Third fellowship ideas, am I crazy?

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dermpathdude

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Doing dermpath and hemepath at a top institution. Seeing as those are two very saturated fields right now I am worried about getting a good job. I'm wondering about applying to a third fellowship. Any recommendations on what would be desirable to practices in addition to my two fellowships? I enjoy a lot of subspecialties. I was thinking Molecular, GI, Cyto?? Or am I just being masochistic and paranoid? I don't want to forget all I learned from my first fellowship by the time I'm done with a third.
 
Dermpathdude- From what I'm hearing dermpath is indeed very tight (I've heard this from both dermatologist and pathologist dermpaths). I could be wrong based on sampling error but hemepath seems better, particularly if you're also a good general surgical pathologist. The caveat here is I've been out in practice for a long time and although I have academic and private connections I may be less informed than some others.
 
What are your career goals? If you want an academic track, adding molecular to the mix wouldn't hurt. For community path, I wonder if groups would be cautious to hire someone who'd done three fellowships ('does this guy/gal know what they want to do it life?') and would suggest it may be a hindrance more than a help.
 
I recommend a year of Surg path. I would be very reluctant to hire a pathologist who hadn't done considerable general Surg path for a whole two years or more.
 
What are your career goals? If you want an academic track, adding molecular to the mix wouldn't hurt. For community path, I wonder if groups would be cautious to hire someone who'd done three fellowships ('does this guy/gal know what they want to do it life?') and would suggest it may be a hindrance more than a help.
This would have raised my/our hiring antennae when I was a PP partner.
 
I recommend a year of Surg path. I would be very reluctant to hire a pathologist who hadn't done considerable general Surg path for a whole two years or more.

I would recommend a JOB--pretty much any job rather than the prolonged adolescence you contemplate. I may be WAY out of date but I will take the person with MINIMAL post training experience who has
Affability, Availability and Ability (don't need to be Rosai) over today's uncertain, unsure and insecure products of our system who have zero clinical background and no independent pathology sign out experience.
 
Yes, you are crazy.

You are still a resident and have lined up two competitive, yet totally unrelated sub specialty fellowships. Why? They are at top places as well? Here's a tip- worry about a second (let alone third) fellowship when you cannot secure employment, not before.
 
As a dermatopathologit with 20 years of experience who is having trouble finding a job....get out there and work as a locums or something....you need job experience and the current job market for both of your specialities is very tight....
 
I was thinking if I'm not looking and don't find a job at a practice right off the bat, I'd look for a junior faculty/instructor position somewhere to get my feet wet with real attending responsibility; I'd try to signout a variety of surg path while keeping up heme and dermpath if I'm able. I'm really pushing to be well-rounded rather than pidgeon-hole myself into only being able to do one thing.
 
I have to agree that dermpath and hemepath is a very unusual combination. Not to bum you out, but you should know this. Have staff at your institution mentioned this to you?
 
I have to agree that dermpath and hemepath is a very unusual combination. Not to bum you out, but you should know this. Have staff at your institution mentioned this to you?

They were my favorite specialties and ones I found most challenging.
 
Have you tried looking for a job yet? Are you willing to do general surg path with a little derm/hemepath mixed in or are you interested only in positions that will allow you to do full-time dermpath and/or hemepath? I ask because we (large private practice group) have been looking, on-and-off, for a pathologist with dermpath training who is willing to do general surg path sign out. We don't have a lot of derm (maybe 4K cases out of 60K total last year) but often have to send out some of what we do get. We have not had any luck finding someone who's willing to do mostly general surg path with a minor emphasis on derm.
 
Absolutely I'm willing to do a wide range of pathology. I'm comfortable with frozens, head/neck, cytology, GI, G/U, etc. I realize that doing only one thing is probably a pipe-dream. And I wouldn't want to do only one thing forever anyway. I genuinely enjoy looking at slides from all parts of the body to keep fresh (except brain, neuropath I probably would opt out of). In the right job situation I'd be willing to do autopsy if techs were provided to help eviscerate quickly. I'm doing these two fellowships to strengthen my marketability in addition to my general surg path skills. On the surface , derm and heme may seem to exist on separate planes of existence, but there are a lot of clinical and histologic overlaps (not just cutaneous lymphomas), plus it's boardable which may or may not mean anything to anybody. On that note, what other fellowship would be an appropriate combo with derm? Surg path? Other than soft tissue, vulvar GYN, and some superficial head/neck stuff there isn't a lot of intersection other than having diversified skills in addition to dermpath for a large practice of course. I could name almost any fellowship and someone would say its a strange complement to dermpath ie. cyto/derm, GI/derm, transfusion/derm. For many people, they have to delay a start to dermpath fellowship because there is sometimes a 3-year wait, so you gotta do SOMETHING in that gap year, why not choose another favorite. Furthermore, almost everyone in my class and in recent years is doing two. When it came down to it, I decided on hemepath as a second year because I really liked it, plus I have a special place in my heart for Wright stains.
To answer your question smallcat, I haven't started the job search yet, just tapping into general sentiments and polling the blog. I start fellowship in July, so may not be in your immediate timeline for your practice needs, but feel free to private message me if you want to chat more! I'm flexible geographically, looking in west coast, midwest, southwest, southeast. Will probably call around to cities in these places once I start fellowship to see what places could possibly use me in a year or two. Maybe one of my mentors will be able to connect me, who knows?? I'm jealous of my clinical friends who get daily emails offering them jobs. I was having a beer with an ENT resident friend who said he already has job contract lined up for 2016; I switched to bourbon.
Thanks to everyone who has given their input thus far! I opened myself to this, so please feel free to blast me! I'd rather be hardened and calloused to the coming pain of the Pathology job market than soft with a spirit that is easily broken.
 
For community practice, I would discourage another fellowship. You will learn orders of magnitude more working for that year, and the opportunity cost to stay in training is tremendous. New graduates are timid enough, and I would hesitate to hire someone who felt that they needed to do a third fellowship before they could go out on their own. I actually can't think of a single solid reason to do another fellowship if you've already done heme and derm. I can't speak for academics.
 
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you tell yourself you need to do more fellowships to get a job, that you're worried you can't get a job so it might be best to go after another fellowship so you can get a better fellowship, etc. It's not that productive. After 2 fellowships unless there is some specific reason you need to do another one (like the one you really want was unavailable, you changed your mind, whatever) there is little utility to doing that. Sure, it is probably easier to find another fellowship than to look for a real job, but is the extra year really going to change that? You might be one of the people who lands a job 18 months ahead of time (I know a few people like this) but more likely your job will be landed 6-9 months (or less) before you would start. Fellowships have different timelines. At some point you have to take a chance and trust your skills and abilities.
 
Thanks again. I definately don't want to do a third fellowship at all. I agree with many posters that I should devote all mental energy towards job search when the time comes rather than waste any time considering a third fellowship. I'm still an optimist!
 
They were my favorite specialties and ones I found most challenging.

I'm doing these two fellowships to strengthen my marketability in addition to my general surg path skills...Furthermore, almost everyone in my class and in recent years is doing two. When it came down to it, I decided on hemepath as a second year...

Good luck.
 
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