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[runnersfeet]

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Podiatrist take the EXACT same classes that cardiologists do up until their residency - do some research if you dont know that. I have no doubt that cardiologists are intelligent people...as are podiatrists...I did not say otherwise...re-read my post, maybe you will get it on your second try.

Cardiologists are board certified in both internal medicine and cardiology. They are some of the smartest people you will ever meet. Please do not compare a cardiologist to a podiatrist.

 

[dawg44]

Before I write this post I want to write a disclaimer this just a comparison I am not belittling the civil rights movement.

In the 1800s and early 1900s, black Americans were thought to be inferior to whites. Today these thoughts are seen as primitive and ignorant. But in an area like medicine, we still say that I am superior. I am the smartest. Only I am a doctor. That seems primitive and ignorant.

If you get a doctorate in 19th century literature and I get one in Victorian literature, would I claim that I am the only one w/ a doctorate in lit b/c everyone knows that the Victoria age is far superior?

when does the million podiatrist march start up?

 

[jonwill]

when does the million podiatrist march start up?

It's more like 15,000 (number of pods in the USA) podiatrist march

 

[billclinton]

Podiatrist take the EXACT same classes that cardiologists do up until their residency - do some research if you dont know that. I have no doubt that cardiologists are intelligent people...as are podiatrists...I did not say otherwise...re-read my post, maybe you will get it on your second try.

although at some schools, pods may take similar classes during the first 2 years, years 3 & 4 are drastically different. pods are not held up the same standards of excellance. comparing a pod to a cardiologist is like comparing a plumber to a vascular surgeon, lol. you guys are really too much.

 

[runnersfeet]

Wrong again - not similar classes, but the SAME classes and the SAME standard of excellence..by the way, genius, you spelled excellence wrong! Additionally, the pod students do most of the same rotations 3rd and 4th year as MDs...so again, you have some research to do. You really think that DPMs would be allowed to perform the surgeries they do without being held to the same standards as any other MD surgeon? you are hilarious....dumb, but funny.

although at some schools, pods may take similar classes during the first 2 years, years 3 & 4 are drastically different. pods are not held up the same standards of excellance. comparing a pod to a cardiologist is like comparing a plumber to a vascular surgeon, lol. you guys are really too much.

 

[capo]

although at some schools, pods may take similar classes during the first 2 years, years 3 & 4 are drastically different. pods are not held up the same standards of excellance. comparing a pod to a cardiologist is like comparing a plumber to a vascular surgeon, lol. you guys are really too much.

Yo bill, what's your interest in this forum if all you do here is defend MD's? You apparently think pods are beneath your royal dignity so why waste time here? Are you here to learn or contribute anything more than just dumb banter? Are you in a med school and if so, which?

Why don't you lie and tell us you had a 40 on your mcat's, at least a 5.0 gpa from Harvard undergrad and that you are tops in your class at Hopkins med?
At this point, perhaps some of your posts will develop "credibility". Care to take me up on the offer? 😀

 

[jonwill]

although at some schools, pods may take similar classes during the first 2 years, years 3 & 4 are drastically different. pods are not held up the same standards of excellance. comparing a pod to a cardiologist is like comparing a plumber to a vascular surgeon, lol. you guys are really too much.

Same standard of excellence (otherwise we wouldn't be the best at what we do ie specialist) but different specialty. You've got to understand, in an MD's 3-4th year, they learn a little about a lot (many different rotations) but are no where near competent in any of them (I would hardly call that excellent). They then proceed to specialize and forget almost everything they learned in year 3-4! They become competent in an area of medicine (just like a podiatrist). As far as everything else (admitting, rx writting, etc), there is no difference. Everybody stays within their scope of practice. I'm not sure how you imagine things to be, but that's the way it is.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

when does the million podiatrist march start up?

I've been working on it but I look like crap in a dashiki.

 

[jonwill]

I've been working on it but I look like crap in a dashiki.

I'd love to see you in one

 

[jonwill]

Hey Big Bill, why the degree sensitivity? I mean, if you don't consider podiatrists to be physicians, that's fine by me. I can still do my job regardless of what anybody thinks. But why does it really matter? Just curious.

 

[billclinton]

Yo bill, what's your interest in this forum if all you do here is defend MD's? You apparently think pods are beneath your royal dignity so why waste time here? Are you here to learn or contribute anything more than just dumb banter? Are you in a med school and if so, which?

Why don't you lie and tell us you had a 40 on your mcat's, at least a 5.0 gpa from Harvard undergrad and that you are tops in your class at Hopkins med?
At this point, perhaps some of your posts will develop "credibility". Care to take me up on the offer? 😀

i simply noticed that someone thought podiatrists are physicians. i thought this was funny and i hope to god that not all podiatrists think that because once you guys get out in the real world you will find that you are not considered to be physicians by the medical community nor are you considered to be physicians by the general public. If you actually tell someone this, you will be laughed at. I thought I would try and save you the embarrassment. This is not that big of a deal, only a difference in jargon.

One thing you might take notice of is that if someone rich or famous has any type of foot or ankle problems, they do not see a podatrist. They will see an orthopedic surgeon. If you are in an area with a lot of orthos, your practice will end up consisting of removing bunyons, corns, ingrown toenails, heel spurs, calluses, warts, and checking diabetic feet. You will probably also deal with some arch problems. I am speaking from experience. Good luck with that!

 

[JointDocMD]

Podiatrist take the EXACT same classes that cardiologists do up until their residency - do some research if you dont know that. I have no doubt that cardiologists are intelligent people...as are podiatrists...I did not say otherwise...re-read my post, maybe you will get it on your second try.

runnersfeet, i dont think YOU get it. jack bauer is saying that cardiologists go through much more than a podiatrist does BEFORE residency. he would be absolutely correct. to say otherwise is kidding yourself.

 

[dawg44]

i simply noticed that someone thought podiatrists are physicians. i thought this was funny and i hope to god that not all podiatrists think that because once you guys get out in the real world you will find that you are not considered to be physicians by the medical community nor are you considered to be physicians by the general public. If you actually tell someone this, you will be laughed at. I thought I would try and save you the embarrassment. This is not that big of a deal, only a difference in jargon.

One thing you might take notice of is that if someone rich or famous has any type of foot or ankle problems, they do not see a podatrist. They will see an orthopedic surgeon. If you are in an area with a lot of orthos, your practice will end up consisting of removing bunyons, corns, ingrown toenails, heel spurs, calluses, warts, and checking diabetic feet. You will probably also deal with some arch problems. I am speaking from experience. Good luck with that!

bunion

 

[runnersfeet]

HAHAHA, right...this is coming from someone who can't spell excellence...how embarrassing for Bill that someone so dumb is using his name! You are absolutely wrong, and I know first hand. Do you? No, you are speaking your opinion, which you are entitled to, but fact is that you are wrong. This country states that, legally, DPMs are physicians...just a fact, so get over it. You are the one being laughed at for being so out of the "know."

i simply noticed that someone thought podiatrists are physicians. i thought this was funny and i hope to god that not all podiatrists think that because once you guys get out in the real world you will find that you are not considered to be physicians by the medical community nor are you considered to be physicians by the general public. If you actually tell someone this, you will be laughed at. I thought I would try and save you the embarrassment. This is not that big of a deal, only a difference in jargon.

One thing you might take notice of is that if someone rich or famous has any type of foot or ankle problems, they do not see a podatrist. They will see an orthopedic surgeon. If you are in an area with a lot of orthos, your practice will end up consisting of removing bunyons, corns, ingrown toenails, heel spurs, calluses, warts, and checking diabetic feet. You will probably also deal with some arch problems. I am speaking from experience. Good luck with that!

 

[capo]

i simply noticed that someone thought podiatrists are physicians. i thought this was funny and i hope to god that not all podiatrists think that because once you guys get out in the real world you will find that you are not considered to be physicians by the medical community nor are you considered to be physicians by the general public. If you actually tell someone this, you will be laughed at. I thought I would try and save you the embarrassment. This is not that big of a deal, only a difference in jargon.

One thing you might take notice of is that if someone rich or famous has any type of foot or ankle problems, they do not see a podatrist. They will see an orthopedic surgeon. If you are in an area with a lot of orthos, your practice will end up consisting of removing bunyons, corns, ingrown toenails, heel spurs, calluses, warts, and checking diabetic feet. You will probably also deal with some arch problems. I am speaking from experience. Good luck with that!

bill, like Clinton himself -- semantics play a part in any business, right? Sex with Lewinsky was defined by Bill himself as, " I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... meaning, intercourse?

So... if a pod is looked upon as a doc by their patients (irregardless of whether or not YOU consider them one ) again, who cares what the real answer is. You are a healthcare provider not a label-conscious consumer, aren't you? Thus it is immaterial what the title is, the main focus AGAIN is to be a healthcare provider. Titles may vary but the mission does not.

PS - bill do a search of pods in ortho groups and you'll find them listed under "Our Physicians" yada, yada. You'll see names such as... Dr. Jones, MD - Dr. Smith, MD - Dr. Stevens, DPM, etc. Understand what I mean?

 

[runnersfeet]

Sorry, but that is where you are WRONG, just a fact. Do the research.

runnersfeet, i dont think YOU get it. jack bauer is saying that cardiologists go through much more than a podiatrist does BEFORE residency. he would be absolutely correct. to say otherwise is kidding yourself.

 

[IlizaRob]

Ok people, I dont think we can beat this horse any further. Nothing is being accomplished and the same 'ol insults and "Im better and smarter than you" comments will never cease. It is obvious that Bill is not going to change his mind about Pods not being physicians and the rest of the world is not going to change their mind about Pods being physicians, so lets just drop this and move on. Bill, just worry about getting into school and try to relieve your energy by kicking a tree or something instead. Do us all a favor.

 

[dawg44]

i simply noticed that someone thought podiatrists are physicians. i thought this was funny and i hope to god that not all podiatrists think that because once you guys get out in the real world you will find that you are not considered to be physicians by the medical community nor are you considered to be physicians by the general public. If you actually tell someone this, you will be laughed at. I thought I would try and save you the embarrassment. This is not that big of a deal, only a difference in jargon.

One thing you might take notice of is that if someone rich or famous has any type of foot or ankle problems, they do not see a podatrist. They will see an orthopedic surgeon. If you are in an area with a lot of orthos, your practice will end up consisting of removing bunyons, corns, ingrown toenails, heel spurs, calluses, warts, and checking diabetic feet. You will probably also deal with some arch problems. I am speaking from experience. Good luck with that!

As a ortho foot and ankle guy part of me hopes hes right, but he sure is looking along way down that nose of his.

 

[capo]

Ok people, I dont think we can beat this horse any further. Nothing is being accomplished and the same 'ol insults and "Im better and smarter than you" comments will never cease. It is obvious that Bill is not going to change his mind about Pods not being physicians and the rest of the world is not going to change their mind about Pods being physicians, so lets just drop this and move on. Bill, just worry about getting into school and try to relieve your energy by kicking a tree or something instead. Do us all a favor.

You're right, I'm through arguing with *****s like bill.. I'm going to workout and do something constructive instead of gaining weight behind a keypad.

 

[capo]

As a ortho foot and ankle guy part of me hopes hes right, but he sure is looking along way down that nose of his.

dawg, with his attitude he won't have any easy course. I'm sure this 'tude will run him aground with administrators and faculty, etc. At that point, that'll show his insubordinate or better put, haughty demeanor. You catch more flies with honey and he has yet to learn this, being an obvious rookie to how to have tact in dealing with people let alone patients.

 

[JohnfootDr]

#1. My Degree (from an Allopathic Medical School and Podiatry School) reads Doctor of Podiatric Medicine.

#2. My DEA reads Practitioner (same as MD/DO).

#3. My State License Reads "Doctor of Podiatric Medicine".


Of course, BullClinton must be correct as he is on track to get a degree as a Cardiologist. 😕

 

[IlizaRob]

Bill, I noticed you placed a poll in the General Residency forum about pods being physicians. Do you honestly think that you will get an unbiased result on SDN? It doesnt matter. The only definition of Physician that really matters is the one defined by the governing bodies of state and nation. Not the 1980s volume of encyclopedia britanica.

 

[capo]

#1. My Degree (from an Allopathic Medical School and Podiatry School) reads Doctor of Podiatric Medicine.

#2. My DEA reads Practitioner (same as MD/DO).

#3. My State License Reads "Doctor of Podiatric Medicine".


Of course, BullClinton must be correct as he is on track to get a degree as a Cardiologist. 😕

You need heart tests run -- see bill, oops he's busy right now with his nurse.

 

[dawg44]

semantics
It comes and goes with the board scores debates, GPA's and MCATs and schools. I've never had a patient ask me what I got on my OITEs, but I have had them ask "Are you old enough to be a doctor?" As an ortho foot and ankle guy I will work with podiatrists in the community and eventually employ one as well. I just hope he works hard and isn't a dick, the rest will work itself out.

 

[capo]

semantics
It comes and goes with the board scores debates, GPA's and MCATs and schools. I've never had a patient ask me what I got on my OITEs, but I have had them ask "Are you old enough to be a doctor?" As an ortho foot and ankle guy I will work with podiatrists in the community and eventually employ one as well. I just hope he works hard and isn't a dick, the rest will work itself out.

dawg, I'm glad you're sensible. I wish you the best and hope to join your ortho group someday. Haha. Remember me. 😉

 

[yomama]

hello there, I am an MD surgical resident...I work in a well known hospital in a large city...EVERYONE I know and have run into, at least all who have a clue, know - not think - but know that DPMs are physicians and are capable and well educated...all the DPMs I know around here are absolutely as respected as an ortho who specializes in foot and ankle. So, rest assure - you will all be fine out there, keep defending your profession...it is good to be passionate about what you do. You wont even need to defend it for long because people will realize on their own once they get out into the world of medicine.

 

[dawg44]

..all the DPMs I know around here are absolutely as respected as an ortho who specializes in foot and ankle.

Lets not get carried away. The next thing you'll say is women should have the right to vote.

 

[SuperFly123]

I agree with Murray Butler. Podiatry students go to podiatry school not medical school.

Although some of you may call me a traitor, I don't see the problem. Dentists went to Dental school just as we went to Podiatry school. The dental students aren't listed under medical school and we shouldn't be listed there either. I don't want you guys to think I'm agreeing with ignorant pricks such as the billclinton guy that posted there (who I feel will probably be at the very bottom of his class and hears how worthless he is from all of his classmates every day of his life so he has to pick on someone), but I really don't see what the big deal is. I made well about a 25 on my MCAT, and had well above a 3.0 GPA and got into a med school, but chose not to attend because I wanted to be a podiatrist. But I knew I was going to Podiatry school, not medical school. Remember, don't let the name fool you though, its every bit as hard. The people I know in med school have seen our tests and totally agree.

 

[yomama]

Sorry man, its not up to you to have a say - it is just a fact...it is Podiatric Medical School, or College/School of Podiatric Medicine....thats just the way it is, they are doctors of podiatric medicine...and they went to medical school, one that specializes in podiatry, no other way to put it.

I agree with Murray Butler. Podiatry students go to podiatry school not medical school.

 

[SuperFly123]

I'm sure many of you scored quite well on your MCATS, but as a recent post showed, the average matriculant has an MCAT score of 21. The average med school matriculant (allopathic schools) has a score of 30 with a STD of 6ish. That puts the average podiatry applicant in the bottom quartile of med students so simply going off MCATs, the majority of podiatry students wouldn't have made it to medical school (statistically).

And don't compare scores b/c many of us scored well above your claims. And so of us choose podiatry over DO/MD programs.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Lets not get carried away. The next thing you'll say is women should have the right to vote.

This made me laugh a lot.

 

[yomama]

Doesn't mean they would not have made it through allopathic school...they are in medical school. There is no one who can argue that the demand to get into an MD or DO program isn't much higher than that to get into podiatric medical school - that is just the way it is....that is what accounts for the need to have higher test scores for an MD/DO program. This does not mean that pod medical school is any easier to get through and graduate from...just easier to get in to. no big deal, just the way it is.

I'm sure many of you scored quite well on your MCATS, but as a recent post showed, the average matriculant has an MCAT score of 21. The average med school matriculant (allopathic schools) has a score of 30 with a STD of 6ish. That puts the average podiatry applicant in the bottom quartile of med students so simply going off MCATs, the majority of podiatry students wouldn't have made it to medical school (statistically).

 

[SuperFly123]

Podiatrist take the EXACT same classes that cardiologists do up until their residency - do some research if you dont know that. I have no doubt that cardiologists are intelligent people...as are podiatrists...I did not say otherwise...re-read my post, maybe you will get it on your second try.

This is not true. I know people at DMU take the same classes as DO students, but this is not universal. The third and fourth year curriculum at all DPM schools is not identical to medical schools.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Again, I think that the pre-pod forum should be under the pre-medical heading. It will get more info out about podiatry so ignorance like this goes away. Also I don't see national allopathic or osteopathic organizations sponsoring the site and guess what money talks.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

This is not true. I know people at DMU take the same classes as DO students, but this is not universal. The third and fourth year curriculum at all DPM schools is not identical to medical schools.

I agree with the 3rd year. The fourth year we do core rotations that are very similar to the DOs. But think about this, people keep saying that DO/MD programs hold you to a higher standard in the 3rd/4th year, but a MD/DO programs are general they specialize after the 4th year. Pods specialize after the 2nd year. Who is held to a higher standard, a generalized education or a specified education?

 

[runnersfeet]

Pod students do the exact same amount of work that cardiologists or any other MD/DO does while in training...yes, the 3rd and 4th year differ slightly because pod students do longer rotations that specialize in the lower extremity...however, they also do most of the same rotations that MD/DOs do - so the work load is identical, though the material differs! You can not argue, with any validity, that a pod student does less work in medical school than an MD/DO student does who then goes into cardiology - look at the curriculum yourself.

This is not true. I know people at DMU take the same classes as DO students, but this is not universal. The third and fourth year curriculum at all DPM schools is not identical to medical schools.

 

[jonwill]

hello there, I am an MD surgical resident...I work in a well known hospital in a large city...EVERYONE I know and have run into, at least all who have a clue, know - not think - but know that DPMs are physicians and are capable and well educated...all the DPMs I know around here are absolutely as respected as an ortho who specializes in foot and ankle. So, rest assure - you will all be fine out there, keep defending your profession...it is good to be passionate about what you do. You wont even need to defend it for long because people will realize on their own once they get out into the world of medicine.

Gee, where is good old Bill now?

 

[SuperFly123]

Pod students do the exact same amount of work that cardiologists or any other MD/DO does while in training...yes, the 3rd and 4th year differ slightly because pod students do longer rotations that specialize in the lower extremity...however, they also do most of the same rotations that MD/DOs do - so the work load is identical, though the material differs! You can not argue, with any validity, that a pod student does less work in medical school than an MD/DO student does who then goes into cardiology - look at the curriculum yourself.

I never said podiatry students don't do as much work - I said the work/curriculum is different. I'm sure they work just as hard as medical students, but they don't do the same thing as medical students (their focus is different). Your earlier posts suggested the curriculum/classes are identical which we all know isn't true because obviously podiatrists focus on the lower extremity.

 

[capo]

Sorry man, its not up to you to have a say - it is just a fact...it is Podiatric Medical School, or College/School of Podiatric Medicine....thats just the way it is, they are doctors of podiatric medicine...and they went to medical school, one that specializes in podiatry, no other way to put it.

Exactly. Whether it's Osteopathic Medical School, Podiatric Medical School or Johns Hopkins School Of Medicine, it's still called some type of -- MEDICAL school! 👍

It's NOT, Vet school or Dental school or PA school or PT school... you get the point.

This coming from, yomama, an ortho surgeon as well. Thanks dude, for your insight to help straighten things out around here. 🙂

 

[billclinton]

Gee, where is good old Bill now?

yo's ip address is not unique. in other words, he/she is a fraud. one of you guys. as you can see by the poll, if you take out your guys votes, 100% of people think that podiatrists are not physicians. sorry to break your heart, lol 😛

 

[billclinton]

Pod students do the exact same amount of work that cardiologists or any other MD/DO does while in training...yes, the 3rd and 4th year differ slightly because pod students do longer rotations that specialize in the lower extremity...however, they also do most of the same rotations that MD/DOs do - so the work load is identical, though the material differs! You can not argue, with any validity, that a pod student does less work in medical school than an MD/DO student does who then goes into cardiology - look at the curriculum yourself.

you will get laughed at so hard if you ever tell anybody that. first of all, this isn't even close to be true. pod students on avg are not as good students as medical students. i'm not talking about how good of podiatrists they will be or how good people they will be, but if you look at the admissions stats for the avg pod student, their avg MCAT and gpa are standard deviations below that of medical students. the only similarity in training is a handful of classes, but they do not sit for the same board exams and are not held to same level of excellence. these are not my opinions, but facts. if you ask any MD (as shown in the general residency forum) or the general public, they will tell you things. if you guys say some of these things in public you will be laughed at.

to compare yourself to a cardiologist would be like a high school student body president saying he has the same qualifications of the president of the united states.

 

[IlizaRob]

you will get laughed at so hard if you ever tell anybody that. first of all, this isn't even close to be true. pod students on avg are not as good students as medical students. i'm not talking about how good of podiatrists they will be or how good people they will be, but if you look at the admissions stats for the avg pod student, their avg MCAT and gpa are standard deviations below that of medical students. the only similarity in training is a handful of classes, but they do not sit for the same board exams and are not held to same level of excellence. these are not my opinions, but facts. if you ask any MD (as shown in the general residency forum) or the general public, they will tell you things. if you guys say some of these things in public you will be laughed at.

to compare yourself to a cardiologist would be like a high school student body president saying he has the same qualifications of the president of the united states.

Bill, your analagies are offensive and disrepectful. If you cant post objectively, please leave this forum. You claim that all SDNers who said pods were physicians in your poll are pods. Im sure it wouldnt matter if it was 75% yes, 25% no. You would still say the same thing. You claim that Yo's IP address is not unique. I wasnt aware that you had access to anyones IP address. So tell us who the real Yo is. It wouldnt matter if 10 MDs came into this forum to combat your biased claims. You would still say they were all imposters. Please, if you wont post objectively, dont post at all. You have nothing intelligent to offer here.

 

[OOK]

knock on me all you want, it will get you no where. you will still be in podiatry school and no where close ever being a physician. you will be podiatrists that treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle... and nothing more. as much as you wish it to be true, you are not in medical school and probably will never be. some of you chose podiatry school over medical school, but most chose after realizing your dreams of medical school will never be realized. you can talk about how you have the same training and can do the same things as MDs and DOs... but guess what, that is BS. Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

you can talk about students who get into medical school with lower than 30 and lower than 3.5 gpa, but it is relatively uncommon. the avg for MD school is 30 and 3.6. For DO schools the avg is around 25, 3.3. You may say this means nothing and your patients will never care... which you are partartially right. Patients will probably never ask, but they do want a competent person to be their doc and this is the reasons the standards for medical schools are higher than podiatry school. you can complain all you want, this is the truth.

I am not part of that stupid discussion. But, you some thing that is pretty amazing about treating medical conditions of the foot. can someone treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle if s/he hasn't been in med school. you get it all confused. However, I like your determination yto get a profession down. but the truth is the profession is going up and 10 years from now you won't have a similar discussion about podiatry. It was the same with DO. Therefore guys, there si no reason to get defensive. let your work and professionalism speak for you.
I think you need to learn to appreciate others if you want to be a physician. and finally, ask your professors to define medicine for you.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I am not part of that stupid discussion. But, you some thing that is pretty amazing about treating medical conditions of the foot. can someone treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle if s/he hasn't been in med school. you get it all confused. However, I like your determination yto get a profession down. but the truth is the profession is going up and 10 years from now you won't have a similar discussion about podiatry. It was the same with DO. Therefore guys, there si no reason to get defensive. let your work and professionalism speak for you.
I think you need to learn to appreciate others if you want to be a physician. and finally, ask your professors to define medicine for you.

Well said. Back to the subject at hand. I'm sending a message to the moderators to ask the pre-pod forum have a link included in the pre-medical area. If anyone else would like to see this please do the same.

 

[yomama]

Fraud huh? You tell that to the school where I graduated from...one of the most prestigous in the country...heard of Stanford? no? You will not survive in the medical community, at least not successfully, with your attitude. I work with and am friends with many DPMs, all of whom are just as smart as any MD here...they are all considered physicians here and actually, they can - legally - take other ortho cases that come into the hospital..not just foot and ankle...as they learn it all in MEDICAL school. Get a clue! Im done discussing this issue, it is what it is...DPMs went to med school, earned a degree, and are physicians no less so than an MD is - they are incredibly well respected in the real world...maybe not as much so by the older folks, but those guys will die off🙂 Bill, stop talking from your ass, you know nothing ...with the claims you make, I can highly doubt you have had any medical education. To you pods and future pods, you have a great future...I know many DPMs who are just out of school and in their residency and they are doing really really well and loving it!!

you will get laughed at so hard if you ever tell anybody that. first of all, this isn't even close to be true. pod students on avg are not as good students as medical students. i'm not talking about how good of podiatrists they will be or how good people they will be, but if you look at the admissions stats for the avg pod student, their avg MCAT and gpa are standard deviations below that of medical students. the only similarity in training is a handful of classes, but they do not sit for the same board exams and are not held to same level of excellence. these are not my opinions, but facts. if you ask any MD (as shown in the general residency forum) or the general public, they will tell you things. if you guys say some of these things in public you will be laughed at.

to compare yourself to a cardiologist would be like a high school student body president saying he has the same qualifications of the president of the united states.

 

[JointDocMD]

Fraud huh? You tell that to the school where I graduated from...one of the most prestigous in the country...heard of Stanford? no? You will not survive in the medical community, at least not successfully, with your attitude. I work with and am friends with many DPMs, all of whom are just as smart as any MD here...they are all considered physicians here and actually, they can - legally - take other ortho cases that come into the hospital..not just foot and ankle...as they learn it all in MEDICAL school. Get a clue! Im done discussing this issue, it is what it is...DPMs went to med school, earned a degree, and are physicians no less so than an MD is - they are incredibly well respected in the real world...maybe not as much so by the older folks, but those guys will die off🙂 Bill, stop talking from your ass, you know nothing ...with the claims you make, I can highly doubt you have had any medical education. To you pods and future pods, you have a great future...I know many DPMs who are just out of school and in their residency and they are doing really really well and loving it!!

just because you went to stanford does not mean that your opinion overrides the opinion of other MDs. you criticize bill for being an ass, and yet with your post you come off no better than he did.

i agree with supafly...

MD/DO = medical school
DPM= podiatric medical school

splitting hairs? maybe. however lots of undergrad students work their ass off to get into an MD program, while they could have gotten into a podiatric medical school with little to no effort. i think this petty BS will end when podiatric med school stops accepting those w/ 18 MCAT or those that received a 2 on their physical science sections.

some people claim that their students are just as smart as medical students.....and i claim BS. if they were, they would show it on their tests.

 

[MurrayButler]

Doesn't mean they would not have made it through allopathic school...they are in medical school. There is no one who can argue that the demand to get into an MD or DO program isn't much higher than that to get into podiatric medical school - that is just the way it is....that is what accounts for the need to have higher test scores for an MD/DO program. This does not mean that pod medical school is any easier to get through and graduate from...just easier to get in to. no big deal, just the way it is.

Before you agree with me, check my other posts, and don't take them out of context please. I know that pods are considered physicians, and those who don't are, in my opinion, ignorant about how well trained we are to do what we do. Also, if you look at my previous posts you will also see that I think podiatry school is EVERY BIT as hard as Medical school. I was simply saying I didn't mind if we were listed under the Medical school forum. Our own forum gives us a little character I think!

P.S. - Also superfly, Scholl students take classes with the MD students. So maybe its not universal, but it is more common than you think.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Before you agree with me, check my other posts, and don't take them out of context please. I know that pods are considered physicians, and those who don't are, in my opinion, ignorant about how well trained we are to do what we do. Also, if you look at my previous posts you will also see that I think podiatry school is EVERY BIT as hard as Medical school. I was simply saying I didn't mind if we were listed under the Medical school forum. Our own forum gives us a little character I think!

P.S. - Also superfly, Scholl students take classes with the MD students. So maybe its not universal, but it is more common than you think.

Murray, I think you are mistaken. Yomama is the one agreeing with us that pod schools are medical schools and pods are physicians. It is will and the fly that are disagreeing.

 

[IlizaRob]

just because you went to stanford does not mean that your opinion overrides the opinion of other MDs. you criticize bill for being an ass, and yet with your post you come off no better than he did.

i agree with supafly...

MD/DO = medical school
DPM= podiatric medical school

splitting hairs? maybe. however lots of undergrad students work their ass off to get into an MD program, while they could have gotten into a podiatric medical school with little to no effort. i think this petty BS will end when podiatric med school stops accepting those w/ 18 MCAT or those that received a 2 on their physical science sections.

some people claim that their students are just as smart as medical students.....and i claim BS. if they were, they would show it on their tests.

That is a perfectly fine distinction. Because there is a stronger emphasis on the lower extremity, I believe it would be more proper to say podiatric medical school. Since we learn about the physiology and pathology of the whole body and also rotate through various medical specialties, it would make sense that podiatry school is a form of medical school. Is everyone ok with podiatric medical school? Good. Lets end this conversation. Yomama, Im glad to see that you have a good repor with the pod residents at your hospital. I know that the uneducated are most commonly the loudest. Because the education of podiatrists has changed so much in the last 10 years, I dont blame some of the old docs for raising an eyebrow because of what the education used to be like. Things have changed drastically, and with time Im sure that most will see the extensive training today's graduating podiatrists have and this topic will eventually subside on SDN.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Hey Jointdocmd, you had better be a little more respectful to an actual orthopod. With your attitude you’re gonna be elbow deep in a fat nasty chick’s vagina digging out her lost cell phone. And the only time you’ll get into a surgical ward is to ask yomama if you could see what it is little to be a surgeon. I’m glad you are in an MD program but you sound like an ass when you try to cut on MDs that are practicing medicine in a specialty area that you are trying to enter. (I assume joint doc means you want to be an orthopod)