the specialty with the craziest residents

[automaton]

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[DarksideAllstar]

do you mean crazy as in ******ed or crazy as in psycho? 😀

 

[tigershark]

Ob/gyn by far if you mean malignant.

Those people just hated life.

 

[Smurfette]

Crazy and malignant are two very different things.

 

[automaton]

Crazy and malignant are two very different things.

i'm not here to argue about the holy trinity or anything. suffice to say, many ob/gyn residents exude both insanity and malignancy. since i mentioned trinity, let me also add, incompetence.

 

[idq1i]

Crazy and malignant are two very different things.

People who vote for anything other than OB haven't done the rotation yet

 

[automaton]

do you mean crazy as in ******ed or crazy as in psycho? 😀

yes

 

[DOCTORSAIB]

Just curious. What makes the Ob/Gyn residents so malignant/bad?

Interestingly, this is not the first time I'm hearing this.

 

[sophiejane]

LOVED my OBGYN residents. Good teachers, happy (though tired) people, very reasonable in their expectations of students. I think it depends a lot on the program.

 

[Hurricane]

LOVED my OBGYN residents. Good teachers, happy (though tired) people, very reasonable in their expectations of students. I think it depends a lot on the program.

Absolutely. I rotated at a community hospital that is in our health alliance but has a separate OB/GYN residency. The residents were very cool and laid-back and fun to work with, and I learned a lot. But the students who rotated at both the university based program and the program at the large catholic hospital had the same thing to say as everyone else - the residents were mean and nasty and treated the students like sub-humans.

 

[Dr. Will]

I've never seen more residents and attendings bitch at each other than in OB/GYN, and I'm only 2 weeks into the rotation.

 

[deleted87716]

I've never seen more residents and attendings bitch at each other than in OB/GYN, and I'm only 2 weeks into the rotation.

See the whole thing. 🙂

 

[SLUser11]

First of all, very funny cartoon....I didn't know there was anything besides the "12 types of med students."

Secondly, this discussion exposes the difficult nature of the OB rotation: Your residents can make or break the rotation for you. If they're nice and helpful, then you experience the "miracle of life," and you go home with a big sh@t-eating grin on your face. Those who have a good rotation are very likely to go into OB/GYN......I mean, it really is a great deal, right? You get the best of both worlds: You get to operate, and you get to treat your patients medically. 😳

BUT, for most of us, especially young men (ten-fold if you're good-looking), OB is the absolute worst rotation imaginable. The residents are tired/overworked, the nurses are possessive and resentful, and if you're in a private hospital, the attendings want nothing to do with you.

My OB rotation was at a private hospital with delicious free food, cable TV, ready internet access, etc.....it was still the worst 2 weeks of med school by far. The residents felt too busy to deal with students, but also got pissed if the students didn't seem to be working. The nurses were straight b*#ches, by far the meanest and most eager-to-condescend of any of my rotations (in contrast to all other nurses in private hospitals, who are usually cupcakes).

In closing, OBGYN sucks for most, so plan ahead......

 

[sophiejane]

My OB rotation was at a private hospital with delicious free food, cable TV, ready internet access, etc.....it was still the worst 2 weeks of med school by far.

You only had 2 weeks of OB?? How is that possible?

 

[Dr. Will]

You only had 2 weeks of OB?? How is that possible?

I'd give my right testicle for this right now!

 

[dfagod]

I'm doing 1 week of nights on OB right now and it's torture. Easily the worst week of medical school

 

[deuist]

I've heard that ob/gyn is hell, but I voted for psych because of the First Law of Misery.

 

[cdql]

I've heard the same thing about ob/gyn at my school. I guess they're just overworked constantly and they feel the need to take it out on med students.

 

[tupac_don]

LOVED my OBGYN residents. Good teachers, happy (though tired) people, very reasonable in their expectations of students. I think it depends a lot on the program.

Yea and you are a female aren't you. If you are a guy look out.

 

[automaton]

today i got called a slacker for checking email. w t f ?

 

[Sinnman]

Yup, OB/Gyn sucks. This is the only rotation that I really hate. It's very annoying to be this far in my education only to get treated like $#% just because of my gender.

 

[SLUser11]

You only had 2 weeks of OB?? How is that possible?

2 weeks OB, 2 weeks Gyn subspecialty (onc), 2 weeks gyn surgery.

It all sucked, but the OB weeks were by far the suckiest.

Did you have MORE than 2 weeks of catching babies?

 

[Dr. Will]

2 weeks OB, 2 weeks Gyn subspecialty (onc), 2 weeks gyn surgery.

It all sucked, but the OB weeks were by far the suckiest.

Did you have MORE than 2 weeks of catching babies?

I have 3 weeks, starting next week. My first 3 weeks were on GYN, which sucked anyways. 5 overnight (and I mean absolutely no sleeping calls) on OB.

 

[sophiejane]

2 weeks OB, 2 weeks Gyn subspecialty (onc), 2 weeks gyn surgery.

It all sucked, but the OB weeks were by far the suckiest.

Did you have MORE than 2 weeks of catching babies?

The residency I was at for OBGYN was organized in teams and we were part of the "team" (we were the lame part). We had a different schedule every day for 6 weeks: OR, L&D, clinic, or dysplasia clinic. They had night float so we had a week of nights on L&D. So I'd say about 1/3-1/2 of the rotation was L&D, but that was my favorite part, so I didn't mind.

 

[McGillGrad]

I was under the impression that attractive females had it the worst in OBGYN and agreeable males had relatively fair treatment.

 

[Entei]

I was under the impression that attractive females had it the worst in OBGYN and agreeable males had relatively fair treatment.

There is no escape. It's a bad rotation for everyone, everywhere.

 

[Back34]

E.R. residents are the craziest with no attention span.

 

[SLUser11]

I was under the impression that attractive females had it the worst in OBGYN and agreeable males had relatively fair treatment.

You're right....female OB residents (especially ugly ones) really tear into pretty girls......but at the end of the day, the young males get sh#t on the most.

 

[mysophobe]

Buy a good pancho (poncho??? 😕 ).

 

[deuist]

E.R. residents are the craziest with no attention span.

I believe that you are referring to this diagram:

 

[Back34]

I believe that you are referring to this diagram:

That's the one I was looking for!

 

[JaneDough]

I haaaated my OB/GYN rotation, and I love babies! I also liked all of the other rotations (including surgery). Nobody in my group liked OB/GYN. In fact, we emphatically hated it. I had never before and never since gotten a bad evaluation from a resident- a b1tch-face resident I only worked with once. Fortunately the dumb **** didn't hand it in on time and it didn't get put in my file.

 

[ss8508]

I believe that you are referring to this diagram:

This is just too good a description in such a small space.

 

[Blade28]

Psych. Then OB.

 

[Sammich81]

Wow! I thought it was just my school.

I love babies, I loved surgery, I even found stuff to like on psych.

OBGYN was the worst rotation ever and possibly worse than most of 2nd year misery. It was like you took the marginally attractive, meanest sorority at a college and made them doctors. They would sit in a little circle, play with each other's hair, and shop online (no kidding) at the work station, turn their backs to you and basically ignore the medical students. If I got asked one more time, "So...you want to deliver the placenta?" in a tone that implied it was a golden opportunity I was going to throw the placenta out the window. God help whoever is underneath. They didn't give you anything meaningful to do but like others have said, get pissy if you don't seem engaged.

I will say that the one saving grace is people who do urogynecology. They're more like urologists/other surgeons in their sense of humor. Probably a little more warm and fuzzy. My urogyn attending actually let me make incisions in the OR and assist in other small, harmless ways.

I'm a girl, and I would take the sexual inappropriateness and crudeness of any OR ten times over before I spend one more day on OB, so I shudder for all the men out there on OBGYN rotations. Thank God that's over.

 

[automaton]

OBGYN was the worst rotation ever and possibly worse than most of 2nd year misery.

They would sit in a little circle, play with each other's hair, and shop online (no kidding) at the work station, turn their backs to you and basically ignore the medical students.

They didn't give you anything meaningful to do but like others have said, get pissy if you don't seem engaged.

TRUTH.

nothing to do, slammed for not being interested (in what, doing nothing?), and ignored. i hear this from many people. weird bunch of people in OB. of course there are some that seem ok, but a whole lot are completely out of their minds.

 

[monkeyarms]

starting ob/gyn rotation monday. had a hunch, and have been forewarned by the classmates....but after reading this i'm really bracing myself!!!

oh by the way i voted ob residents craziest based on my brief exposure during nursery BEFORE reading this thread full of confirmatory remarks!

 

[Zuwie]

Since everyone here started Ob/Gyn bashing, I'll get in with the crowd. I am a male student and in my rotation, which thankfully is over next week, I often get reminded of this fact. Once I went into a room to get a patient's H&P and the nurse who was there said "Oh, she only wants to be seen by women!" Then the patient said "No, it's OK, I don't care." So the nurse, as it turned out, ASSUMED that the patient did not want to be seen by males, even though she never said so. Not only did the nurse not apologize, but she then proceeded to tell me not to ask the patient too many questions because "it would drive her crazy if the questions are asked over and over again"

Of course, that got me interested in going to Ob/Gyn...NOT!!!!!

 

[daisygirl]

Since everyone here started Ob/Gyn bashing, I'll get in with the crowd. I am a male student and in my rotation, which thankfully is over next week, I often get reminded of this fact. Once I went into a room to get a patient's H&P and the nurse who was there said "Oh, she only wants to be seen by women!" Then the patient said "No, it's OK, I don't care." So the nurse, as it turned out, ASSUMED that the patient did not want to be seen by males, even though she never said so. Not only did the nurse not apologize, but she then proceeded to tell me not to ask the patient too many questions because "it would drive her crazy if the questions are asked over and over again"

Of course, that got me interested in going to Ob/Gyn...NOT!!!!!

I found that the nurses were more malignant/crazier than the ob residents. I remember a nurse chewing into an ob intern so badly that the intern wound up crying over the incident. It was terrible. This particular intern was a sweetheart and the incident was completely uncalled for.

I couldn't stand the ob nurses. They are a vile bunch at my school. I also wasn't too fond of the midwives- also a pretty nasty group.

Overall I liked the majority of ob residents that I worked with.

 

[Sinnman]

I found that the nurses were more malignant/crazier than the ob residents. I remember a nurse chewing into an ob intern so badly that the intern wound up crying over the incident. It was terrible. This particular intern was a sweetheart and the incident was completely uncalled for.

I couldn't stand the ob nurses. They are a vile bunch at my school. I also wasn't too fond of the midwives- also a pretty nasty group.

Overall I liked the majority of ob residents that I worked with.

Very true!!! It's very obvious that a lot of the nurses feel that it is their duty to "protect" the patients from us. It's VERY frustrating, especially if you actually want to learn something. I'm not sure if they realize that we are going to be doctors and NEED to learn this. Somebody's got to take care of them later.

I left everyday physically sick from the way I was treated. I cannot express how angry it makes me to be paying $30,000 a year to learn medicine and to be blatantly discriminated against because of my gender and to be treated like a sexual predator.

 

[::Seabass::]

starting ob/gyn rotation monday. had a hunch, and have been forewarned by the classmates....but after reading this i'm really bracing myself!!!

oh by the way i voted ob residents craziest based on my brief exposure during nursery BEFORE reading this thread full of confirmatory remarks!

ahhhh! I start in a week and was already dreading it. why can't I be in the class behind me which will only get 6wks of ob/gyn instead of the 8wks I have to live through?!?!?!

 

[Dr. Will]

ahhhh! I start in a week and was already dreading it. why can't I be in the class behind me which will only get 6wks of ob/gyn instead of the 8wks I have to live through?!?!?!

Haha damn! You have to do 8 wks of it? Our clerkship director is trying to convince our school to increase it from 6 to 8 wks. I'm happy that it will never affect me.

 

[loveumms]

I agree 100% - my third year resident is NEVER around, and when he is he is telling us how useless we are (by making snide comments like, "the med students should be doing this or that" when we had no idea that whatever he was talking about even had to be done).

So, my poor intern is left doing ALL of the work on the floor and is often so stressed and tired that she doesn't have anything left for us. She always tells us to come in earlier, to do more and whatever we do it’s always wrong. I have basically decided that I don't care about my evaluation since I know that it’s not going to be good.

Some of the nurses on the rotation are real bit**es but others are quite pleasant and wonderful to work with. I have actually found that they are more fun to hang out with and learn from then anyone else. Same with the midwives ... of course there are some that are totally controlling and don't want you to even look at their patients but, I've found that if you are really nice to them and tell them how wonderful they are they are more likely to let you at least help them deliver. Whatever, I only have three more weeks left and I will NEVER look back. It's very sad though that this is the only glimpse we all get of the specialty and they make us feel so horrible about the profession that it's amazing that anyone goes into it. I certainly give those people a lot of credit and respect!

 

[fomites]

do you mean crazy as in ******ed or crazy as in psycho? 😀

uhhh, OB/GYN wins the trifecta for Crazy, ******ed, and Psycho.

The Bajingo service is uber toxic. You'll want to kill yourself when you're on it.

enjoy! It's a big fat slice of hell. 😱

 

[fomites]

Just curious. What makes the Ob/Gyn residents so malignant/bad?
Interestingly, this is not the first time I'm hearing this.

cuz deep down they are women haters, and they just pretend to be into "womens healthcare" and all that jazz. They think they have to have the 'masculine attributes" typically associated with real surgical specialties, and so they feel they have something to prove. That huge chip causes them to overcompensate and bitch out and rage at people, especially med students. The truth is, they are not really surgeons and have no understanding of meicine. They have been marginalized from both surgery and medicine, and thus are in their own sphere. I think they also tend to cycle together (what was that phenomenon called?) and sometimes it feels like a huge tidal wave of PMS is crashing down on your head. Don't worry, you'll survive the PMS Tsunamui. Just hold your breath, SAY NOTHING, always look at the floor, and never ever look them directly in the eye...it's like challenging a viper.

They are especially cruel and witchlike to female med students. I've seen it so many times. And I have never done so much truly bizarre scut as when I was on the bajingo ward. What the F^#&%#& is up with all the xeroxing and pre-op'ing? So much stupidity. I can handle most scut, cuz I'm a good scut monkey, but BAJINGO SCUT is outta this world and mind numbing.

enjoy...! 😀

 

[brightness]

WOW...
I totally thought that OB/GYN would be a specialty I would consider getting into. Are there any OB/GYN people on here who are pro-OBGYN or who have had positive experiences? From this thread it sounds terrible...but I guess that clinical rotations help you get experience and decide, correct?

 

[DarksideAllstar]

uhhh, OB/GYN wins the trifecta for Crazy, ******ed, and Psycho.

The Bajingo service is uber toxic. You'll want to kill yourself when you're on it.

enjoy! It's a big fat slice of hell. 😱

I did my OB rotation about 18 months ago and I still cringe whenever I think about it. A big fat slice of hell is an appropriate description.

 

[tiredmom]

WOW...
I totally thought that OB/GYN would be a specialty I would consider getting into. Are there any OB/GYN people on here who are pro-OBGYN or who have had positive experiences? From this thread it sounds terrible...but I guess that clinical rotations help you get experience and decide, correct?

I'm going into Ob. I did notice there were some difficult personalities, a real dichotomy in the residency program at my school. There are some really great people out there in ob, they are just over shadowed by the louder, more obnoxious folks y'all have written about. Something to think of though... many med students go into ob expecting it to be horrible. I think that starts you out on the wrong foot. Do you really want to spend time teaching people who are constantly griping about your hormones and about how they don't get fair treatment because they are guys or they are good-looking? There were people in my group who were totally bothered by things the ob residents did that were the SAME things the surgery residents did the month prior, but they somehow are worse because surgeons are *supposed to act that way*. OB historically was really male dominanted, in practice, it still is. However, 75% of the residents are now female. It's a specialty in transition. That also means inconsistency within the faculty and what is expected of the residents - often varying on a daily basis. It depends on who is in the program and what is tolerated. Ob is getting more competitive (24 empty spots after this year's match) - so hopefully this means programs can be more selective. I plan on being a resident that takes time to teach students - but I can definately see where its frustrating to have students not give two cents about your job and constantly criticizing your choice - like "not real surgeons" and "don't know medicine". I'm competitive for any field I'd want to go into... I'm choosing ob/gyn.

 

[fomites]

.... I can definately see where its frustrating to have students not give two cents about your job and constantly criticizing your choice - like "not real surgeons" and "don't know medicine". I'm competitive for any field I'd want to go into... I'm choosing ob/gyn.

ummm, ok. What I said is true though. OB/GYN's are neither surgeons nor internists. They are a hybrid of sorts caught somewhere in between the two specialties. They don't have the rigorous surgical training of a purely g-surg residency or a medicine residency. This is just fact.

Some/many OB/GYN's may be good at what they do, but I have never seen so many transected ureters and perfed bladders as when I was on my ob/gyn rotation. (and yeah, sure, I have seen g-surg disasters too.) But, I think there is something to be said for traditional surgical residencies and all the history and rigor and attention to detail associated with it. I think most people will agree that there is somthing fundamentally different about watching how gen surgeons and ob/gyn's operate. I am not trying to get you all worked up, but ob/gyn's seem less controlled, less confident, more spastic, less clean, moderately sterile, and their suturing looks like something my 10 yr old brother does to his shoelaces. And this is true of all the ob/gyn's I have seen, both men and women.

I wonder why gen surgeons can't subspecialize and do gyn surgery? Why does gyn surg have to be the purview of OB/GYN's? There might be better outcomes and better trained surgeons if you had to do a gen surg residency and then do gyn surgery. Maybe a 3+2 or 3+3 thing like plastics or urology. ? any thoughts?

((Oh, yeah, and maybe that would help make ob/gyn's a tad nicer because they would be respected)

 

[Leukocyte]

I wonder why gen surgeons can't subspecialize and do gyn surgery? Why does gyn surg have to be the purview of OB/GYN's?

For the same reason geneal Surgeons can't subspecialize in Spine (Orthopedics), Skull base surgery (ENT), Peds Neurosx, Urology...

General surgery is only that...general surgery.

There might be better outcomes and better trained surgeons if you had to do a gen surg residency and then do gyn surgery. Maybe a 3+2 or 3+3 thing like plastics or urology.

MOST Urologists, Orthopods only spend 1 year in GS, not 2/3 years.

I agree with you though, that Ob/Gyn residencies do not provide enough surgical training.