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Hello! I would appreciate some advice. I'm a third time re-applicant this cycle and have yet to receive any IIs. My first cycle, I received two IIs and two WLs to two MD schools and never got off of either. My second cycle, same thing.

I've spoken to the pre-med advisors from my undergrad and many physicians I have worked with and have been told I may just be unlucky, but I'm sure there is something else?

MCAT: 514. Overall GPA: 3.83. Science GPA: 3.8
Clinical hours: +3000 (worked as a medical scribe for the past 2.5 years)
Clinical volunteering hours: +500 (hospital escort)
Non-clinical volunteering hours: +1000 (have worked with the same organization tutoring English to ESL speakers for the past 8 years)
Research: I didn't have any research hours my first 2 cycles but this year I have 220 hours + counting as a clinical trial research assistant (recently promoted to study coordinator)
Leadership: Treasurer for a pre-medical organization dedicated to serving and fundraising for underserved communities.
Teaching Assistant: For a biology lab one semester.

I have applied to 18 schools this cycle, and to 11/18 school, I am a first-time applicant. I admit that my first two cycles, my school lists were more top-heavy (i applied to a similar number of schools those times), which is why I changed many of my schools. I had a mock interview before this cycle to see if my interviews were the problem but did not receive much feedback..and I had my previous personal statement read and was told it wasn't extraordinary, but still good. I re-wrote my personal statement and all of my secondary essays each time though!

I would appreciate any advice anyone has. Thank you!
 
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If you do need to reapply again, I'd apply to more MD schools and think about adding DO. The first time I applied, I had a very top heavy list of like 28 schools. This cycle, I improved my app and applied broadly to 41 schools, and I've been more successful.

Also, this cycle is very competitive, which may explain your current situation.

While your app looks balanced, nothing really sticks out to me. There isn't an x-factor, and your writing may be average as well. I'd consider trying to get a clinical research pub, maybe Americorps???, and really scrutinizing your writing. I also had to re-write secondaries, but I sometimes felt that my answers became thinner because I wanted to write about a new topic compared to last year. If you need to re-write secondaries for the 4th time, I would make it a synthesis of all the best parts of your previous responses. Get expert help if needed.
 
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If you do need to reapply again, I'd apply to more MD schools and think about adding DO. The first time I applied, I had a very top heavy list of like 28 schools. This cycle, I improved my app and applied broadly to 41 schools, and I've been more successful.

Also, this cycle is very competitive, which may explain your current situation.

While your app looks balanced, nothing really sticks out to me. There isn't an x-factor, and your writing may be average as well. I'd consider trying to get a clinical research pub, maybe Americorps???, and really scrutinizing your writing. I also had to re-write secondaries, but I sometimes felt that my answers became thinner because I wanted to write about a new topic compared to last year. If you need to re-write secondaries for the 4th time, I would make it a synthesis of all the best parts of your previous responses. Get expert help if needed.

41 schools...you’re amazing!!!

but yea..i’m even considering adding a DO school late into this cycle since my MCAT would expire next year but i’ve been on the fence since hearing so much about how step 1 becoming pass/fail + the merger might negatively affect DO residency options.

do you think sending an update letter about my promotion/ other volunteer activities i’ve done for the past few months help at this point?
 
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41 schools...you’re amazing!!!

do you think sending an update letter about my promotion/ other volunteer activities i’ve done for the past few months help at this point?

I spent spring break and beyond prewriting for those 41 schools. Would definitely not recommend applying to so many unless you prewrite.

People only recommend updates if they are significant and/or make up for a gap in your application. Unless you've added hundreds of hours to your volunteering, I don't know if it'll make much difference. Just my opinion tho, and you should ask others too.
 
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41 schools...you’re amazing!!!

but yea..i’m even considering adding a DO school late into this cycle since my MCAT would expire next year but i’ve been on the fence since hearing so much about how step 1 becoming pass/fail + the merger might negatively affect DO residency options.

do you think sending an update letter about my promotion/ other volunteer activities i’ve done for the past few months help at this point?
Beggars can't be choosy, you need to have more than one DO school on your list if you have to reapply. Otherwise you're losing yet another year of attending salary.

Despite what you have been told, I suspect that your interview skills or what needs work on.

Affected the merger has been discussed to death in these forums, and if anything it is helped students get into good residencies not hurt them.

Step one going past fail has also been discussed to death. Residency directors will simply use step 2
 
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Beggars can't be choosy, you need to have more than one DO school on your list if you have to reapply. Otherwise you're losing yet another year of attending salary.

Despite what you have been told, I suspect that your interview skills or what needs work on.

Affected the merger has been discussed to death in these forums, and if anything it is helped students get into good residencies not hurt them.

Step one going past fail has also been discussed to death. Residency directors will simply use step 2

Goro! Thank you for stopping by and coming in with advice. And you’re absolutely right i didn’t mean to say only one DO school, I would definitely add more. And if I’m fortunate enough to somehow receive a II this cycle I’ll definitely try to better prepare.

You definitely need to apply broadly. My stats were similar to yours and I applied to 36 schools, because I did not want to be re-applicant.

Yup seems to be my biggest mistake. Thank you!
 
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I'm a multi-time reapplicant with 3.6/515. My ECs were a bit better than yours.

I don't want to be presumptuous but you seem like a pretty average applicant, all in all, and that's not bad. But I think you thought 514/3.8 would make you competitive at upper end schools. It doesn't. You're competing with people with good numbers and extraordinary ECs (starting businesses and charities).

-You need to apply to way more schools. Like you need to apply everywhere (I did 40 MD and 15 DO!). I made the mistake of doing 10 "near home" my first cycle. You can't do that. You just need to get in.
-When did you apply? It needs to be early.
-Schools might get sick of looking at an unchanged application year after year. Even if you have 'new secondaries' are you adding anymore legitimate assets? Maybe just change up your volunteering or add a new hobby? Spice it up and make it memorable.
-You need to start looking at DO schools. You have better numbers for there, and a fresh start. Don't sit in this mire where you could be a resident by now if you didn't go DO. If you don't make it in that first shot you need to be of the mindset 'I'd be lucky to go DO and do FM anywhere' if you want to be a doctor.

Get some new eyes on your essays. Maybe you got comfortable with the reader, maybe they got comfortable with you.
 

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