMDream said:
There were also the times I wanted to be a ballerina, an astronaut, a firefighter, and a zookeeper, clearly my desire to be these things trumps my physical or mental ability to be these things.
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Ohhh a firefighter huh? I'll stick to watching Chicago Fire and having boy tell me about his day and send me snaps.
 
This thread took a turn for the weird very quickly. I think all of those deriding jenkxo for his "arrogance and elitism" are reading into his OP something that is simply not there. The tone of the post is one of warning: that people who manage the grueling task of being accepted to and then graduating from vet school may be disappointed when they find themselves in a career that is not quite what was expected, and that this is why more relevant hours of experience would be beneficial to the applicant. At no point did he say that these people would be bad vets, instead that they may come to regret their decisions. And really, what is so offensive about that point of view? The vet from whom I earned the bulk of my experience went out of his way to make sure I understand how much hard work would be required to be a successful clinician and regularly tried to convince me to go to medical school instead. He did this not because he despised his profession, rather because he wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into.

And that's exactly how I read the OP. Yes, he could have considered other avenues of experience besides clinical hours, but he was speaking from his own experience... and the point really remains unchanged.
 
geldedgoat said:
This thread took a turn for the weird very quickly. I think all of those deriding jenkxo for his "arrogance and elitism" are reading into his OP something that is simply not there. The tone of the post is one of warning: that people who manage the grueling task of being accepted to and then graduating from vet school may be disappointed when they find themselves in a career that is not quite what was expected, and that this is why more relevant hours of experience would be beneficial to the applicant. At no point did he say that these people would be bad vets, instead that they may come to regret their decisions. And really, what is so offensive about that point of view? The vet from whom I earned the bulk of my experience went out of his way to make sure I understand how much hard work would be required to be a successful clinician and regularly tried to convince me to go to medical school instead. He did this not because he despised his profession, rather because he wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into.

And that's exactly how I read the OP. Yes, he could have considered other avenues of experience besides clinical hours, but he was speaking from his own experience... and the point really remains unchanged.
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Why ya gotta go back to the original topic like that and ruin our fun?

What did you want to be as a kid? Hahah Kid...goats...bahahah I crack myself up.
 
CalliopeDVM said:
And as for whether or not they are doing themselves a disservice.....well, that's different than saying that schools shouldn't accept them.
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Agreed. I don't actually have much of a problem with the OP saying that applicants are doing themselves a "disservice" by having fewer hours. That's an opinion, and I don't think it's very useful (since 'fewer' hours is entirely relative), but it's not offensive or objectionable. My gripe is her original comment: "I am super bothered by applicants who...."

That's a personal attack. Gee, I'm really super sorry I "bothered" you (speaking on behalf of any of us who don't meet this pre-vet's subjective opinion of what our qualifications should be). And as a personal attack, it crosses the line and invites the heated replies that she's received. It's really none of the OP's business being "bothered" by the qualifications of any other applicant that got in (or didn't).

geldedgoat said:
This thread took a turn for the weird very quickly. I think all of those deriding jenkxo for his "arrogance and elitism" are reading into his OP something that is simply not there. The tone of the post is one of warning: that people who manage the grueling task of being accepted to and then graduating from vet school may be disappointed when they find themselves in a career that is not quite what was expected, a
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See above. There's a big difference between saying "hey, I see a bunch of vets where I work that didn't have much experience and they seem unhappy. It makes me wonder if schools shouldn't require more experience" and saying "I am super bothered by applicants who...." One is an opinion about how vet schools should evaluate candidates, and the other directly insults candidates (amusingly, as a pre-vet, this poster really is among the least-qualified to make that judgment, too).
 
Just want to chime in on this one. I was one of those folks, like WhatstheFrequency, who was accepted to vet school with very little SA clinical experience (I'm committed to a specialty in Lab Animal Med). As for the issue of experience, of any stripe, sure...it's important for your exposure to the field. At the end of the day, though, vet med is about your ability to problem solve through medicine. It's not really about catheter placement, or your ability to perform a fecal. Take it from a first year. Vet school is damn challenging from an academic perspective. As for an admission's committee focus on grades, vet schools need to know that an applicant can handle the load. Even folks who are academic heavyweights struggle in veterinary school. Passion for what you did as a technician won't necessarily get you through anatomy, immunology, path, etc. You've got to have the academic chops to cut the mustard as well. I support veterinary schools having stringent academic standards- those are for the good of the potential applicant AND the vet school. That doesn't necessarily mean that potential applicants need to come in with a 4.0 (far from it). However, you need to demonstrate that you can do the work that vet school demands. Pre-vet experience will show you what's out there. However, for your first three years...it's hard core basic and applied science. Make sure that you're passionate about THIS aspect of the field before you sign up or vet school. You've got to be passionate about the problem solving involved in medicine to succeed as a veterinarian. The baseline data you need to effectively problem solve requires solid academic performance.
 
I am an avid reader of the pre-veterinary threads. After 5 years or so of watching threads from the sidelines, it is only today that I felt a real need to make an account to defend a student when I thought it was right.
I won't throw out numbers of how long I have worked in veterinary medicine, I can see that is not sitting well with most of you. However, I agree with Jenkxo, and more so appreciate her reasons to question our processes. I appreciate a good debate! I currently am the director of admissions of one of the veterinary schools in the US to those who are interested in my credentials. My staff and I personally come in contact with students that drop out of our programs, 1st years and 4th years, that leave veterinary medicine due to what Jenkxo has touched on here today. When we review the applicant stats that leave our program, we see a strong correlation to those who have low pre-veterinary experience hours. This is not only seen at our school, but other schools in our region as well.
Currently, our minimum hours of veterinary experience, not including research and animal experience, for admissions are 250. Most of you are forgetting that under the VMCAS application these things are listed in different categories. And this topic gets debated every year when admission season roles around. What is enough experience? That is a great question! And I agree Jenkxo, the more you have even in general practice, the better you are off.
I personally love your witt and zeal you possess Jenkxo! Rock on! And good luck in your veterinary program!
 
thatdirectorguy said:
I am an avid reader of the pre-veterinary threads. After 5 years or so of watching threads from the sidelines, it is only today that I felt a real need to make an account to defend a student when I thought it was right.
I won't throw out numbers of how long I have worked in veterinary medicine, I can see that is not sitting well with most of you. However, I agree with Jenkxo, and more so appreciate her reasons to question our processes. I appreciate a good debate! I currently am the director of admissions of one of the veterinary schools in the US to those who are interested in my credentials. My staff and I personally come in contact with students that drop out of our programs, 1st years and 4th years, that leave veterinary medicine due to what Jenkxo has touched on here today. When we review the applicant stats that leave our program, we see a strong correlation to those who have low pre-veterinary experience hours. This is not only seen at our school, but other schools in our region as well.
Currently, our minimum hours of veterinary experience, not including research and animal experience, for admissions are 250. Most of you are forgetting that under the VMCAS application these things are listed in different categories. And this topic gets debated every year when admission season roles around. What is enough experience? That is a great question! And I agree Jenkxo, the more you have even in general practice, the better you are off.
I personally love your witt and zeal you possess Jenkxo! Rock on! And good luck in your veterinary program!
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regardless if there is truth to it, her approach and language surrounding it isn't healthy for her or her classmates.
 
thatdirectorguy said:
I am an avid reader of the pre-veterinary threads. After 5 years or so of watching threads from the sidelines, it is only today that I felt a real need to make an account to defend a student when I thought it was right.
I won't throw out numbers of how long I have worked in veterinary medicine, I can see that is not sitting well with most of you. However, I agree with Jenkxo, and more so appreciate her reasons to question our processes. I appreciate a good debate! I currently am the director of admissions of one of the veterinary schools in the US to those who are interested in my credentials. My staff and I personally come in contact with students that drop out of our programs, 1st years and 4th years, that leave veterinary medicine due to what Jenkxo has touched on here today. When we review the applicant stats that leave our program, we see a strong correlation to those who have low pre-veterinary experience hours. This is not only seen at our school, but other schools in our region as well.
Currently, our minimum hours of veterinary experience, not including research and animal experience, for admissions are 250. Most of you are forgetting that under the VMCAS application these things are listed in different categories. And this topic gets debated every year when admission season roles around. What is enough experience? That is a great question! And I agree Jenkxo, the more you have even in general practice, the better you are off.
I personally love your witt and zeal you possess Jenkxo! Rock on! And good luck in your veterinary program!
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0) I think you're probably not actually a director of admissions. If you actually are Jenkxo posing as said director, you should be aware that violates SDN TOS and is cause for suspension.

1) None of us are forgetting the categories for VMCAS. Since we've all been through that process, we're not likely to forget it.

2) We're all aware that schools set <some> minimum amount. The issue is Jenkxo's brazen blanket statements.

3) Dropping out DURING vet school is not what Jenkxo talked about; she talked about veterinarians leaving the field. The type of student leaving the program may, or may not, be the type of veterinarian leaving the field. Maybe you want to make the assumption that they're the same, but I'd rather not (without data).

4) It's dismaying to see someone who (assuming you're being truthful, which I doubt) is an admissions director applauding a poster who says things like "I'm super bothered by applicants who....." That type of personal attack is a poor way to make a point.

5) None of us said that experience is bad. All of us agree that people need experience in the field before getting in. But the nature of that experience, and the amount, is a big question mark in the sky, and nobody - meaning Jenkxo - has much of a leg to stand on when they come in and whine about how anyone with less than their "thousands" of hours "bothers" them.
 
dyachei said:
regardless if there is truth to it, her approach and language surrounding it isn't healthy for her or her classmates.
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Fairly certain the first piece of advice us old timer SDN posters give to pre-vets is to get more experience in the field. But communication is super important throughout the entire process as well.
 
thatdirectorguy said:
I won't throw out numbers of how long I have worked in veterinary medicine, I can see that is not sitting well with most of you. However, I agree with Jenkxo, and more so appreciate her reasons to question our processes. I appreciate a good debate! I currently am the director of admissions of one of the veterinary schools in the US to those who are interested in my credentials. My staff and I personally come in contact with students that drop out of our programs, 1st years and 4th years, that leave veterinary medicine due to what Jenkxo has touched on here today. When we review the applicant stats that leave our program, we see a strong correlation to those who have low pre-veterinary experience hours. This is not only seen at our school, but other schools in our region as well.
Currently, our minimum hours of veterinary experience, not including research and animal experience, for admissions are 250. Most of you are forgetting that under the VMCAS application these things are listed in different categories. And this topic gets debated every year when admission season roles around. What is enough experience? That is a great question! And I agree Jenkxo, the more you have even in general practice, the better you are off. I personally love your witt and zeal you possess Jenkxo! Rock on! And good luck in your veterinary program!
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It seems that most of us have these major issues with the OP's original argument: 1) Tone and 2) Lack of data.

The original post had an immediate feel of negativity towards her future classmates that she will be working with. I personally would not want to work with someone who is willing to state what was said in the way it was said. Subsequent posts continued that tone and then some. Were others showing negativity? Yeah, but it only makes her argument weaker to continue down a negative road.

Not once were we given what her definition of "low amount of hours" is. All of us have acknowledged the importance of experience. However, we are debating the amount of hours needed to count as "enough" and that general practice isn't necessary hours to have. I am certainly not aiming for any more at this point. If anything, I would recommend a pre-vet get hours other than GP to stand out of the crowd.

If there really is data to support that having low hours leads to a higher chance of dropping out of school/doing poorly in practice after school, where is this data for future students to see? This highlights a whole other issue with the admissions process. Why are some factors important while others aren't? With several schools I was applying to, I could not find anywhere what their drop out rate is, what the average salary of a newly graduated alum is, or anything like that. If there is a correlation between low hours and difficulty in school, where is the data for us to see? We're taught to believe the data, not anecdotes. So without the data, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.
 
Apparently I have also said that applicants shouldn't be admitted unless they meet my approval....I must have forgotten about this.

If I have a mini disciple, can I make this person get me coffee and chicken nuggets? :corny:
 
thatdirectorguy said:
I am an avid reader of the pre-veterinary threads. After 5 years or so of watching threads from the sidelines, it is only today that I felt a real need to make an account to defend a student when I thought it was right.
I won't throw out numbers of how long I have worked in veterinary medicine, I can see that is not sitting well with most of you. However, I agree with Jenkxo, and more so appreciate her reasons to question our processes. I appreciate a good debate! I currently am the director of admissions of one of the veterinary schools in the US to those who are interested in my credentials. My staff and I personally come in contact with students that drop out of our programs, 1st years and 4th years, that leave veterinary medicine due to what Jenkxo has touched on here today. When we review the applicant stats that leave our program, we see a strong correlation to those who have low pre-veterinary experience hours. This is not only seen at our school, but other schools in our region as well.
Currently, our minimum hours of veterinary experience, not including research and animal experience, for admissions are 250. Most of you are forgetting that under the VMCAS application these things are listed in different categories. And this topic gets debated every year when admission season roles around. What is enough experience? That is a great question! And I agree Jenkxo, the more you have even in general practice, the better you are off.
I personally love your witt and zeal you possess Jenkxo! Rock on! And good luck in your veterinary program!
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Yeah, I don't believe you.

"I won't tell you how long I have worked in vet med, but I am an admissions director".

You "come in contact with those that drop out in 1st and 4th year"... ok that is great, but I know people don't only drop out in 1st and 4th years... honestly, what are the *exact* reasons for those drops? Health problems? Debt? Family emergency? I doubt anyone has said to you, "I dropped because I wasn't expecting this to be what vet med is because I only had 300 hours and not 4,000"... not only that but vet school does not equal practicing medicine. It is very easy to forget that during the 4 years that you are in school, but they aren't the same. So comparing people who drop out of vet school to those who change their mind once in the vet field doesn't make sense. Not only that but just because they had low hours does not mean that is "why" they dropped out or even what lead them to drop out, there are so many factors that go into someone dropping our or changing careers after that I have high doubts it is related to clinical experience prior to vet school, if it were, you would see vet students dropping out like flies in the UK and other countries that have entry immediately after high school with NO experience and you don't see that.

We all know there are minimum hours for applying. No one is arguing that experience is bad. They are arguing the horribly poor and untactful way in which the OP attacked people who have "less hours" than she does. Because apparently everyone must have more hours or equal hours to her to deserve to be in veterinary medicine.

I also don't believe you because of the specific statement you have about "the more you have in general practice, the better off you are". If you really were an admissions director you would know general practice isn't the only thing vets go off to do and that statement is such a massive generalization that I can't take you seriously.
 
LetItSnow said:
My gripe is her original comment: "I am super bothered by applicants who...."
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That was immediately preceded by "Long story short [...]." He then went on to explain his comment and give context to it. Read in the given context, there should be nothing objectionable about it. Again, the complaint was not that they were getting in undeservedly, but that they were getting in without knowing enough about the profession. Assuming you have an interest in the well-being of your fellow graduate (and I believe we all likely do), wouldn't you be "super bothered" by someone spending all that money and going through all the effort, only to be disappointed with the results? I would be.
 
You know what's really pathetic?

When you call people pathetic, say you're going to go enjoy your happy life, and then you post something fictional from a "director of admissions" because you're so upset that people are criticizing your view. Or maybe you want to back up your claim to being a director of admissions .... cause I'm just gonna go ahead and call you out on that lie.
pinkpuppy9 said:
If I have a mini disciple, can I make this person get me coffee and chicken nuggets? :corny:
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Totally. The moral compass deserves to have a servant, after all. Being superior and whatnot.
 
LetItSnow said:
You know what's really pathetic?

When you call people pathetic, say you're going to go enjoy your happy life, and then you post something fictional from a "director of admissions" because you're so upset that people are criticizing your view. Or maybe you want to back up your claim to being a director of admissions .... cause I'm just gonna go ahead and call you out on that lie.


Totally. The moral compass deserves to have a servant, after all. Being superior and whatnot.
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You're my favorite.
 
geldedgoat said:
That was immediately preceded by "Long story short [...]." He then went on to explain his comment and give context to it. Read in the given context, there should be nothing objectionable about it. Again, the complaint was not that they were getting in undeservedly, but that they were getting in without knowing enough about the profession. Assuming you have an interest in the well-being of your fellow graduate (and I believe we all likely do), wouldn't you be "super bothered" by someone spending all that money and going through all the effort, only to be disappointed with the results? I would be.
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Bothered? No. Not at all. Being "bothered by" someone implies a sense of judgment toward them. I may be sad on their behalf if they dump all that money into it and then are disappointed by the results. Totally. I did my pre-reqs with two other people. I got in first. They both got in the next year. I was thrilled. Then one of them dropped out in second year. Am I "bothered" by that? No, of course not. It was the decision she felt she had to make, and I support it 110%. Am I saddened by it? Of course.

If you've actually read this person's posts in this thread in their entirety, it's absolutely clear how hypocritical and judgmental she is. I'm glad I'll never have to deal with her.
 
geldedgoat said:
That was immediately preceded by "Long story short [...]." He then went on to explain his comment and give context to it. Read in the given context, there should be nothing objectionable about it. Again, the complaint was not that they were getting in undeservedly, but that they were getting in without knowing enough about the profession. Assuming you have an interest in the well-being of your fellow graduate (and I believe we all likely do), wouldn't you be "super bothered" by someone spending all that money and going through all the effort, only to be disappointed with the results? I would be.
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The first concern I have with reading the OP's statement in that context is that it is implying that people who get into vet school don't do their research. I haven't met anyone that has gone through this grueling application process, the amount of money it costs to pay for the app, the GRE, the prerequisites, the interviews, travel, or even in hours of time dedicated to get as far as an acceptance that hasn't done a mountain of research before taking those steps. If someone is disappointed in the results of vet school, I would personally look elsewhere besides the number of veterinary hours they earned before matriculation. As DVMD stated, vet school itself is not a poster image for what the profession is, and that's where the adcoms consider the GPAs of considered students as well as their hours.
 
geldedgoat said:
That was immediately preceded by "Long story short [...]." He then went on to explain his comment and give context to it. Read in the given context, there should be nothing objectionable about it. Again, the complaint was not that they were getting in undeservedly, but that they were getting in without knowing enough about the profession. Assuming you have an interest in the well-being of your fellow graduate (and I believe we all likely do), wouldn't you be "super bothered" by someone spending all that money and going through all the effort, only to be disappointed with the results? I would be.
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why do you care what your peers are doing in this context. It has nothing to do with you.

I am not super bothered. I regret that they spent time and energy, but it is, in all their decision.

And many that drop out or leave veterinary medicine are ultimately happy with their decision
 
LetItSnow said:
Where do I get me a lackey?

Lacky?

Lackie?
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I'll be your lackey.
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Nalikti said:
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I guess I'm not getting any studying done tonight.
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There's so much awesome in this thread tonight it's almost impossible to handle. A poster who posts an opinion, ASKS for a response, hates on the responses, and then (I suspect) makes a fake account to try and validate her original opinion?

That's like comic genius. Screw vet school, she should take her act on the road. I haven't laughed this hard in weeks.
 
geldedgoat said:
This thread took a turn for the weird very quickly. I think all of those deriding jenkxo for his "arrogance and elitism" are reading into his OP something that is simply not there. The tone of the post is one of warning: that people who manage the grueling task of being accepted to and then graduating from vet school may be disappointed when they find themselves in a career that is not quite what was expected, and that this is why more relevant hours of experience would be beneficial to the applicant. At no point did he say that these people would be bad vets, instead that they may come to regret their decisions. And really, what is so offensive about that point of view? The vet from whom I earned the bulk of my experience went out of his way to make sure I understand how much hard work would be required to be a successful clinician and regularly tried to convince me to go to medical school instead. He did this not because he despised his profession, rather because he wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into.

And that's exactly how I read the OP. Yes, he could have considered other avenues of experience besides clinical hours, but he was speaking from his own experience... and the point really remains unchanged.
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The tone of post isn't warning. The OP does not have the qualifications or experience behind them to be "warning" about low hours going into vet school. That might sound mean, but it is the truth. No one is arguing that more experience is bad. No one is saying that if someone goes through vet school and then comes out disappointed because it wasn't as imagined that it wouldn't be disappointing. Of course it would, but another 4534525 hours isn't going to prevent that. It just isn't. There is a point where you hit a critical mass, you can only learn so much of what it is "like to be a vet" without actually being a vet. And you aren't changing that by piling on thousands more hours.

The tone of post from the OP is judgement and asswholish at best. And what is even worse is that that tone has not changed at all. There is no where that the OP qualifies what is "low" hours it is all in relation to her super awesome self that has thousands of hours and anyone else is just not up to par. After all, as she stated, if you don't have copious hours of experience and you get in then you are "stealing the seat of someone who has always wanted to be a vet" because desire is what makes good vets, not intelligence or being able to diagnose patients or do research. It is all desire an experience..that is the message and tone the OP is spreading.
 
LetItSnow said:
Bothered? No. Not at all. Being "bothered by" someone implies a sense of judgment toward them.
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At the risk of this devolving into fussy pedantry, no, 'bothered by' does not demand a sense of judgment. It can simply mean to be upset by something, which, again, you should have understood from the context given in the rest of the OP. And yes, being saddened by something would certainly fall under that category.

If you've actually read this person's posts in this thread in their entirety, it's absolutely clear how hypocritical and judgmental she is. I'm glad I'll never have to deal with her.
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I specifically referenced the OP for a reason. Not everyone can handle the miscommunication so often encountered on the internet, and it's not unsurprising that he reacted the way he did from the flood of (what I at least consider to be) misinterpretations of the OP. His breakdown that followed doesn't interest me.
 
dyachei said:
why do you care what your peers are doing in this context. It has nothing to do with you.

I am not super bothered. I regret that they spent time and energy, but it is, in all their decision.

And many that drop out or leave veterinary medicine are ultimately happy with their decision
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Had a friend recently drop out in third year. It is sad, it really is. But she is SO happy now. She said she felt instant relief with her decision.


Oh she also had numerous years of experience in small animal private practice before vet school... she just decided it wasn't what she wanted anymore and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
geldedgoat said:
At the risk of this devolving into fussy pedantry, no, 'bothered by' does not demand a sense of judgment. It can simply mean to be upset by something, which, again, you should have understood from the context given in the rest of the OP. And yes, being saddened by something would certainly fall under that category.


I specifically referenced the OP for a reason. Not everyone can handle the miscommunication so often encountered on the internet, and it's not unsurprising that he reacted the way he did from the flood of (what I at least consider to be) misinterpretations of the OP. His breakdown that followed doesn't interest me.
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I know you can't read the original post anymore. But the OP was "bothered by" people getting in and leaving for a perceived reason with nothing but anecdotal evidence and followed it up with "seriously guys?!"

Sorry. It's unprofessional. We get that people vie for these competitive seats. And that when this has been your dream for years, you want to make it a reality. However, her reasoning was incorrect. She still doesn't admit that. Clinical experience is only relevant to clinical vets.

She even states that she's not a jaded pre-vet/applicant. Which suggests that she knows this can be controversial.
 
geldedgoat said:
At the risk of this devolving into fussy pedantry, no, 'bothered by' does not demand a sense of judgment. It can simply mean to be upset by something, which, again, you should have understood from the context given in the rest of the OP. And yes, being saddened by something would certainly fall under that category.
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The tone of every single one of the other posts the OP made clearly stands in opposition to your reading. She's been hypocritical, dismissive, judgmental, and irrationally critical. It's just not reasonable to interpret the totality of her posts in any other light. And then there's the whole issue of creating a second account to fraudulently post as a director of admissions in order to validate her opinion. If you have to resort to lying like that .... well, enough said.

geldedgoat said:
His breakdown that followed doesn't interest me.
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That's fair. Personally, I think you need to interpret the original post in light of all of the posts following it. But if you disagree with that - fair 'nuff, I can see your point. I just disagree.
 
LetItSnow said:
Where's my boomerang, demmit?
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So I went out to a eucalyptus forest to find some wood to make it with, but my efforts have been impeded by a rare band of exceptionally territorial koalas. Apparently my tree kangaroo disguise was not sufficient enough to fool them into thinking I was a creature endemic to this land.
 
geldedgoat said:
At the risk of this devolving into fussy pedantry, no, 'bothered by' does not demand a sense of judgment. It can simply mean to be upset by something, which, again, you should have understood from the context given in the rest of the OP. And yes, being saddened by something would certainly fall under that category.


I specifically referenced the OP for a reason. Not everyone can handle the miscommunication so often encountered on the internet, and it's not unsurprising that he reacted the way he did from the flood of (what I at least consider to be) misinterpretations of the OP. His breakdown that followed doesn't interest me.
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You are really going to argue that the what 15 people that have responded here ALL misread the OP and you were the ONLY shining star to understand them? Seriously?
 
geldedgoat said:
At the risk of this devolving into fussy pedantry, no, 'bothered by' does not demand a sense of judgment. It can simply mean to be upset by something, which, again, you should have understood from the context given in the rest of the OP. And yes, being saddened by something would certainly fall under that category.
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But doesn't every feeling, whether it is being "bothered" or "love" mean that you hold some sort of judgement in towards that situation? Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to define what is going on in the first place. This isn't to be argumentative, but to get into a philosophical debate. It interests me.

On a different note, I am supposed to be drawing an orange-crowned warbler and a distribution map of it's migrations right now. Why are all y'all being so distracting?
 
Gwenevre said:
The first concern I have with reading the OP's statement in that context is that it is implying that people who get into vet school don't do their research.
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I don't see how this wasn't adequately qualified by his explanation of working with graduates who regret their decision. That's sorta been the tone of several newspaper articles I've read.

DVMDream said:
You are really going to argue that the what 15 people that have responded here ALL misread the OP and you were the ONLY shining star to understand them? Seriously?
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Yes. There's a stick in the corner specifically reserved for beating special snowflakes. Use it as you see fit.
 
I do want to add that there is an ex-director of admissions that truly does sound like the questionable poster...

I met him a few years back, and he charges for preveterinary advising services. Some of you may know who I'm talking about. I personally think he peddles a load of crap and uses fear tactics to get money. At least that's how he behaved when I spoke with him. Some of his advice might be genuine...but he seems shady to me.
 
ameropean_chelsea said:
So I went out to a eucalyptus forest to find some wood to make it with, but my efforts have been impeded by a rare band of exceptionally territorial koalas. Apparently my tree kangaroo disguise was not sufficient enough to fool them into thinking I was a creature endemic to this land.
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I'm never getting one, am I? You can just tell me. I can handle it. I'm crying, though.
 
LetItSnow said:
I'm never getting one, am I? You can just tell me. I can handle it. I'm crying, though.
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When I find something suitable, it'll happen. Unfortunately I can't justify the redonkulous cost of the things here. Plus boomerang-themed objects are hard to find when you're no longer in Aussieland. 🙁 So, legitimately, the search continues.

In other news... Did I win the anatomy cat coloring contest? 😉
 
geldedgoat said:
I don't see how this wasn't adequately qualified by his explanation of working with graduates who regret their decision. That's sorta been the tone of several newspaper articles I've read.
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Thing about this is that there are people in EVERY Profession who regret going into it. It doesn't mean much to say there are some veterinarians who want to leave vet med. So what? It's perhaps more ... painful (?) due to the debt:salary issue ... but it doesn't say much about the overall job satisfaction of vet med versus other occupations.
 
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