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Which list looks stronger?

  • School A

    Votes: 28 28.9%

  • School B

    Votes: 70 72.2%
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I will reveal the school names after we get a non-biased poll. Which would you pick?

School A: Class size 58

ANESTHESIOLOGY (3)
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn – NY
-Thomas Jefferson University Hospital – PA
-University of Rochester/Strong Memorial Hospital – NY
DERMATOLOGY (2)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
EMERGENCY MEDICINE (6)
-Duke University Medical Center – NC
-Florida Hospital – Orlando – FL
-Maricopa Medical Center – AZ
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-NY Medical College – Metropolitan Hospital Center – NY
FAMILY MEDICINE (3)
-Einstein/Beth Israel Medical Center – NY (2)
-Williamsport Hospital – PA
INTERNAL MEDICINE (11)
-Albany Medical Center – NY
-Allegheny General Hospital – PA
-Case Western/MetroHealth Medical Center – OH
-Drexel University College Of Medicine/ Hahnemann University Hospital
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai – NY
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY
-St. Mary’s Medical Center -SF-CA
-St. Vincent Hospital – MA
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn –NY (2)
-University of Chicago Medical Center – IL
-Yale-New Haven Hospital – CT
MEDICINE PEDIATRICS (1)
-Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center – MI
OBSTETRICS & GYNECOLOGY (6)
-Kern Medical Center – CA
-Lankenau Hospital –PA
-New York Presbyterian Hospital -Weill Cornell Medical Center
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-Rochester General Hospital – NY
-Rutgers-New Jersey Medical School
OPHTHALMOLOGY (1)
-University of Virginia
PEDIATRICS (8)
-Baystate Medical Center – MA
-Children’s National Medical Center – DC
-Einstein/Jacobi Medical Center – NY
-Jackson Memorial Hospital – FL
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY (2)-Miami Children’s Hospital – FL
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-Tulane University School of Medicine – LA
-Winthrop- University Hospital – NY
PHYSICAL MEDICINE & REHABILITATION (1)
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
PSYCHIATRY (3)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY (2)
RADIOLOGY DIAGNOSTIC (1)
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai-NY
GENERAL SURGERY (4)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center -NY
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY
-SUNY Upstate Medical University
-University at Buffalo School of Medicine – NY
PLASTIC & RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY (1)
-University of North Carolina Hospitals
UROLOGY (1)
-University of Illinois College of Medicine – Chicago

School B: class size ~65

Anesthesiology (1)
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA
Anesthesiology PG2-4 (1)
Massachusetts General Hospital, MA
Dermatology (1)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
Emergency Medicine (7)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Darnall Army Medical Center, TX
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Staten Island University Hospital, NY
St. Luke’s –Bethlehem, PA
Texas A&M-Scott & White, TX
University of Virginia, VA
Family Medicine (6)
Brown Medical School/Memorial Hospital, RI
In His Image Family Medicine, OK
McLennan County Family Medicine, TX
Spartanburg Regional Healthcare, SC
University of California-Davis Medical Center, CA
Washington Hospital, PA
General Surgery (7)
Christiana Care, DE
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education, MN
North Shore-LIJ Health System, NY
SUNY HSC Brooklyn, NY
UPMC Mercy Hospital, PA
West Virginia University SOM, WV
Internal Medicine (16)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA (2)
Cooper University Hospital, NJ (2)
Georgetown University Hospital, DC
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Johns Hopkins/Bayview, MD
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
North Shore-LIJ Health System, PA
Rutgers-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, NJ
Temple University Hospital, PA
Thomas Jefferson University, PA
Winthrop University Hospital, NY
Wright Center, PA
Medicine-Pediatrics (1)
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System, VA
Medicine-Preliminary (5)
Exempla St. Joseph Hospital, CO
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA (2)
Lankenau Hospital, PA
St. Mary’s Hospital, CT
Neurological Surgery (2)
Brigham & Women’s Hospital, MA
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Obstetrics-Gynecology (1)
Albany Medical Center, NY
Ophthalmology (1)
SUNY Upstate, NY
Orthopaedic Surgery (2)
Summa Health/NEOMED, OH
University of Vermont/Fletcher Allen, VT
Pathology (1)
NYU School of Medicine, NY
Pediatrics (4)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Children’s Hospital –Boston, MA
Oregon Health & Science University, OR
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) (1)
University of Texas Medical Branch-Galveston, TX
Psychiatry (4)
Cambridge Health Alliance, MA
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
University of Arizona Affil Hospitals, AZ
University of Virginia, VA
Radiology-Diagnostic (4)
Albert Einstein Medical Center, PA
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, PA
Maimonides Medical Center, NY
University of South Florida COM-Tampa, FL
Radiology-Diagnostic/Peds Track (1)
Drexel University COM/Hahnemann University Hospital, PA
Radiation Oncology (1)
Medical College of Wisconsin Affil Hospital, WI
Surgery-Preliminary (3)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
Transitional (2)
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA (2)
 
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Can you help me interpret the list? I don't understand how to read it

I have no idea which of those programs are good, whether for clinical training, for research, for admin/mgt experience, for community outreach, for global health, for public health, or for education. So I don't know which school sent its students to better programs.
I have no idea if the students could have chosen "better" programs, and if they were influenced by factors besides the programs' prestige/academic qualities. So I don't know how to tell which med school is better, based on these lists from a single year.
I have no idea how these students chose their specialties - whether they were not good enough to get into ortho, or whether they just wanted to do something else with their lives.
 
Why even try? Seriously we try telling you this isn't important but you insist that it is anyway.

What it tells you that these students had the drive to pursue what they wanted. The school helped a bit, but ultimately, the students pushed to get the grades, the Step 1 scores, and the right connections.

We don't know why they chose where to go and what specialty they chose because it was their choice, not the school's (unless the school has a strict mission statement on placement of students.)
 
Are you still trying to find ways to justify attending a foreign school? Because that's Sackler's list above.

You can either listen to what's been told to you in the other threads, or you can keep banging your head against the wall. It's your future career. We're here to give advice, not validation.
 
No, I was trying to get legitimate feedback on a school that I am accepted to and one that I interviewed at. One seemed better despite common sdn rhetoric and I want to see where I'm missing something.

The bad school has nearly the same amount of derm matches as it does family medicine, IM matches at yale, uchicago, and mt sinai for one half + university program the other half, and academic urology and plastic surgery matches. I wanted to see why/how bad that program is. especially when it was a better fit regionally.

But thank you for ruining the one chance I had at getting non-biased feedback and bring your personal vendetta to a pre allo thread.
 
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I can't do much with a match list, but I can at least tell the difference between a top 25 school and a mid/low-tier school. I'm pretty certain that neither of these schools are top 25. Outside of that, I can't tell which school has a more impressive list, they seem on par with one another.
 
Shams al Deen said:
I can't do much with a match list, but I can at least tell the difference between a top 25 school and a mid/low-tier school. I'm pretty certain that neither of these schools are top 25. Outside of that, I can't tell which school has a more impressive list, they seem on par with one another.
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Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it. Btw, I may be thinking of another Shams but I think yours is the famous poet, no?
 
They are both somewhat comparable, with school B having an edge. That said you really shouldn't be making a decision based on these lists, since so many extraneous factors play into match lists outside of a school's reputation.

Looking at the number of derm/plastics/whatever matches is a fools errand since it can entirely depend on a school's year and student population. IM is probably the best to look at, but even then the reputation of IM programs can drop off precipitously after the top names, making it hard to compare most programs head to head.
 
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School B's is unquestionably the better match list for this given class and given year (and assuming similar rates of matching into their top 3), but not so much that you shouldn't go where you are happier. There is a clear bias in school a's against surgical subspecialties, though whether that is from the students or from the programs themselves one cannot say.
 
You can't read match lists because there's too many personal factors you'll never know. For example, if I match in the middle of my list, I think people would be more impressed than some of the programs I ranked higher. That isn't what the match is about.

At best, you might be able to draw conclusions or trends with multiple years of data.
 
It is impossible to evaluate this and draw any kind of useful information from it.

I would be more concerned with board passing rate, average step 1 score, failure rate, and tuition costs if it were me.
 
B kills A. By far. That's my opinion and ONLY my opinion. I won't bother explaining why because it's been mentioned above that there are too many factors that go into deciding match lists and outcomes. But in my opinion, A is not nearly as impressive to me as B.
 
So without cheating:

Looking at IM matches only, since A) That's what I know and B) It's a pretty good proxy for overall competitiveness since every school will have a good number of people doing IM every year... School B is stronger.

A has a mix of middle of the road university programs, some really crappy community programs, and one each for Yale and University of Chicago. You have to be careful looking at some of them, because (for example) Case Western/Metrohealth is not the actual case western program.

School B has a significantly larger proportion of university programs, and the community programs represented are generally better (Hopkins-Bayview and Cedars are two of the best community programs in the country). Unlike A, none of the programs stand out to me as really crappy, though I don't know all of the NY/NJ ones listed.

Now, using google fu:

A is Sackler
B is TCMC

Unless you have a burning desire to live in Israel for a few years (and I can see the temptation)... pick B man.
 
Raryn said:
So without cheating:

Looking at IM matches only, since A) That's what I know and B) It's a pretty good proxy for overall competitiveness since every school will have a good number of people doing IM every year... School B is stronger.

A has a mix of middle of the road university programs, some really crappy community programs, and one each for Yale and University of Chicago. You have to be careful looking at some of them, because (for example) Case Western/Metrohealth is not the actual case western program.

School B has a significantly larger proportion of university programs, and the community programs represented are generally better (Hopkins-Bayview and Cedars are two of the best community programs in the country). Unlike A, none of the programs stand out to me as really crappy, though I don't know all of the NY/NJ ones listed.

Now, using google fu:

A is Sackler
B is TCMC

Unless you have a burning desire to live in Israel for a few years (and I can see the temptation)... pick B man.
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Uhh not that I know where either of those two schools is. I can say from looking at the NON-IM that B is better.
 
This is silly.
Match lists aren't a good way to predict which school is "better" because there are way too many factors at play.
Give it a rest OP
 
caffeinemia said:
Uhh not that I know where either of those two schools is. I can say from looking at the NON-IM that B is better.
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A is a well-established international program in Israel that is run in conjunction with one of the SUNYs (I think) and is a very respectable program.
B is a relatively new MD granting school in PA. Looks like they've graduated 2 classes so far. Probably doesn't merit "ranking" among US MD schools given it's lack of history and (thus far) minimal research creds, but still an LCME accredited US institution.
 
Vain Brother said:
B has 8 prelims..
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(No offense) but this is why match lists are hard to read.

Per their website (and per the OP), B has 64 students. There are 72 matches listed there (if my quick adding is correct), 10 of which are prelim/ty. They listed some people twice, likely once for their prelim and once for their advanced program. At most, there's 2 people who got a PGY1 but not a PGY2 (which isn't unusual btw, a small fraction don't match at every school every year)
 
yeah i'm by no means an expert, i was just under the impression that a high number of prelims was a bad sign
 
Vain Brother said:
yeah i'm by no means an expert, i was just under the impression that a high number of prelims was a bad sign
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If they only match prelim. Most competitive non surgical specialties require a prelim, so if you only use the number of prelims as proxy, you'd be wildly incorrect.
 
Sephoraaa said:
No, I was trying to get legitimate feedback on a school that I am accepted to and one that I interviewed at. One seemed better despite common sdn rhetoric and I want to see where I'm missing something.

The bad school has nearly the same amount of derm matches as it does family medicine, IM matches at yale, uchicago, and mt sinai for one half + university program the other half, and academic urology and plastic surgery matches. I wanted to see why/how bad that program is. especially when it was a better fit regionally.

But thank you for ruining the one chance I had at getting non-biased feedback and bring your personal vendetta to a pre allo thread.
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as @Raryn proved, if I didn't do it, someone else would have.

Nothing that SouthernSurgeon or I have said hasn't been said to you on multiple occasions. Your goal seems to be not to get honest advice, but to phrase the question in enough ways that you eventually get the answer you want.

Pointing that out isn't a vendetta. (though a guy faukes mask would be cool)
 
Vain Brother said:
yeah i'm by no means an expert, i was just under the impression that a high number of prelims was a bad sign
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(Most) anesthesia, dermatology, neurology, ophthalmology, physical medicine and rehabilitation, radiation oncology, and radiology programs require you to also match into a prelim. There's a handful of the surgical subspecialties that occasionally require it as well.

Edit: (And of course, SouthernSurgeon beats me again)
 
SouthernSurgeon said:
Yup.

Rad-onc
Derm
PM&R
Neurology
Ophtho
anesthesia (sometimes)
Rads

I'm sure I'm missing some other fields. All those require a prelim year. A lot of schools list both the prelim and the advanced slot on their list. If the list is sorted by name that is more apparent.

A prelim year with no other match is bad. A prelim match if the person is going into one of these fields is good.
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Plus prelim spots themselves are another example of why it's hard to read lists. Often a prelim program in bumblefark is more competitive than an academic spot for a number of reasons (usually benefits to residents). One I know of provides housing for the residents for 80 bucks a month with free unlimited food. The categorical IM program will be all IMG, while the prelims will be guys who matched Ophtho and Derm at Mass Gen.
 
WingedOx said:
Plus prelim spots themselves are another example of why it's hard to read lists. Often a prelim program in bumblefark is more competitive than an academic spot for a number of reasons (usually benefits to residents). One I know of provides housing for the residents for 80 bucks a month with free unlimited food. The categorical IM program will be all IMG, while the prelims will be guys who matched Ophto and Derm at Mass Gen.
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TYs as well. There's an IM program in the same town as my med school that I'm pretty sure has never matched a categorical who went to school in this country (MD or DO) and yet their average TY they have there is someone who matched Dermatology at University of Chicago or Radiology at one of the Harvard programs. Every single person from my school who does their TY there is AOA. Why? Because on an average day, their residents are done at 1pm.
 
Raryn said:
TYs as well. There's an IM program in the same town as my med school that I'm pretty sure has never matched a categorical who went to school in this country (MD or DO) and yet their average TY they have there is someone who matched Dermatology at University of Chicago or Radiology at one of the Harvard programs. Every single person from my school who does their TY there is AOA. Why? Because on an average day, their residents are done at 1pm.
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Yeah, i was lumping the TYs in there too.
 
SouthernSurgeon said:
I added another factor to the regression model and increased the c-statistic from .72 to .74! Boo ya!

Coming soon to the journal of surgical research.
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Yo. Apparently ASA class 5 predicts mortality in surgery. NSQIP verified. Word.

Likewise wound class IV predicts surgical site infection!
 
Sephoraaa said:
I will reveal the school names after we get a non-biased poll. Which would you pick?

School A: Class size 58

ANESTHESIOLOGY (3)
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn – NY
-Thomas Jefferson University Hospital – PA
-University of Rochester/Strong Memorial Hospital – NY
DERMATOLOGY (2)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
EMERGENCY MEDICINE (6)
-Duke University Medical Center – NC
-Florida Hospital – Orlando – FL
-Maricopa Medical Center – AZ
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-NY Medical College – Metropolitan Hospital Center – NY
FAMILY MEDICINE (3)
-Einstein/Beth Israel Medical Center – NY (2)
-Williamsport Hospital – PA
INTERNAL MEDICINE (11)
-Albany Medical Center – NY
-Allegheny General Hospital – PA
-Case Western/MetroHealth Medical Center – OH
-Drexel University College Of Medicine/ Hahnemann University Hospital
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai – NY
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY
-St. Mary’s Medical Center -SF-CA
-St. Vincent Hospital – MA
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn –NY (2)
-University of Chicago Medical Center – IL
-Yale-New Haven Hospital – CT
MEDICINE PEDIATRICS (1)
-Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center – MI
OBSTETRICS & GYNECOLOGY (6)
-Kern Medical Center – CA
-Lankenau Hospital –PA
-New York Presbyterian Hospital -Weill Cornell Medical Center
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-Rochester General Hospital – NY
-Rutgers-New Jersey Medical School
OPHTHALMOLOGY (1)
-University of Virginia
PEDIATRICS (8)
-Baystate Medical Center – MA
-Children’s National Medical Center – DC
-Einstein/Jacobi Medical Center – NY
-Jackson Memorial Hospital – FL
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY (2)-Miami Children’s Hospital – FL
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-Tulane University School of Medicine – LA
-Winthrop- University Hospital – NY
PHYSICAL MEDICINE & REHABILITATION (1)
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
PSYCHIATRY (3)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY (2)
RADIOLOGY DIAGNOSTIC (1)
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai-NY
GENERAL SURGERY (4)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center -NY
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY
-SUNY Upstate Medical University
-University at Buffalo School of Medicine – NY
PLASTIC & RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY (1)
-University of North Carolina Hospitals
UROLOGY (1)
-University of Illinois College of Medicine – Chicago

School B: class size ~65

Anesthesiology (1)
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA
Anesthesiology PG2-4 (1)
Massachusetts General Hospital, MA
Dermatology (1)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
Emergency Medicine (7)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Darnall Army Medical Center, TX
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Staten Island University Hospital, NY
St. Luke’s –Bethlehem, PA
Texas A&M-Scott & White, TX
University of Virginia, VA
Family Medicine (6)
Brown Medical School/Memorial Hospital, RI
In His Image Family Medicine, OK
McLennan County Family Medicine, TX
Spartanburg Regional Healthcare, SC
University of California-Davis Medical Center, CA
Washington Hospital, PA
General Surgery (7)
Christiana Care, DE
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education, MN
North Shore-LIJ Health System, NY
SUNY HSC Brooklyn, NY
UPMC Mercy Hospital, PA
West Virginia University SOM, WV
Internal Medicine (16)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA (2)
Cooper University Hospital, NJ (2)
Georgetown University Hospital, DC
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Johns Hopkins/Bayview, MD
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
North Shore-LIJ Health System, PA
Rutgers-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, NJ
Temple University Hospital, PA
Thomas Jefferson University, PA
Winthrop University Hospital, NY
Wright Center, PA
Medicine-Pediatrics (1)
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System, VA
Medicine-Preliminary (5)
Exempla St. Joseph Hospital, CO
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA (2)
Lankenau Hospital, PA
St. Mary’s Hospital, CT
Neurological Surgery (2)
Brigham & Women’s Hospital, MA
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Obstetrics-Gynecology (1)
Albany Medical Center, NY
Ophthalmology (1)
SUNY Upstate, NY
Orthopaedic Surgery (2)
Summa Health/NEOMED, OH
University of Vermont/Fletcher Allen, VT
Pathology (1)
NYU School of Medicine, NY
Pediatrics (4)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Children’s Hospital –Boston, MA
Oregon Health & Science University, OR
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) (1)
University of Texas Medical Branch-Galveston, TX
Psychiatry (4)
Cambridge Health Alliance, MA
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
University of Arizona Affil Hospitals, AZ
University of Virginia, VA
Radiology-Diagnostic (4)
Albert Einstein Medical Center, PA
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, PA
Maimonides Medical Center, NY
University of South Florida COM-Tampa, FL
Radiology-Diagnostic/Peds Track (1)
Drexel University COM/Hahnemann University Hospital, PA
Radiation Oncology (1)
Medical College of Wisconsin Affil Hospital, WI
Surgery-Preliminary (3)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
Transitional (2)
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA (2)
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So...what are the schools?
 
All I can say is that neither is a strong Radiology list. But the n is very small.

I would agree with title though...the top residency programs don't always line up with the top med schools and it's different for every field. These match lists were Greek to me until I actually was interviewing at places.
 
Sackler is a very niche medical school - do you, the OP, believe in the State of Israel and all the baggage that comes with that? You'll have a great time if you do, but if you're not really used to Israeli culture, you'll have a bit of a shock if you don't have a strong identity to fall back on. that said, Tel Aviv is a very secular even compared to most US cities and mad liberal. It's hard to chose between Sackler MD v. DO... and I think most who go to Sackler (and those I know with a Sackler MD) have a strong identity as a Jew...

disclaimer: not Israeli, so shouldn't really be giving advice about living there
 
itsogre said:
Sackler is a very niche medical school - do you, the OP, believe in the State of Israel and all the baggage that comes with that? You'll have a great time if you do, but if you're not really used to Israeli culture, you'll have a bit of a shock if you don't have a strong identity to fall back on. that said, Tel Aviv is a very secular even compared to most US cities and mad liberal. It's hard to chose between Sackler MD v. DO... and I think most who go to Sackler (and those I know with a Sackler MD) have a strong identity as a Jew...

disclaimer: not Israeli, so shouldn't really be giving advice about living there
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SouthernSurgeon said:
I've been typing up a lot of manuscripts this week so I'm at like peak Mavis-Beacon levels.
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I mentioned Mavis Beacon to a friend the other day and got blank stares...it's sad to think she's not as big of a household staple as she used to be

😢
 
Raryn said:
A is a well-established international program in Israel that is run in conjunction with one of the SUNYs (I think) and is a very respectable program.
B is a relatively new MD granting school in PA. Looks like they've graduated 2 classes so far. Probably doesn't merit "ranking" among US MD schools given it's lack of history and (thus far) minimal research creds, but still an LCME accredited US institution.
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Sackler will always be an IMG producing program. On the other hand, TCMC will not forever be the new untested American program. 25 years from now, I would bet it'd be harder to get into TCMC than Sackler; for whatever that may be worth.
 
wowsers said:
I mentioned Mavis Beacon to a friend the other day and got blank stares...it's sad to think she's not as big of a household staple as she used to be

😢
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Don't feel too bad. The guy who created the program now has a giant mansion on the FL gulf coast, a couple doors down from Stephen King's winter home.
 
Sephoraaa said:
I will reveal the school names after we get a non-biased poll. Which would you pick?

School A: Class size 58

ANESTHESIOLOGY (3)
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn – NY
-Thomas Jefferson University Hospital – PA
-University of Rochester/Strong Memorial Hospital – NY
DERMATOLOGY (2)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
EMERGENCY MEDICINE (6)
-Duke University Medical Center – NC
-Florida Hospital – Orlando – FL
-Maricopa Medical Center – AZ
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-NY Medical College – Metropolitan Hospital Center – NY
FAMILY MEDICINE (3)
-Einstein/Beth Israel Medical Center – NY (2)
-Williamsport Hospital – PA
INTERNAL MEDICINE (11)
-Albany Medical Center – NY
-Allegheny General Hospital – PA
-Case Western/MetroHealth Medical Center – OH
-Drexel University College Of Medicine/ Hahnemann University Hospital
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai – NY
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY
-St. Mary’s Medical Center -SF-CA
-St. Vincent Hospital – MA
-SUNY Health Science Center Brooklyn –NY (2)
-University of Chicago Medical Center – IL
-Yale-New Haven Hospital – CT
MEDICINE PEDIATRICS (1)
-Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center – MI
OBSTETRICS & GYNECOLOGY (6)
-Kern Medical Center – CA
-Lankenau Hospital –PA
-New York Presbyterian Hospital -Weill Cornell Medical Center
-Newark Beth Israel Medical Center –NJ
-Rochester General Hospital – NY
-Rutgers-New Jersey Medical School
OPHTHALMOLOGY (1)
-University of Virginia
PEDIATRICS (8)
-Baystate Medical Center – MA
-Children’s National Medical Center – DC
-Einstein/Jacobi Medical Center – NY
-Jackson Memorial Hospital – FL
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY (2)-Miami Children’s Hospital – FL
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
-Tulane University School of Medicine – LA
-Winthrop- University Hospital – NY
PHYSICAL MEDICINE & REHABILITATION (1)
-North Shore-LIJ Health System – NY
PSYCHIATRY (3)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center – NY
-Emory University School of Medicine – GA
-Icahn School of Medicine St. Luke’s-Roosevelt – NY (2)
RADIOLOGY DIAGNOSTIC (1)
-Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai-NY
GENERAL SURGERY (4)
-Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center -NY
-Maimonides Medical Center – NY
-SUNY Upstate Medical University
-University at Buffalo School of Medicine – NY
PLASTIC & RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY (1)
-University of North Carolina Hospitals
UROLOGY (1)
-University of Illinois College of Medicine – Chicago

School B: class size ~65

Anesthesiology (1)
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA
Anesthesiology PG2-4 (1)
Massachusetts General Hospital, MA
Dermatology (1)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
Emergency Medicine (7)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Darnall Army Medical Center, TX
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Staten Island University Hospital, NY
St. Luke’s –Bethlehem, PA
Texas A&M-Scott & White, TX
University of Virginia, VA
Family Medicine (6)
Brown Medical School/Memorial Hospital, RI
In His Image Family Medicine, OK
McLennan County Family Medicine, TX
Spartanburg Regional Healthcare, SC
University of California-Davis Medical Center, CA
Washington Hospital, PA
General Surgery (7)
Christiana Care, DE
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education, MN
North Shore-LIJ Health System, NY
SUNY HSC Brooklyn, NY
UPMC Mercy Hospital, PA
West Virginia University SOM, WV
Internal Medicine (16)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, CA (2)
Cooper University Hospital, NJ (2)
Georgetown University Hospital, DC
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Johns Hopkins/Bayview, MD
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
North Shore-LIJ Health System, PA
Rutgers-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, NJ
Temple University Hospital, PA
Thomas Jefferson University, PA
Winthrop University Hospital, NY
Wright Center, PA
Medicine-Pediatrics (1)
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System, VA
Medicine-Preliminary (5)
Exempla St. Joseph Hospital, CO
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA (2)
Lankenau Hospital, PA
St. Mary’s Hospital, CT
Neurological Surgery (2)
Brigham & Women’s Hospital, MA
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Obstetrics-Gynecology (1)
Albany Medical Center, NY
Ophthalmology (1)
SUNY Upstate, NY
Orthopaedic Surgery (2)
Summa Health/NEOMED, OH
University of Vermont/Fletcher Allen, VT
Pathology (1)
NYU School of Medicine, NY
Pediatrics (4)
Carolinas Medical Center, NC
Case Western/University Hospital Case Medical Center, OH
Children’s Hospital –Boston, MA
Oregon Health & Science University, OR
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) (1)
University of Texas Medical Branch-Galveston, TX
Psychiatry (4)
Cambridge Health Alliance, MA
Cleveland Clinic Foundation, OH
University of Arizona Affil Hospitals, AZ
University of Virginia, VA
Radiology-Diagnostic (4)
Albert Einstein Medical Center, PA
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, PA
Maimonides Medical Center, NY
University of South Florida COM-Tampa, FL
Radiology-Diagnostic/Peds Track (1)
Drexel University COM/Hahnemann University Hospital, PA
Radiation Oncology (1)
Medical College of Wisconsin Affil Hospital, WI
Surgery-Preliminary (3)
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Hershey Medical Center/Penn State, PA
Medical University of South Carolina, SC
Transitional (2)
Lehigh Valley Hospital, PA (2)
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My university has sent quite a few students to Sackler and, to my knowledge, it is one of the highest regarded foreign schools. My pre-med adivser warned against the Caribbean and Eastern Europe but spoke highly of Sackler and the Atlantic Bridge Program (Ireland), in terms of residency match outcomes. It is obviously a very personal decision for you and you should do your proper research, but be wary of the "American Exceptionalism" that will affect the advice you will receive.

Good luck with whatever you choose!
 
Huh, well I got owned on this lol. I totally got tricked by the IM list of Case/Metro, the 2 Icahns, and the Yale for school A. I also didn't notice the less competitive community programs on there.
 
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