The September 10th, 2014 MCAT Thread

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I know this is early but its never too early to start "warming up" before you actually start studying. I bought the Kaplan MCAT flash cards and I just look at couple of them everyday to review topics before I start studying in mid June. What materials is everyone using/going to use?

Good luck everyone!
 
Boy I'm glad I found this thread. Post-MCAT feelings have really been getting to me. I took the 2pm test and here are my thoughts:

PS:
First passage threw me off guard and required many calculations. Not the greatest way to start a section, this really took a shot at my confidence. I finished all I could and returned with the time I had left over to re-attempt the questions I didn't feel good about. Overall, PS was different than the practice tests and I guessed/was uncertain about many of my answers especially some GChem ones. No idea how I scored, but not feeling too great... I'm guessing as low as 7-8 and as high as 11..

VR:
This section was tough and I never really feel great or have an idea of how I did on any verbal sections. I did think I was struggling with time more than usual and that some of the passages were longer. Also, the questions were tough. Many of my questions were narrowed down to 50/50. I also lost focus a couple of times thinking of how bad I did in PS... No idea what I scored here.

BS:
Toughest section on this test. No real knowledge was tested - there were a bunch of experiments and the questions were comprehension/inference type questions. A couple of the experiments completely stumped me and I had no idea what was going on. I made a A LOT of educated guesses on this section and a few random ones. Oh, and there was one OChem passage which was a godsend! That was the only passage where I felt sure about my answers. However, everything seemed like a big blur and I can hardly remember the passages from either section. The only ones that stuck with me were the extremely hard ones 😢... I'm guessing as low as an 8 and as high as a 10..

This really sucks. I truly felt prepared, averaging 31 on my AAMCs but I think it all really came down to how much rest you got approaching the test. My reading comprehension and verbal score is greatly affecting by how much sleep I get the night before. I really tried to sleep early and I did, but I woke up in the middle of the night to this crazy adrenaline rush where I nearly had a panic attack. I couldn't sleep for 4 HOURS! I slept a total of 5-6 hours and I was hoping for 8-9. 🙁

I really hope I get a 30 and don't need to take this test again. Anyways, it's nice to hear others had similar experiences and writing about this is making me feel a little better.:barf:

Agreed with everything you said
 
Took the 2 pm one and either it was really difficult or the nerves got the best of me. I was averaging around 12 PS 9 VR and 11 BS but my best guess for this test is a 6 PS 5 VR and 7 BS! So stumped and don't know if I should sign up for a retake or f$@* mcat and be a street pharmacist instead
 
Took the 2 pm one and either it was really difficult or the nerves got the best of me. I was averaging around 12 PS 9 VR and 11 BS but my best guess for this test is a 6 PS 5 VR and 7 BS! So stumped and don't know if I should sign up for a retake or f$@* mcat and be a street pharmacist instead
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Took the 2 pm one and either it was really difficult or the nerves got the best of me. I was averaging around 12 PS 9 VR and 11 BS but my best guess for this test is a 6 PS 5 VR and 7 BS! So stumped and don't know if I should sign up for a retake or f$@* mcat and be a street pharmacist instead

Im sure you did better than you think! this test was hard IMO
 
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Im sure you did better than you think! this test was hard IMO
Yeah that's what I thought the waiting game is killing all of us though!
 
Sorry I just saw this. Yeah Ill be applying this cycle to a couple of universities in Canada how about yourself? I also wrote the August 7th MCAT but the 2pm exam! haha

Probably, only Ontario schools (UofT, Mcmaster, Queens and Ottawa) though. I am trying to be able to break the VR requirement for Western, gonna be a long dream if I ever get 11, got 9 last time 🙁. Whenever I signed up for my MCAT, the afternoon was already full and I had to take the morning one. Though through all the posts here, it seems that the 2pm test sounds a lot harder than the 8am test.
 
Probably, only Ontario schools (UofT, Mcmaster, Queens and Ottawa) though. I am trying to be able to break the VR requirement for Western, gonna be a long dream if I ever get 11, got 9 last time 🙁. Whenever I signed up for my MCAT, the afternoon was already full and I had to take the morning one. Though through all the posts here, it seems that the 2pm test sounds a lot harder than the 8am test.
I know what you mean about the 11 verbal I wanted to apply to Calgary but I keep getting 10's in verbal 🙁 .
 
What are peoples backup plans if verbal went down in ruins? Is there really a huge disadvantage becoming a DO over MD in terms of residency options( lets say your an md and a DO with the same usmle scores)? I am not a big believer in OMM and another reason why I like MD over DO is the increased availability of performing and being involved with research. That is why I did not apply to DO schools last year and have spent all my time retaking the mcat in attempt to get into an MD school. I have seen people with scores as low as 22 and verbals of low as 5 get into osteopathic med schools( michigan state university which is supposed to be one of the better DO schools) .The students at the schools open house were telling me " not to even worry about mcat scores" which I found very very alarming. I have also seen two of the smartest people I knew during my undergrad with 4.0 GPA's and high 30's mcat scores go the DO route( this people are legit smart that could have gone to many other schools. I am not making this up.) I am more open to going DO now if it wont affect my residency options( even though everyone says your board scores are the only thing that matters)

Others on this forum as well as myself have experienced insomnia which absolutely hinders one's verbal ability during the test( has taken me from averaging 8-10 to 6 twice on test day). I have the grades( 3.93 compared to my friends/peers I have seen get in with 3.6 to 3.7), science scores, ec's to get into MD( state schools) and have scored higher overall (12-6-12 30) than several of my peers/friends that are currently in md schools( they say "well a 9-9-10 or 11-8-10 is balanced and urs is not"). I did get an 8 in verbal last month, but I dont think schools take highest sub scores( 12-8-12 in my case). At the same time, I know of a couple people that have gotten into md schools with a 6 in verbal( their resumes were good otherwise, but it was not like they were cancer researchers or started medical non-profits).
 
Took the 2 pm one and either it was really difficult or the nerves got the best of me. I was averaging around 12 PS 9 VR and 11 BS but my best guess for this test is a 6 PS 5 VR and 7 BS! So stumped and don't know if I should sign up for a retake or f$@* mcat and be a street pharmacist instead

This has me wondering if anyone has ever got a 1 PS 1 VR 1 BS in the history of the MCAT?

I don't think you will. From the comments on here, 9/10's 2pm exam might have a generous curve.
 
What are peoples backup plans if verbal went down in ruins? Is there really a huge disadvantage becoming a DO over MD in terms of residency options( lets say your an md and a DO with the same usmle scores)? I am not a big believer in OMM and another reason why I like MD over DO is the increased availability of performing and being involved with research. That is why I did not apply to DO schools last year and have spent all my time retaking the mcat in attempt to get into an MD school. I have seen people with scores as low as 22 and verbals of low as 5 get into osteopathic med schools( michigan state university which is supposed to be one of the better DO schools) .The students at the schools open house were telling me " not to even worry about mcat scores" which I found very very alarming. I have also seen two of the smartest people I knew during my undergrad with 4.0 GPA's and high 30's mcat scores go the DO route( this people are legit smart that could have gone to many other schools. I am not making this up.) I am more open to going DO now if it wont affect my residency options( even though everyone says your board scores are the only thing that matters)

Others on this forum as well as myself have experienced insomnia which absolutely hinders one's verbal ability during the test( has taken me from averaging 8-10 to 6 twice on test day). I have the grades( 3.93 compared to my friends/peers I have seen get in with 3.6 to 3.7), science scores, ec's to get into MD( state schools) and have scored higher overall (12-6-12 30) than several of my peers/friends that are currently in md schools( they say "well a 9-9-10 or 11-8-10 is balanced and urs is not"). I did get an 8 in verbal last month, but I dont think schools take highest sub scores( 12-8-12 in my case). At the same time, I know of a couple people that have gotten into md schools with a 6 in verbal( their resumes were good otherwise, but it was not like they were cancer researchers or started medical non-profits).

-According the the Pre-Allo forum, "the most competitive specialties prefer MD." There might be a list somewhere that can prove or disprove this.

-In my case, I would not consider DO because I want to practice in Boston where practically everyone is an MD. I figure that there is a reason why (even if no one in the hiring department wants to own up to it). If I lived in an area with lots of DOs, I wouldn't hesitate to apply DO. (I personally dislike the class bias about DO's because they don't all have low scores and are not 100% inferior to MDs, IMO. That being said, it's well known that some DO schools are easier to get into than most or all MD schools.)
 
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-According the the Pre-Allo forum, "the most competitive specialties prefer MD." There might be a list somewhere that can prove or disprove this.

-In my case, I would not consider DO because I want to practice in Boston where practically everyone is an MD. I figure that there is a reason why (even if no one in the hiring department wants to own up to it). If I lived in an area with lots of DOs, I wouldn't hesitate to apply DO. (I personally dislike the class bias about DO's because they don't all have low scores and are not 100% inferior to MDs, IMO. That being said, it's well known that some DO schools are easier to get into than most or all MD schools.)

I see. Well, I have lived in a southern state for the past year ( I have also lived here for the past 3 summers in between college when my parents moved down here in 2011) and their md mcat average is 28. When I got an 8 on verbal, but crapped the bed on my sciences I got a 28. I am switching my amcas residency to apply here because I do not want any impediments in the future with regards to areas of the country that I can work at.
 
AVOID TROLLING: We're treading on a thin line right now.

IMO MD schools are more competitive to get into. That does NOT MEAN DO = STUPID = BAD. WRONG WRONG WRONG. I openly embrace the idea of osteopathic medicine - the philosophy of treating patients without drugs/intervention sounds great to me. However, I disagree with the osteopathic philosophy that portrays medicine as this AWFUL CRUEL thing were they shove pills down their patients throats. I don't like either side attacking one another.

However, in my particular undergraduate (huge state/public school) we have little guidance here. Everyone goes to DO, approximately 500/year, and maybe 40 go MD.

My own observation (I do statistics research/computational biochemistry), so I couldn't resists was looking DO matches into MD programs. It seems as though (MY OPINION) is that DO students tend to not really care about the philosophy, and just care about the end road. Almost all DO students I interviewed said they would ahve taken MD ina heartbeat over DO school- only 1 out of 177 told me he rejected several MD programs for this DO program. Most DO students match into MD residencies which makes me question their devotion and admiration of the osteopathic philosophy.

I don't like the MDs bashing DOs at all. However, I don't like DOs bashing MDs. I've shadowed at 4 hospitals, and all the DOs walk around with a MD badge which makes me form my opinion: they wanted MD, couldn't get in, so they took an alternate root. No different than Caribbean except that its within the Continental united states. Most MDs also don't just blindly assign medicine - the MD curriculum incorporates the osteopathic philosophy without directly saying so or teaching an extra class. Both are doctors, but I the MD is more competitive to get into, so I still believe it is the better degree. The avg. MD MCAT is a 30ish (correct me if I'm wrong...?) while the avg. DO mcat is 26. The avg. MD GPA is 3.65 while DO GPA is 3.2. The numbers speak for themselves. I had the opportunity to do a cross comparison stats project of my own at a local DO school (my UG is right next to one 😛!). The huge difference between MD and DO school is USMLE prep- MD schools leave you on your own to study for it for some period of time, while DO students are taught USMLE Classes by professors from popular test staking companies. When i saw this, I was able to snag an interview with the company that worked their, and they told me the student body has lower incoming numbers, so they need guided prep to make sure they can compensate. So with boat loads of private tutoring, they are able to match MD Step 1 Numbers, yet they couldn't match them when applying to MD/DO school.

My last thought on this is the osteopathic philosophy is holistic and general. This sounds great to me. But when yous ee match lists from DO schools and you see DO students matching into very specialized, technical, and non-holistic programs it makes me cast doubt on their decision again. For example, neurosurgery: you're localized tot he brain, and its a surgical intervention - probably as most non-DO you can get, yet DO students are able to match into it.

I think most students who apply to DO are smart enough to match MD numbers, they'd just need to do a post-bacc/masters to raise the GPA and/or get a higher MCAT.

I know flamers are gonna jump on me, but these are my thoughts- don't stomp me down right away! If you do have questions/want to state your argument for Pro/Con MD/DO, I welcome it in a formal online debate - the internet was initially intended for progressive and innovate thought relay and information sharing 🙂.
 
AVOID TROLLING: We're treading on a thin line right now.

IMO MD schools are more competitive to get into. That does NOT MEAN DO = STUPID = BAD. WRONG WRONG WRONG. I openly embrace the idea of osteopathic medicine - the philosophy of treating patients without drugs/intervention sounds great to me. However, I disagree with the osteopathic philosophy that portrays medicine as this AWFUL CRUEL thing were they shove pills down their patients throats. I don't like either side attacking one another.

However, in my particular undergraduate (huge state/public school) we have little guidance here. Everyone goes to DO, approximately 500/year, and maybe 40 go MD.

My own observation (I do statistics research/computational biochemistry), so I couldn't resists was looking DO matches into MD programs. It seems as though (MY OPINION) is that DO students tend to not really care about the philosophy, and just care about the end road. Almost all DO students I interviewed said they would ahve taken MD ina heartbeat over DO school- only 1 out of 177 told me he rejected several MD programs for this DO program. Most DO students match into MD residencies which makes me question their devotion and admiration of the osteopathic philosophy.

I don't like the MDs bashing DOs at all. However, I don't like DOs bashing MDs. I've shadowed at 4 hospitals, and all the DOs walk around with a MD badge which makes me form my opinion: they wanted MD, couldn't get in, so they took an alternate root. No different than Caribbean except that its within the Continental united states. Most MDs also don't just blindly assign medicine - the MD curriculum incorporates the osteopathic philosophy without directly saying so or teaching an extra class. Both are doctors, but I the MD is more competitive to get into, so I still believe it is the better degree. The avg. MD MCAT is a 30ish (correct me if I'm wrong...?) while the avg. DO mcat is 26. The avg. MD GPA is 3.65 while DO GPA is 3.2. The numbers speak for themselves. I had the opportunity to do a cross comparison stats project of my own at a local DO school (my UG is right next to one 😛!). The huge difference between MD and DO school is USMLE prep- MD schools leave you on your own to study for it for some period of time, while DO students are taught USMLE Classes by professors from popular test staking companies. When i saw this, I was able to snag an interview with the company that worked their, and they told me the student body has lower incoming numbers, so they need guided prep to make sure they can compensate. So with boat loads of private tutoring, they are able to match MD Step 1 Numbers, yet they couldn't match them when applying to MD/DO school.

My last thought on this is the osteopathic philosophy is holistic and general. This sounds great to me. But when yous ee match lists from DO schools and you see DO students matching into very specialized, technical, and non-holistic programs it makes me cast doubt on their decision again. For example, neurosurgery: you're localized tot he brain, and its a surgical intervention - probably as most non-DO you can get, yet DO students are able to match into it.

I think most students who apply to DO are smart enough to match MD numbers, they'd just need to do a post-bacc/masters to raise the GPA and/or get a higher MCAT.

I know flamers are gonna jump on me, but these are my thoughts- don't stomp me down right away! If you do have questions/want to state your argument for Pro/Con MD/DO, I welcome it in a formal online debate - the internet was initially intended for progressive and innovate thought relay and information sharing 🙂.

I agree with the vast majority of the things you said. As for my pitfull thus far, I did not achieve an 8 or above on verbal when my science scores were in my range to get a 30 plus( obviously we don't know the results of September 10th). In individual undergrad classes in comparison to my peers that are already in md school, I would always be near the top or at the top of the class in the more difficult undergrad courses( physics, chem, orgo,biology, biochemistry, physiology). I could be mistaken, but I am not sure if that verbal score automatically= incapable and unfit for a medical career.

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How'd it go?

PS was doable, VR was the easiest ive ever seen on an AAMC (meaning there might be a crazy scale i dunno), and BS which is usually my strongest went up in flames. the first passage was brutal, ruined my confidence and reallllly slowed me down. bio alone and the fact that noone wants to take 2015 tests are what caused me to register for jan test asap.
 
Had a nightmare about one of the BS passages...anyone else suffering from Post-MCAT Stress Disorder?

Omg, you have no idea. I was about to make a lengthy post about it yesterday but didn't want people to read my babbling. I've now had 3 nightmares about my MCAT.

First Nightmare: Don't remember the scores of all of my individual sections, just VR, where I got a 3......a 3!!!!
Second Nightmare: I received my score and it totaled to 27 (don't remember the individual breakdown)...but, I probably will get this score considering how awful I felt post-exam and 27 is approx. my AAMC average.
Third Nightmare: I saw myself taking the new 2015 MCAT...the thought of which makes me want to puke.

PMSD is all too real.
 
Ooc, how is the MCAT curve generated? I've been told that the "curve is pre-determined" before the actual date students take the MCAT. But then how does that work, the AAMC does not look at (for example) our Sept. 10 performances but give us a curve from earlier, like August or something...?
 
Ooc, how is the MCAT curve generated? I've been told that the "curve is pre-determined" before the actual date students take the MCAT. But then how does that work, the AAMC does not look at (for example) our Sept. 10 performances but give us a curve from earlier, like August or something...?
I think they look at our performance compared to a pre determined curve and make sure the two are consistent, making adjustments as necessary
 
I think they look at our performance compared to a pre determined curve and make sure the two are consistent, making adjustments as necessary
How do they make a pre-determined curve...? For example, I felt that our verbal was particularly hard, so it might not be air to compare it to a really easy pre-determined verbal curve.
 
According to the aamc guide the curve is pre determined, meaning that the test questions have already been given to a testing audience that produced a raw score to scaled score conversion. So they likely compared out raw score performance to the previously established one. They probably perform a normal distribution of the data and adjust accordingly if any deviations from the previous curve are present
 
According to the aamc guide the curve is pre determined, meaning that the test questions have already been given to a testing audience that produced a raw score to scaled score conversion. So they likely compared out raw score performance to the previously established one. They probably perform a normal distribution of the data and adjust accordingly if any deviations from the previous curve are present
Interesting...so the questions/passages we saw may have been administered on prior MCATs to help generate this so-called pre-curve? And then those SAME PASSAGES AND QUESTIONS were tested again on us, and they'll see how our #s compare to the first group and then generate a final curve? That actual sounds good...hope people who took these questions before use did terrible then 😛.
 
Interesting...so the questions/passages we saw may have been administered on prior MCATs to help generate this so-called pre-curve? And then those SAME PASSAGES AND QUESTIONS were tested again on us, and they'll see how our #s compare to the first group and then generate a final curve? That actual sounds good...hope people who took these questions before use did terrible then 😛.

Why does it take so long to "grade" the tests then? If the curve is pre-determined, then the only things left to do would be analyzing the actual results - noting differences, and finally adjusting scores. In fact, I don't think it would be difficult to create a formula taking all of these factors into account and having our test scores sent out within a week.
 
Why does it take so long to "grade" the tests then? If the curve is pre-determined, then the only things left to do would be analyzing the actual results - noting differences, and finally adjusting scores. In fact, I don't think it would be difficult to create a formula taking all of these factors into account and having our test scores sent out within a week.

So they can watch all the Prometric videos to ensure no one cheated.

Actually, I think they either reserve the time to resolve any test-center issues or just haven't changed the policy since they omitted the writing section.
 
So they can watch all the Prometric videos to ensure no one cheated.

Actually, I think they either reserve the time to resolve any test-center issues or just haven't changed the policy since they omitted the writing section.
I'm actually a bit more cynical. I think since medicine is the most competitive graduate program in terms of admissions, to help reduce number of applicants/ease the application process, they take the 35 days to "grade." For example, DAT score is immediately presented to you. However, by making us wait 35 days, a lot of people miss cutoffs/can't get committee letters/can't do interviews/etc. and thus easing the overall admissions process for the medical schools. But that's my own conspiracy theory, like it or hate it.
 
I'm actually a bit more cynical. I think since medicine is the most competitive graduate program in terms of admissions, to help reduce number of applicants/ease the application process, they take the 35 days to "grade." For example, DAT score is immediately presented to you. However, by making us wait 35 days, a lot of people miss cutoffs/can't get committee letters/can't do interviews/etc. and thus easing the overall admissions process for the medical schools. But that's my own conspiracy theory, like it or hate it.

Nothing wrong with a good conspiracy theory. I'll keep this in mind and see if evidence collects or not.
 
For anyone considering re-taking. Have you guys already scheduled a 2nd test date or are you waiting for the scores to be released? Our scores are going to be released very close to the October test dates so I can't decide if I should sign-up for an october date or the january ones.
 
I had the 2PM test and I agree with mostly everyone else the 1st PS passage really threw me off. Verbal was pretty hard and BS was as expected very experimental based with lots of data interpretation. Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst....
 
For anyone considering re-taking. Have you guys already scheduled a 2nd test date or are you waiting for the scores to be released? Our scores are going to be released very close to the October test dates so I can't decide if I should sign-up for an october date or the january ones.

Schedule now or as soon as you can (if you can afford it). You can always cancel, but you can't make seats reappear once they fill up.
 
Hey everyone, I took the 2pm 9/10 exam as well, and stumbled across this thread while freaking out over the long wait left until results time. Reading through the posts, it is kind of reassuring to see that some others were thrown off by the 1st PS passage. Unfortunately, I took too long puzzling over that section and was rushing through the rest of PS. I thought VR was just okay, and that some discretes on BS were tricky. I actually have already registered for another test date in January, but had to register out of state...
 
I had a nightmare last night I took the MCAT again and my phone went off in the middle. Turns out it was my phone alarm and so I woke up and was so happy I was awake because I didn't want to be late to the testing center to be late to the MCAT and then my phone went off again and then I woke up for real. -_- The MCAT is still living in my subconscious.
 
I had a nightmare last night I took the MCAT again and my phone went off in the middle. Turns out it was my phone alarm and so I woke up and was so happy I was awake because I didn't want to be late to the testing center to be late to the MCAT and then my phone went off again and then I woke up for real. -_- The MCAT is still living in my subconscious.
I had a dream I got a 15-1-1 on the mcat.
 
So my friends got their MCAT score back yesterday, and it seems like they thought they would do better than they actually did, and most are retaking. This is freaking me out. I thought my VB was harder than it's ever been. I averaged 11's on VB, but I feel like it may go down to a 6...and with that awful PS. Man...I registered for the last MCAT in January. 🙁 I think I'm going to have to retake.
 
Had a dream I got a 32 last night...9, 9, 14 for ps, vr, and bs, respectively. I was so thrilled I didn't tank verbal hahahaha
 
Any idea when we're supposed to get our trial section results? Because I have never taken a psych class and am pretty sure I bombed my trial section...still want my gift card
 
Trial section marks and gift cards have been emailed.

63% top quarter, PS/BS combo section, 8am
 
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56%, top quarter, social science, took 2pm test. The last time I took a social science was around 6+ years ago...

Me the entire time I was answering questions on there:
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41%, bottom half, psychology. I also took the 2pm test and I really had no clue what I was doing - last pscyh class was over 9 years ago. Regardless, feeling pretty ****ty hoping this doesn't correlate to how I did on the real sections - maybe a sign that the guessing gods were not in my favor. :shrug:
 
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