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Does anyone know if this tmdsas application cycle is running behind? Other then a HCOM secondary, I have not recieved a single ii and have submitted all my secondaries by mid june to early July. Each day I get more stressed, wondering if there is some red flag on my application and have been trying to find something wrong. It's been causing me alot of anxiety and I know I have slightly low stats compared to the average of the sub, but I wouldve hoped for a single one by now.

Thanks
 
d-d said:
Does anyone know if this tmdsas application cycle is running behind? Other then a HCOM secondary, I have not recieved a single ii and have submitted all my secondaries by mid june to early July. Each day I get more stressed, wondering if there is some red flag on my application and have been trying to find something wrong. It's been causing me alot of anxiety and I know I have slightly low stats compared to the average of the sub, but I wouldve hoped for a single one by now.

Thanks
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It’s a normal cycle but I know it doesn’t seem like that when you are waiting for your first interview.
The months of September to December or January are still ahead so it’s too early for despair
 
OOS Texas applicant with some ties (Family and have shadowed in Texas) - have not heard anything in three months. Is there any hope or no. Also, do they send R's through the cycle or only at the end?
 
Iron Man23 said:
OOS Texas applicant with some ties (Family and have shadowed in Texas) - have not heard anything in three months. Is there any hope or no. Also, do they send R's through the cycle or only at the end?
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Still lots of months to go. Mostly you will know you are rejected at a school if you have not interviewed there by mid January
 
wysdoc said:
Still lots of months to go. Mostly you will know you are rejected at a school if you have not interviewed there by mid January
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Sounds good. not holding my breath at all - I was told by a mentors it's not even worth it to apply to Texas as a non resident but I love the lone star state!
 
Is there a way to compare potential financial aid packages from Texas schools when determining what order to rank them in the match? I just fear that I may rank School A higher than School B not knowing that School B may offer me a scholarship while School A would not if that makes sense? So even if I have not received a pre-match acceptance will there be a way to determine if I would be offered financial aid if accepted?
 
TheDeadrok said:
Is there a way to compare potential financial aid packages from Texas schools when determining what order to rank them in the match? I just fear that I may rank School A higher than School B not knowing that School B may offer me a scholarship while School A would not if that makes sense? So even if I have not received a pre-match acceptance will there be a way to determine if I would be offered financial aid if accepted?
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One easy thing to know is that the IS tuition is more or less equal at all the TMDSAS schools.
If you read through last year’s threads around Match time you will see which schools offered scholarships more.
@texasvandy, what’s your input on generous schools?
 
wysdoc said:
One easy thing to know is that the IS tuition is more or less equal at all the TMDSAS schools.
If you read through last year’s threads around Match time you will see which schools offered scholarships more.
@texasvandy, what’s your input on generous schools?
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So if I understand, I can guess based on previous year's trends but there's no way of reaching out to know for sure because I have no guarantee of matching at whichever school I reach out to? I would love to see info from @texasvandy if there is data on which schools offer the most merit scholarships.
 
@wysdoc at this point do you think we've reached the halfway point for interviews? Like have 50+% of invites been sent out?

Obviously there's no way to know for certain but I'm just trying to gauge where we're at. I looked at last cycle's threads and saw that we seem to be behind for a good chunk of schools, but this could be explained by confounding variables (less active SDN, high-stat applicant pool, etc.). Just a penny for your thoughts!
 
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TheDeadrok said:
So if I understand, I can guess based on previous year's trends but there's no way of reaching out to know for sure because I have no guarantee of matching at whichever school I reach out to? I would love to see info from @texasvandy if there is data on which schools offer the most merit scholarships.
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I know it's a lot of research on your part, but you will see that a few schools (UTSW, Baylor) offered a scholarship at the time of prematch
 
ryanh77 said:
@wysdoc at this point do you think we've reached the halfway point for interviews? Like have 50+% of invites been sent out?

Obviously there's no way to know for certain but I'm just trying to gauge where we're at. I looked at last cycle's threads and saw that we seem to be behind for a good chunk of schools, but this could be explained by confounding variables (less active SDN, high-stat applicant pool, etc.). Just a penny for your thoughts!
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I don’t think we have a more higher stat applicant poo. I think SDN and Reddit are horrible markers for the application pool because it’s like the 0.01% that even post
 
ryanh77 said:
@wysdoc at this point do you think we've reached the halfway point for interviews? Like have 50+% of invites been sent out?

Obviously there's no way to know for certain but I'm just trying to gauge where we're at. I looked at last cycle's threads and saw that we seem to be behind for a good chunk of schools, but this could be explained by confounding variables (less active SDN, high-stat applicant pool, etc.). Just a penny for your thoughts!
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There are still some primary TMDSAS apps trickling in but pretty soon (the deadline is Nov 1) there will be no new competitors for you guys who submitted early. Then each school will know their total applicant pool for the year and some of you who were "maybes" for an interview could now be a "yes".
I don't know how many interviews have been used by now, because all I can see is the "days" on which people were invited. Thanks to my SDN peeps for sharing their news! ... I don't know how many people were included on each interview day.

I will keep reassuring you guys that there are still more months of interview invitations, and if you didn't get one right away, it doesn't mean you have been "passed over"
 
wysdoc said:
I know it's a lot of research on your part, but you will see that a few schools (UTSW, Baylor) offered a scholarship at the time of prematch
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Did a little searching and found that SW offered a Full COA scholarship and Baylor offered some amount of scholarship as well around mid march. Long also gave a 5k scholarship?
 
TheDeadrok said:
Did a little searching and found that SW offered a Full COA scholarship and Baylor offered some amount of scholarship as well around mid march. Long also gave a 5k scholarship?
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From the Baylor interview they seemed to be pretty clear that they give merit based scholarhips, but that they don't give them often and they don't spend all their scholarship funds on prematches. meaning even though by definition prematches are students the school would rank highly, they still reserve scholarship money for matches even though (IN GENERAL) those students weren't ranked high enough for a prematch but still might deserve a merit scholarship. Personally, I don't quite get it, but Baylor does how they do. Also, Baylor said they really don't prematch as much as other schools and don't prematch until November.

Just from anecdotal evidence, it seems UTSW prematches very early and seems to want to give many scholarships early on, but I could be wrong.
 
wysdoc said:
There are still some primary TMDSAS apps trickling in but pretty soon (the deadline is Nov 1) there will be no new competitors for you guys who submitted early. Then each school will know their total applicant pool for the year and some of you who were "maybes" for an interview could now be a "yes".
I don't know how many interviews have been used by now, because all I can see is the "days" on which people were invited. Thanks to my SDN peeps for sharing their news! ... I don't know how many people were included on each interview day.

I will keep reassuring you guys that there are still more months of interview invitations, and if you didn't get one right away, it doesn't mean you have been "passed over"
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It is a very complex issue ma'am as you are aware, the nuances can be mindboggling among the different colleges.

As we all agree, Texas is the least expensive medical school system in the country (unless one can get into a free tuition school or a high end school providing full aid for people who happen to be socioeconomic challenged. The instate tuition is 22-27k at most schools with OOS only an extra 10-15k. Texas state subsidizes the state schools with the difference between what can amount to about 55k in cost per student by providing the difference (this is a known number since Sam Houston was charging this much until State started funding them 2 years ago). They essentially buy about 75-80% of the seats from Baylor by subsiding that many students as instate. Texas law allows OOS students to pay instate if they are granted $1000 in scholarship money and several schools make use of it by stating upfront that the OOS students will be paying instate if they are admitted. The known schools in this list are UTSW, McGovern, A&M (?), Tech etc. Baylor is considered a private school and they dont offer instate but many OOS students buy property when they move to texas to get instate starting 2nd year,

As you have mentioned in subsequent messages, several schools including UTSW and Baylor provide scholarships to people along with their admission letter. Who they give them to is not always very clear but my guess is that the initial recipients usually are meeting institutional needs, have unique traits or combination. They are seriously trying to recruit them but these candidates are usually really at the very high end of the spectrum since people who were given scholarships by these schools with admission dont seem to end up in those schools - 2 years ago a couple got money from UTSW upfront and later from baylor but ended up in top 10 schools and last the recent batch one ended up at at a top 5 school but not purely based on academics. Two of them were high achieving URMs with harvard pedigree and serious research credentials while the third had high academic achievement with a division I football play on the resume. So one has to be someone special to get those initial scholarships from these schools.

I believe Dell gives many scholarships although I dont know what percentage of the class gets them. Financial need doesnt seem to be a factor although those who may have financial need get really good scholarships. UTMB was issuing scholarships 2 years ago at an astronomical pace before match (10k/year to many and smaller amounts to also to many) but with their delayed admission date in the last cycle to almost mid december, the scholarship announcements have been delayed and may or may not be available before match.

McGovern does not give any before match day from what I know and a few who have had prematches and picked McGovern over schools they had received money from were pleasantly surprised to receive one despite not having a financial need. There have been others who matched out of the waitlist who were able to negotiate a scholarship based on what they already had from the school they were planning to attend after the match. In theory, if one has 3 prematches and one of them has given a scholarship, that person can try negotiating for a scholarship from any of the other 2 they want to rank as their number 1 if they are known to give a scholarship prematch.

Students overthink the scholarship aspect too much. Instate students should be willing to absorb that 90k in loans and go to the school they want because it is a cost much lower than anywhere else.
 
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texasvandy said:
It is a very complex issue ma'am as you are aware, the nuances can be mindboggling among the different colleges.

As we all agree, Texas is the least expensive medical school system in the country (unless one can get into a feee tuition school or a high end school providing full aid for people who happen to be socioeconomic challenged. The instate tuition is 22-27k at most schools with OOS only an extra 10-15k. Texas state subsidizes the state schools with the difference between what can amount to about 55k in cost per student by providing the difference (this is a known number since Sam Houston was charging this much until State started funding them 2 years ago). They essentially buy about 75-80% of the seats from Baylor by subsiding that many students as instate. Texas law allows OOS students to pay instate if they are granted $1000 in scholarship money and several schools make use of it by stating upfront that the OOS students will be paying instate if they are admitted. The known schools in this list are UTSW, McGovern, A&M (?), Tech etc. Baylor is considered a private school and they dont offer instate but many OOS students buy property when they move to texas to get instate starting 2nd year,

As you have mentioned in subsequent messages, several schools including UTSW and Baylor provide scholarships to people along with their admission letter. Who they give them to is not always very clear but my guess is that the initial recipients usually are meeting institutional needs, have unique traits or combination. They are seriously trying to recruit them but these candidates are usually really at the very high end of the spectrum since people who were given scholarships by these schools with admission dont seem to end up in those schools - 2 years ago a couple got money from UTSW upfront and later from baylor but ended up in top 10 schools and last the recent batch one ended up at at a top 5 school but not purely based on academics. Two of them were high achieving URMs with harvard pedigree and serious research credentials while the third had high academic achievement with a division I football play on the resume. So one has to be someone special to get those initial scholarships from these schools.

I believe Dell gives many scholarships although I dont know what percentage of the class gets them. Financial doesnt seem to be a factor although those who may have financial need get really good scholarships. UTMB was issuing scholarships 2 years ago at an astronomical pace before match (10k/year to many and smaller amounts to also to many) but with their delayed admission date in the last cycle to almost mid december, the scholarship announcements have been delayed and may or may not be available before match.

McGovern does not give any before match day from what I know and a few who have had prematches and picked McGovern over schools they had received money from were pleasantly surprised to receive one despite not having a financial need. There have been others who matched out of the waitlist who were able to negotiate a scholarship based on what they already had from the school they were attending after the match. In theory, if one has 3 prematches and one of them has given a scholarship, that person can try negotiating for a scholarship from any of the other 2 they want to rank as their number 1 if they are known to give a scholarship prematch.

Students overthink the scholarship aspect too much. Instate students should be willing to absorb that 90k in loans and go to the school they want because it is a cost much lower than anywhere else.
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Thank you so much for the info! I know that it's already a blessing and a privilege to get reduced tuition through Texas subsidizing, but boy do I love getting free money to avoid debt haha. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out this cycle!
 
I’m a current MS1 at UTMB who prematched. I didn’t find out about my recruitment scholarship till after the match. If they do it like last year, you might not find out about scholarships till after the match. They did say who gets a scholarship isn’t just based on MCAT AND GPA they are holistic in deciding.
 
booksnmedicine said:
I’m a current MS1 at UTMB who prematched. I didn’t find out about my recruitment scholarship till after the match. If they do it like last year, you might not find out about scholarships till after the match. They did say who gets a scholarship isn’t just based on MCAT AND GPA they are holistic in deciding.
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Was it something you applied for or is it an email that is sent to predetermined people?
 
anonymous1234556 said:
Was it something you applied for or is it an email that is sent to predetermined people?
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It's decided upon by the school how to apportion their scholarship funds, there isn't an application to be done by students.
 
For UTMB specifically the recruitment scholarships were decided based on accepted applicants without an additional application. However, the additional scholarships available did require an application and those were based on specific criteria based on what the donors set up as guidelines.
 
2017 article on the topic, so obviously some numbers need to be updated
www.texastribune.org

Med school on the cheap: Why becoming a doctor in Texas is a bargain

When Caitlin Comfort decided to go to medical school, the Yale grad had her heart set on the East Coast. But facing $90,000 per year price tags for tuition, she said no thanks, and started applying to schools back home in Texas.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
Mr.Smile12 said:
2017 article on the topic, so obviously some numbers need to be updated
www.texastribune.org

Med school on the cheap: Why becoming a doctor in Texas is a bargain

When Caitlin Comfort decided to go to medical school, the Yale grad had her heart set on the East Coast. But facing $90,000 per year price tags for tuition, she said no thanks, and started applying to schools back home in Texas.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
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That article mentioned new medical schools opening up in Texas, besides UT Tyler what else is in the works?
 
texasvandy said:
It is a very complex issue ma'am as you are aware, the nuances can be mindboggling among the different colleges.

As we all agree, Texas is the least expensive medical school system in the country (unless one can get into a free tuition school or a high end school providing full aid for people who happen to be socioeconomic challenged. The instate tuition is 22-27k at most schools with OOS only an extra 10-15k. Texas state subsidizes the state schools with the difference between what can amount to about 55k in cost per student by providing the difference (this is a known number since Sam Houston was charging this much until State started funding them 2 years ago). They essentially buy about 75-80% of the seats from Baylor by subsiding that many students as instate. Texas law allows OOS students to pay instate if they are granted $1000 in scholarship money and several schools make use of it by stating upfront that the OOS students will be paying instate if they are admitted. The known schools in this list are UTSW, McGovern, A&M (?), Tech etc. Baylor is considered a private school and they dont offer instate but many OOS students buy property when they move to texas to get instate starting 2nd year,

As you have mentioned in subsequent messages, several schools including UTSW and Baylor provide scholarships to people along with their admission letter. Who they give them to is not always very clear but my guess is that the initial recipients usually are meeting institutional needs, have unique traits or combination. They are seriously trying to recruit them but these candidates are usually really at the very high end of the spectrum since people who were given scholarships by these schools with admission dont seem to end up in those schools - 2 years ago a couple got money from UTSW upfront and later from baylor but ended up in top 10 schools and last the recent batch one ended up at at a top 5 school but not purely based on academics. Two of them were high achieving URMs with harvard pedigree and serious research credentials while the third had high academic achievement with a division I football play on the resume. So one has to be someone special to get those initial scholarships from these schools.

I believe Dell gives many scholarships although I dont know what percentage of the class gets them. Financial need doesnt seem to be a factor although those who may have financial need get really good scholarships. UTMB was issuing scholarships 2 years ago at an astronomical pace before match (10k/year to many and smaller amounts to also to many) but with their delayed admission date in the last cycle to almost mid december, the scholarship announcements have been delayed and may or may not be available before match.

McGovern does not give any before match day from what I know and a few who have had prematches and picked McGovern over schools they had received money from were pleasantly surprised to receive one despite not having a financial need. There have been others who matched out of the waitlist who were able to negotiate a scholarship based on what they already had from the school they were planning to attend after the match. In theory, if one has 3 prematches and one of them has given a scholarship, that person can try negotiating for a scholarship from any of the other 2 they want to rank as their number 1 if they are known to give a scholarship prematch.

Students overthink the scholarship aspect too much. Instate students should be willing to absorb that 90k in loans and go to the school they want because it is a cost much lower than anywhere else.
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Just as a little post script to anyone reading the last part about matching scholarships, in the interview baylor emphasized they will not match scholarships or awards for any student.
 
PolarIceLongLastingFlavor said:
Just as a little post script to anyone reading the last part about matching scholarships, in the interview baylor emphasized they will not match scholarships or awards for any student.
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Thanks for passing on this info.
 
Do texas medical schools know which schools sent you an interview, or is it just all the schools you applied too?
 
FlyingJit said:
Do texas medical schools know which schools sent you an interview, or is it just all the schools you applied too?
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Per @wysdoc if a school is calling you for an interview, they know who else is interviewing you. Not sure if they can check before they want to call since it is not clear how they know at some point but not always.
 
texasvandy said:
Per @wysdoc if a school is calling you for an interview, they know who else is interviewing you. Not sure if they can check before they want to call since it is not clear how they know at some point but not always.
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Yes, at the point where a school plans to interview you, they can see what other schools have asked you
If you never submitted a primary to a school, they wouldn’t be able to see that info.
This stuff is just true for TMDSAS as far as I know
 
wysdoc said:
Yes, at the point where a school plans to interview you, they can see what other schools have asked you
If you never submitted a primary to a school, they wouldn’t be able to see that info.
This stuff is just true for TMDSAS as far as I know
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I wonder if there is some central system they have to input their interviewees names and when they do they can check on the name about other schools when they put that person in to the system themselves. If they dont enter the name, then they cant look up. This is just speculation since I have no idea.
 
texasvandy said:
I wonder if there is some central system they have to input their interviewees names and when they do they can check on the name about other schools when they put that person in to the system themselves. If they dont enter the name, then they cant look up. This is just speculation since I have no idea.
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No idea what goes on behind the scenes!
 
wysdoc said:
No idea what goes on behind the scenes!
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This would definitely impact schools' decision to send an II, though, right? Like if an applicant has gotten II's at "top choice" schools in Texas, would other schools see that and decide not to send an invite?
 
TheDeadrok said:
This would definitely impact schools' decision to send an II, though, right? Like if an applicant has gotten II's at "top choice" schools in Texas, would other schools see that and decide not to send an invite?
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I think it would confirm that this is a worthy student & they were right to want to interview them-
 
When should someone be worried for the Texas cycle for II? October is coming and it seems like interviews are already being scheduled in the months after.
 
Eldenring22 said:
When should someone be worried for the Texas cycle for II? October is coming and it seems like interviews are already being scheduled in the months after.
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Take a look at the second post in this thread to see what dates schools have sent out invitations. 2024-2025 TMDSAS Interview Invitations
We still have the months of October, November, and December in our future for more invitations from TMDSAS schools.

You can compare that to last year's dates and what you will notice is that a few schools (EnMed, UTSW, UTMB, UTRGV) finished up sending their invitations out by the end of November. The others carry on through December or even early January. LAST Year's TMDSAS Invitation dates

The other factor is that even if some schools wait to see the entire applicant pool before using up all their interview slots, the number of new primary application submissions is dwindling down, with the final deadline for TMDSAS primary submission of November 1.
Great applicants who planned ahead and are on top of everything submitted their primaries by July and that is one reason you see them getting more interviews. The other reason could be that some schools start out their interview year with high stat applicants and work their way forward to average Joes. Most of us are average Joes.

Keep all this in perspective and try not to worry if you have submitted everything and have a balanced application. Waiting around when you have done what you can is very hard.
 
wysdoc said:
Take a look at the second post in this thread to see what dates schools have sent out invitations. 2024-2025 TMDSAS Interview Invitations
We still have the months of October, November, and December in our future for more invitations from TMDSAS schools.

You can compare that to last year's dates and what you will notice is that a few schools (EnMed, UTSW, UTMB, UTRGV) finished up sending their invitations out by the end of November. The others carry on through December or even early January. LAST Year's TMDSAS Invitation dates

The other factor is that even if some schools wait to see the entire applicant pool before using up all their interview slots, the number of new primary application submissions is dwindling down, with the final deadline for TMDSAS primary submission of November 1.
Great applicants who planned ahead and are on top of everything submitted their primaries by July and that is one reason you see them getting more interviews. The other reason could be that some schools start out their interview year with high stat applicants and work their way forward to average Joes. Most of us are average Joes.

Keep all this in perspective and try not to worry if you have submitted everything and have a balanced application. Waiting around when you have done what you can is very hard.
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Very well said. Hope this eases some of our worries!
 
Heyo Everyone! I hope everyone is having an amazing cycle so far. Just wanted to check in and ask what is an "average" number of interviews to have thus far in the cycle. I am not sure if it's early or middle or late in the cycle since prematches come out in 15 days. I would love to have some guidance on this! Thank you all!
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
Heyo Everyone! I hope everyone is having an amazing cycle so far. Just wanted to check in and ask what is an "average" number of interviews to have thus far in the cycle. I am not sure if it's early or middle or late in the cycle since prematches come out in 15 days. I would love to have some guidance on this! Thank you all!
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average is 0-1, maybe 0.5.
 
CYaL8Er01 said:
Heyo Everyone! I hope everyone is having an amazing cycle so far. Just wanted to check in and ask what is an "average" number of interviews to have thus far in the cycle. I am not sure if it's early or middle or late in the cycle since prematches come out in 15 days. I would love to have some guidance on this! Thank you all!
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A sweeping generalization like that method of analysis won't really tell you anything tbh, nor does anyone know how to answer you. Interviews aren't up to random chance, you would want to stratify by ECs/MCAT/GPA groups, which is probably impossible to do reliably with a lack of data. Even if the total average is like 0-1, or 1-2, your 517 and 3.86 puts you into a different group of students. Maybe for high stat applicants the average is 5-8, or maybe its 1-3. Who knows.
 
PolarIceLongLastingFlavor said:
A sweeping generalization like that method of analysis won't really tell you anything tbh, nor does anyone know how to answer you. Interviews aren't up to random chance, you would want to stratify by ECs/MCAT/GPA groups, which is probably impossible to do reliably with a lack of data. Even if the total average is like 0-1, or 1-2, your 517 and 3.86 puts you into a different group of students. Maybe for high stat applicants the average is 5-8, or maybe its 1-3. Who knows.
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I just say 0-1 to give people comfort and closure especially if they are on the neurotic side. No one really knows the answer and no one probably will. It's greater than stats in a lot of cases, but at lease they have it going for them. Everyone has a different path and if you get 100 interviews or 1 interview, its a blessing to be interviewing.
 
PolarIceLongLastingFlavor said:
A sweeping generalization like that method of analysis won't really tell you anything tbh, nor does anyone know how to answer you. Interviews aren't up to random chance, you would want to stratify by ECs/MCAT/GPA groups, which is probably impossible to do reliably with a lack of data. Even if the total average is like 0-1, or 1-2, your 517 and 3.86 puts you into a different group of students. Maybe for high stat applicants the average is 5-8, or maybe its 1-3. Who knows.
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That fair. Thank you for your guidance. I guess I was just unsure if I am “in a good place” or “on track” based on my stats at this point in the cycle since I don’t know what to use a point of reference 😅
 
It's crazy how fast/slow the cycle is going. I feel like each day is a slow cycle of checking my emails and answering every (mostly spam) phone call I get, but then I look at the date and it's less than two weeks until pre-match offers start going out 😳
 
andy1788 said:
It's crazy how fast/slow the cycle is going. I feel like each day is a slow cycle of checking my emails and answering every (mostly spam) phone call I get, but then I look at the date and it's less than two weeks until pre-match offers start going out 😳
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