This explains why, in general, surgeons are a$$ holes..

[worfndata]

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They are by far most likely to be social and fiscal conservatives! 😵 I don't know about anyone else but this will affect my choice of specialty. Few things are as horrid as working with colleagues you have little in common with.

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When looking at political biases by specialty, the most conservative physicians (reporting themselves as conservative fiscally and socially) tended to be in the operating room: plastic surgeons (82.2%), orthopaedists (82%), anesthesiologists (80%), urologists (79.4%), ophthalmologists (77.6%), and general surgeons (76.5%). The most liberal physicians (both socially and fiscally) were infectious disease physicians (74.4%), psychiatrists (72.1%), intensivists (67.7%), neurologists (64.1%), and oncologists (63.5%) (see Table 3).

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/760127_5

So they get into surgery it would seem because that's where the most money is. Since making lots of money what is a core part of being conservative. It makes perfect sense to me! I wonder if they even see their patients as human beings instead of just dollar signs?

 

[EMDO2018]

Maybe its the high income that makes them conservative.

 

[DermViser]

I see that you're a trolling premed, so I'll entertain your question as if it's real. First, any surgeon that goes thru a very rigorous General Surgery residency isn't doing it just for the money. There is no way you will be able to get thru a Surgery residency if your only goal in life is money. No way. You'll get a slight taste of this when (if) you make it to med school and enter MS-3. The way Surgery can break you down physically if not mentally is no joke.

There are good, valid reasons to find Surgeons insufferable. Yours isn't one of them.

 

[PL198]

Lol go back to pre-allo. Yes all conservatives are a**holes. Thank you for your genius generalization. People that make lots of money tend to be conservative. Probably because that's the party that represents people that make money.... Go vilify another group of people for no reason.

 

[worfndata]

No I'm being serious. If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money, including "suffering" through school. Esp if as we know the money comes with a nice god or superiority complex side dish, which meshes perfectly with their already held belief that other people are not their equal.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Yet if you had read the entire primary source, you'd see that physicians who are fiscally conservative and socially conservative only exceed that of the general American population by a few single digit percentage points.

In addition, I noticed that while bashing surgeons you neglected to include Anesthesiologists, Radiologists and EM physicians who have about the same percentage scores as the surgeons.

At any rate, it's a bit insulting (which I'm sure you meant it to be) to state that surgeons choose their speciality to make money, that they don't care about patient welfare or that they all fit nearly into one category in one little poll published on a Medscape page.

Besides being fiscally and socially conservative is generally what happens when you become a professional adult with a good income. Why don't you poll some other professions and see if you don't find the same thing?

Finally, the Allo forum is for topics of interest to med students. Those that wish to do so can follow in the Pre Allo forum.

 

[Frazier]

No I'm being serious. If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money, including "suffering" through school. Esp if as we know the money comes with a nice god or superiority complex side dish, which meshes perfectly with their already held belief that other people are not their equal.

Can you do a worse job of connecting these dots:

"If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money..."

?

 

[worfndata]

Did u not notice the other specialties such as psych where 70% are fiscal and socially liberal? Are they not professional adults with good income? Yes there are other ones , er , rad etc, but they all are involved in surgery in one way or another, or tend to be in the OR, as the article states.

Becoming a surgeon doesnt suddenly turn an adult into a conservative, seems a little wishful to me. I

 

[worfndata]

Can you do a worse job of connecting these dots:

"If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money..."

?

I'm saying for conservative men meeting some imagined standard of society or their community is paramount. Such as being straight, not cheating, being a care taker etc.

So yes, I think most surgeons or OR types are in it for the money. And the survey I posted I think supports this.

 

[DermViser]

No I'm being serious. If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money, including "suffering" through school. Esp if as we know the money comes with a nice god or superiority complex side dish, which meshes perfectly with their already held belief that other people are not their equal.

I'm not understanding your thought patterns. Conservative men can be gay, which must mean male surgeons are gay and hide it? I think this might be news to @southernIM and @SLUser11. Residency is not "schooling" in the traditional sense. Again, there is NO WAY you will get thru a Surgery residency if your only aim is making money.

 

[mcloaf]

As a liberal person planning to go into surgery, I can't say I'll be sorry to not see you in the OR. To be honest, though, based on the level you're operating at ITT I doubt you'll make it far enough in this process to get the opportunity to decide what you want to practice.

 

[DermViser]

Did u not notice the other specialties such as psych where 70% are fiscal and socially liberal? Are they not professional adults with good income? Yes there are other ones , er , rad etc, but they all are involved in surgery in one way or another, or tend to be in the OR, as the article states.

Becoming a surgeon doesnt suddenly turn an adult into a conservative, seems a little wishful to me. I

ER and Rad Onc is not involved in Surgery and aren't in the OR. Sorry.

 

[DermViser]

I'm saying for conservative men meeting some imagined standard of society or their community is paramount. Such as being straight, not cheating, being a care taker etc.

So yes, I think most surgeons or OR types are in it for the money. And the survey I posted I think supports this.

So you're saying Surgeons aren't gay? Surgeons don't cheat?!!? Surgeons don't have families? Really?

 

[Aerus]

I'm saying for conservative men meeting some imagined standard of society or their community is paramount. Such as being straight, not cheating, being a care taker etc.

So yes, I think most surgeons or OR types are in it for the money. And the survey I posted I think supports this.

It is scary to imagine that you are aiming to be a healthcare provider if this is the logical train of thought (or rather lack of it) that you are using.

 

[Spinach Dip]

So, liberals are incapable of being asssholes?

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[worfndata]

Lol ok.

ER and Rad Onc is not involved in Surgery and aren't in the OR. Sorry.

Sry I assumed he was accurately quoting the article, which he wasn't.

 

[worfndata]

So, liberals are incapable of being asssholes?

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

No sir. This post was specific to surgeons who are known to live and breath assholeness. And the fact 80 % are right wingers makes it all the more clear why.

 

[mcloaf]

This post was specific to surgeons who are known to live and breath assholeness.

I wonder how much time you've actually spent around surgeons and how much of this is just you parroting stereotypes in an attempt to get attention.

 

[worfndata]

I've been reading sdn where have u been?

 

[Anicetus]

I think liberals who are quick to judge are a$$holes.

I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and it's people like OP who make a bad name for liberals.

 

[EsotericAlchemy]

No sir. This post was specific to surgeons who are known to live and breath assholeness. And the fact 80 % are right wingers makes it all the more clear why.

Dearest Premed,

These posts are not constructive, helpful, or interesting at all. Given your likely very limited exposure to medicine, your unfounded hatred for surgeons is clear but mind-boggling. I'd suggest spending more time around people who hold different views than your own.

 

[DermViser]

I wonder how much time you've actually spent around surgeons and how much of this is just you parroting stereotypes in an attempt to get attention.

I've been reading sdn where have u been?

😆😆😆

 

[aklark]

Counterpoint: Nice (Canadian) surgeons who make free educational videos about surgery with puppets.

Maybe time to re-evaluate that dogma, eh amigo?

 

[Spinach Dip]

No sir. This post was specific to surgeons who are known to live and breath assholeness. And the fact 80 % are right wingers makes it all the more clear why.

I have seen the light! And it comes from wofrdnataa's lips!



PS: :troll:

 

[worfndata]

We'll

Counterpoint: Nice (Canadian) surgeons who make free educational videos about surgery with puppets.

Maybe time to re-evaluate that dogma, eh amigo?

Canada might as we'll be Sweden compared to the states. US conservatives have more in common with their middle eastern counterparts than any Canadian ones. Follows then that most US surgeons do as we'll.

 

[PL198]

Seriously if this is the logic you use in all aspects of life, I hope for the good of society you don't become a doctor. Surgeons are thought of a**holes because it sort of comes with the personality required to do the job. Cutting people up requires a good amount of self-assurance and a "My d*ck is bigger than god's," complex. Doesn't mean they're awful people, they just have high amounts of confidence. Don't see how this relates to politics at all. This is honestly the dumbest post I've ever seen on this website, and that's saying something as I've seen " how to day trade with loan money," as well as " If I make 200k a year, does that mean I can pay off my 200k loans off in a year?" Those two are quite hard to beat normally, but you've done it.

 

[graviton]

A pre-med, who hasn't worked a day in the OR, calling surgeons dinguses... There's only one way this can end.

I hope you are just trolling and not this lacking in social graces in real life.

Protip: don't talk about your political opinions with strangers.

 

[Mad Jack]

I'm saying for conservative men meeting some imagined standard of society or their community is paramount. Such as being straight, not cheating, being a care taker etc.

So yes, I think most surgeons or OR types are in it for the money. And the survey I posted I think supports this.

Loooooool...

I really love when people claim to completely understand other groups of people that they refuse to even interact with unless forced to.

I've known many nice surgeons over the years, some so nice I'd probably punch you if you dared call them an ***hole in front of me. There's a lot of PITA surgeons as well, but let's not paint with broad brushes here.

 

[Mad Jack]

A pre-med, who hasn't worked a day in the OR, calling surgeons dinguses... There's only one way this can end.

I hope you are just trolling and not this lacking in social graces in real life.

Protip: don't talk about your political opinions with strangers.

Worfndata had had several pretty strong troll threads in the past if I remember correctly. I'm surprised she hadn't been banned already.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Conservatives are dinguses.
Surgeons are dinguses.
If you want to make money you don't care about people. (dinguses)
Conservatives are straight, don't cheat, and want to be care givers, making them dinguses.
US conservatives have more in common with their middle eastern counterparts. (Not sure what this means but = dinguses)

Strong. Real strong.

 

[PL198]

liberal or die

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

I like people whose worldview is so juvenile that they can literally boil down all of the world's problems into a Red Team vs. Blue Team mentality.
Go Red! Go Blue! To hell with you!

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

No I'm being serious. If for example so many conservative men are willing to live a lie their entire life, for ex they are gay but pretend otherwise, it's not hard to believe they would do anything for money, including "suffering" through school. Esp if as we know the money comes with a nice god or superiority complex side dish, which meshes perfectly with their already held belief that other people are not their equal.

Dude gtfo. Seriously.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

liberal or die

I'm overwhelmed by this tolerance. 😉

 

[deleted480308]

I like people whose worldview is so juvenile that they can literally boil down all of the world's problems into a Red Team vs. Blue Team mentality.
Go Red! Go Blue! To hell with you!

side note...have you ever seen the red vs blue halo series?

 

[deleted480308]

I like people whose worldview is so juvenile that they can literally boil down all of the world's problems into a Red Team vs. Blue Team mentality.
Go Red! Go Blue! To hell with you!

*language

 

[el_duderino]

Besides being fiscally and socially conservative is generally what happens when you become a professional adult with a good income.

You know what's odd... more or less the opposite of that has happened to me. I've always been socially liberal, but in high school and college I was very conservative economically. As I've accumulated more real world experience and become financially independent in a good career, I've become more and more liberal economically. I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

 

[PreciousHamburgers]

You know what's odd... more or less the opposite of that has happened to me. I've always been socially liberal, but in high school and college I was very conservative economically. As I've accumulated more real world experience and become financially independent in a good career, I've become more and more liberal economically. I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

Me as well. Perhaps it is because I work in a low-income area and see the benefits of government spending (state spending) every day.

 

[el_duderino]

Me as well. Perhaps it is because I work in a low-income area and see the benefits of government spending (state spending) every day.

I actually work in government and see first-hand enormous amounts of government waste. You'd think that would push me the other direction.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

I'm not understanding your thought patterns. Conservative men can be gay, which must mean male surgeons are gay and hide it? I think this might be news to @southernIM and @SLUser11. Residency is not "schooling" in the traditional sense. Again, there is NO WAY you will get thru a Surgery residency if your only aim is making money.

Not worth responding to either horrible trolling or horrible idiocy...

But for the record I'm fiscally confused and socially begrudgingly liberal...

 

[tokeneconomy]

They are by far most likely to be social and fiscal conservatives! 😵 I don't know about anyone else but this will affect my choice of specialty.

Are you serious? Lol. I'll first say that I'm conservative and am not a jerk like you seem to be generalizing them all as. Also, if you end up in medical school after 4 years of being a premed and dealing with some of the other neurotic pre-meds, is being around people you don't agree with really a deterrent? I honestly hope that does not affect your choice of specialty. I've met some wonderful surgeons on both ends of the spectrum and don't think you should be dismissing them all just because of the political views of a percentage of them.

 

[PreciousHamburgers]

I actually work in government and see first-hand enormous amounts of government waste. You'd think that would push me the other direction.

Oh, of course there is waste, but I still see the benefits and the safety net. Also, I'm more comfortable with "waste" that results in money simply leaving the government and going back into the American economy than money being sent overseas for investment, tax evasion, and to fund unnecessary and hugely wasteful military operations.

 

[el_duderino]

Oh, of course there is waste, but I still see the benefits and the safety net. Also, I'm more comfortable with "waste" that results in money simply leaving the government and going back into the American economy than money being sent overseas for investment, tax evasion, and to fund unnecessary and hugely wasteful military operations.

Fair point. I also want to point out that in general I want to see a much smaller government at the federal and often state level. There are some things we do that we shouldn't do, some of which cost stupid amounts of money. But there are also some things we don't do that I think we should.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Enough trolling for the morning.

 

[Winged Scapula]

You know what's odd... more or less the opposite of that has happened to me. I've always been socially liberal, but in high school and college I was very conservative economically. As I've accumulated more real world experience and become financially independent in a good career, I've become more and more liberal economically. I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

I've become more socially liberal as I've gotten older as well.

In my case it was simply a matter of evaluating what my parents taught me and deciding what I felt was right and morally just.

 

[tdram]

I don't think there's anything wrong with your primary interest in any specialty being wanting to make money, as long as you take care of your patients well in the process, which you'll have to do if you want to keep making money anyway.

The purpose of a job is to make money after all.

 

[DermViser]

OMG, Banned?

 

[DermViser]

Not worth responding to either horrible trolling or horrible idiocy...

But for the record I'm fiscally confused and socially begrudgingly liberal...

begrudgingly?

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

OMG, Banned?

Says the guy in bright blue! 😉

 

[DermViser]

Says the guy in bright blue! 😉

It was bound to happen some time or another. I need to learn to use the Ignore function more often. 🙄