The three best NYC programs?

[Purulent DC]

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Would it be a stretch to say that SUNY Downstate, Jacobi, And St.Lukes/Roosevelt are among the top 3?

By best I'm not taking about length or lifestyle or prestige, but by overall reputation in terms of street cred. / walking out of the residency well-trained.

I realize that this is a subjective question, but that's why I asked it. I just looking for opinions because I don't know how to categorize/ differentiate all the NYC EM Programs from each other.

By comparison, I'd say the three "best" in Cali would be Highland, Davis, and USC/LA County. The best in Philly would be Temple, Cooper and Drexel. The best in Chicago would be Christ, Cook, and Univ. of Chicago. The best in the Southeast would be Carolinas, Orlando, and ?

Whadya think?

 

[sweetfynesse]

Its really hard to rank the programs in NYC because they have very different characteristics. Downstate is a classic county program. And I can tell you, anyone that finishes there is regarded as a great clinical EM physican. The resources suck, the ancillary staff is worst, but the residents see and do so much that they have to be good. Unfortunately, they don't get much teaching, so they learn by doing....and they do a lot. Now, it was mentioned that NYU is perhaps at the top--maybe depends on if we're merely talking reputation, and not confidence by there residents. While rotating at Downstate last year, there was a graduate from NYU attending and he/she lacked confidence in her training simply because he/she didnt see the breath of disease pathology and trauma during her residency training. But I'm sure in a couple years, it will come..

Anyway, I'm getting off task. But in terms of street cred, I would put Downstate, Jacobi, and NYU-Bellevue at the top in NYC. Again, it depends on what you're looking for because I, personally, didn't rank any of them near the top of my list...despite street cred.

 

[roja]

I would have to agree with the statement of personality being key. I am from the southwest and applied blind to all the programs in NYC not really knowing a whole lot about any of them. (other than what I found on Freida).

I think street cred depends on who you talk to. Being a resident at St. Lukes, and since this was my first choice, I am a little biased. I think it is the best but this is very dependent on personality as well.

I did a month at downstate and I agree whole heartedly with the statement that their residents come out trained exceptionally well. Their ancillary is the worst I have ever seen. Their patients are great with diverse pathology. The attendings are outstanding. But it is a very difficulty four years.

I think Lincoln medical has a similar reputation. Attendings that come out of there are amazing. But it's a hard 2-4 years.

I don't know a lot about NYU because I wasn't that interested, despite it's reputation.

I think NYP will end up being a good program but its new. I liked BI as well.

I ranked not on reputation but on where I though I would work well and get the best training, hence, why I am at SLR

 

[mountebank]

Street Cred, as you know changes for year to year.

NYC is a weird town, because its run by the 4-year institutions. The rest of the nation doesn't put up with that, but NYC does, so the majority of the attending throughout the city at teaching hospitals come for a 4 year residency program, and due to that people tend to think 4 year programs RULE the street. That being said, I've heard Jacobi (Bronx), Kings (Brooklyn), and Bellevue (Manhattan) are the best 4 year programs. They each have their own separate territories to rule and there's little overlap.

However as the rest of the nation continues to pressure EM residents to specialize i.e. "Are you going to do a fellowship?" I think NYC will have further difficulty in matching residents at 4-year programs and the 3 year programs will make their ways from the gutter to gain the valuable street cred. That's where the St.Lukes/Roosevelt, Methodists, Beth Isreal's come into play. I call these the 3-year Religious Gangs of New York.

In the end its all about where you want to learn and how you learn. Going to a place solely for their reputation is troublesome.
have fun on interviews, ask plenty of questions and do a couple of second looks.

Mounte - the ACE of spades

 

[SewerRat]

I'm from California so I don't know much about New York programs. What about the NY Presbyterian program??? I know it is new but how does it stack up with the others in the area?

 

[deleted6669]

what about bellevue? nyu affiliation. residency director is louis goldfrank, one of the founders and gods of em.....