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I am reading these threads about people getting interviews with below 20 MCATs or people with low 20's MCAT getting 7 interviews and 4 acceptances yet I have a low 20's MCAT (yes I am taking it again in April), a high Grad SChool GPA, lifetime experience, more than 10 years clinical experience and have nothing to show for it? 😡 😡

Sure my UG is crap but it has been 10 years and the Graduate school recently finished.

UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH This sux.
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I am reading these threads about people getting interviews with below 20 MCATs or people with low 20's MCAT getting 7 interviews and 4 acceptances yet I have a low 20's MCAT (yes I am taking it again in April), a high Grad SChool GPA, lifetime experience, more than 10 years clinical experience and have nothing to show for it? 😡 😡

Sure my UG is crap but it has been 10 years and the Graduate school recently finished.

UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH This sux.

It just goes to show you that it's the whole package they look at-- EC's, good LOR's and clinical experience..I mean I have low MCAT score and I mean I do have an interview, but no acceptance yet...MCAT is not the end all be all...Just stay positive, and you will hear something very soon... How many schools did you apply to? How many have you heard back from? Goodluck to you.
 
To be honest, I don't think the low MCAT people are average applicants with low MCATs. I think most of them have something that really stands out. I didn't get in until I brought up my MCAT.
 
JKDMed said:
To be honest, I don't think the low MCAT people are average applicants with low MCATs. I think most of them have something that really stands out. I didn't get in until I brought up my MCAT.

Where do you currently attend med school? Thanks for your comment.
 
I applied to a total of 10 schools, 6 allo and 4 osteo.

I was rejected from 3 allos so far, expected and 1 osteo, unexpected. The rejection from the osteo included a note card that stated I was missing 1 credit of organic. I had called said school to explain to them that my UG institution only offered 7 credits of orgo and that they can furnish a letter stating such. The school said OK but 2 days later I received the rejection.

I spoke to my top choice who advised me to retake the MCAT. But still, I hear only crickets and it is driving my up a wall.

I have good LORs, good ECs, and excellent clinical experience.
 
JKDMed said:
To be honest, I don't think the low MCAT people are average applicants with low MCATs. I think most of them have something that really stands out. I didn't get in until I brought up my MCAT.

👍 👍
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I applied to a total of 10 schools, 6 allo and 4 osteo.

I was rejected from 3 allos so far, expected and 1 osteo, unexpected. The rejection from the osteo included a note card that stated I was missing 1 credit of organic. I had called said school to explain to them that my UG institution only offered 7 credits of orgo and that they can furnish a letter stating such. The school said OK but 2 days later I received the rejection.

I spoke to my top choice who advised me to retake the MCAT. But still, I hear only crickets and it is driving my up a wall.

I have good LORs, good ECs, and excellent clinical experience.

So you still have yet to hear from 3 osteopathic schools..Stay optimistic--believe me, this will help you feel a lot better about the whole process. Everything happens for a reason, and you will get interviews. Gluck 🙂
 
I have a 21 MCAT P writing, and a 3.5 undergrad GPA...

DMU- waitlisted
LECOM, WVSOM, TUCOM-MI- Accepted
Pomona, TUCOM-NV- Denied

Applied to all Osteo but Ohio State and Texas... Other schools have heard nothing from... Applied the day applications opened, sent in secondaries in the summer... Am president of three clubs, worked in hospitals for years, have traveled a lot, married, work in a lab for three years, honors college, outstanding letters of rec from three physicians, three professors I know on a first name basis... Enjoy interviews... Sucked at the MCAT :laugh:

Good luck, just giving you a profile of one of the bastards that got in with a low MCAT...
 
To the OP:

This goes to show how much undergrad GPAs are valued. Most everyone who goes to grad school has an incredibly high grad. GPA (grad school grades are greatly inflated). Med schools know this and this is why they place most emphasis on undergrad GPA. Have you tried taking more undergrad classes to boost that GPA? It may help.
 
Donvb said:
I have a 21 MCAT P writing, and a 3.5 undergrad GPA...

DMU- waitlisted
LECOM, WVSOM, TUCOM-MI- Accepted
Pomona, TUCOM-NV- Denied

Applied to all Osteo but Ohio State and Texas... Other schools have heard nothing from... Applied the day applications opened, sent in secondaries in the summer... Am president of three clubs, worked in hospitals for years, have traveled a lot, married, work in a lab for three years, honors college, outstanding letters of rec from three physicians, three professors I know on a first name basis... Enjoy interviews... Sucked at the MCAT :laugh:

Good luck, just giving you a profile of one of the bastards that got in with a low MCAT...

Congrats Donvb! Goodluck with your future career, and I hope I can call myself a bastard that got in with a low MCAT score..my interview at PCOM is next week. Thanks for your post.
 
Dr Trek 1 said:
To the OP:

This goes to show how much undergrad GPAs are valued. Most everyone who goes to grad school has an incredibly high grad. GPA (grad school grades are greatly inflated). Med schools know this and this is why they place most emphasis on undergrad GPA. Have you tried taking more undergrad classes to boost that GPA? It may help.


The Grad program was advised to me by a dean of admissions at an allopathic medical school, I applied to her school but was rejected. When I asked what happened she urged me to take one or two more graduate classes.

another dean I spoke to told me that since my UG was almost 10 years old and my graduate classes are more recent, the UG becomes more and more ancient history and that the high grades for the graduate class show that I can do the work.
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I applied to a total of 10 schools, 6 allo and 4 osteo.

I was rejected from 3 allos so far, expected and 1 osteo, unexpected. The rejection from the osteo included a note card that stated I was missing 1 credit of organic. I had called said school to explain to them that my UG institution only offered 7 credits of orgo and that they can furnish a letter stating such. The school said OK but 2 days later I received the rejection.

I spoke to my top choice who advised me to retake the MCAT. But still, I hear only crickets and it is driving my up a wall.

I have good LORs, good ECs, and excellent clinical experience.
A similiar thing happened to me. School emailed me telling me I was 1 credit short of gen chem. I emailed her back immediately stating that my school only offered 7 credits b/c they combine the lab. Last week I received an interview invite from them.
 
I thought you've realized by now that the application cycle is very random....and arent based solely on numbers...this applies to both allo and osteo..ive heard of ppl that have 4.0 38 mcat..that didnt get into my state MD schools....really a pity...
 
Hang in there and kick the crap out of the MCAT this April, you can do it, make it priority number one and disappear for two months in preparation. I have an opinion about schools that take in people with sub/low 20 MCAT but I will keep that to myself, work hard it will be worth it in the end when you get in where you want and deserve to be.

By the way, we have a few grad students in each of my classes and I know for a fact that there is no grade inflation in here, you have to bust ass to pass so if grad GPA is an issue try taking a class with med students to really show you can handle the work, that wasn’t pointed at you EMT2 but in general.
 
i was shadowing with a plastic surgeon and there was a med student there and I picked her brain for awhile. She had she could name ten people in her class at an osteopathic school that had ZERO clinical experience. She said all they did was had one thing in their app to make it rememberable. she said if your app looks just like most peoples, than you will suffer the rejection of most people. Best advice i have gotten so far.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
i was shadowing with a plastic surgeon and there was a med student there and I picked her brain for awhile. She had she could name ten people in her class at an osteopathic school that had ZERO clinical experience. She said all they did was had one thing in their app to make it rememberable. she said if your app looks just like most peoples, than you will suffer the rejection of most people. Best advice i have gotten so far.

Any idea of what can make an application memorable?

So many of the applications must look the same. 3.xx GPA, 2x MCAT, ____ Volunteer, Shaddowed Dr xxxxxx DO, Personal Statement says applicant believes strongly in the DO philosophy

The only thing I've ever read on here that made an application stand out was someone was an on air personality at a major radio station.

The only thing that will be on my application that won't be on several others is that I've raised $15,000 for a childrens hospital, something that is hardly memorable.

So...ideas or examples of standing out would be really helpful.
 
letsrun4it said:
Any idea of what can make an application memorable?

So many of the applications must look the same. 3.xx GPA, 2x MCAT, ____ Volunteer, Shaddowed Dr xxxxxx DO, Personal Statement says applicant believes strongly in the DO philosophy

The only thing I've ever read on here that made an application stand out was someone was an on air personality at a major radio station.

The only thing that will be on my application that won't be on several others is that I've raised $15,000 for a childrens hospital, something that is hardly memorable.

So...ideas or examples of standing out would be really helpful.


I have been the lead in over 30 full scale musical theater productions. I have also sung/played piano in countless performances. I have been doing these performances my entire life. Basically, my resume looks a lot more like a musician's than a pre-med's.

You always hear about how well rounded everyone is who applys to med school. However, in my experience, I haven't really seen this so much. Like at my interviews, I was the only non-science major and certainly the only person who was a semi-professional actor and musician.

I also am in a MS program for a non-science field, counseling. I think this really made my application stand out... thus my acceptance. I had average MCAT, science gpa, etc.

I'm not saying all applicants need to be stage performers- but I am saying that it definately helps to be really passionate about something not directly related to medicine. Good luck!
 
I think DO schools want devoted DO students. If you applied to both DO and MD, they are going to question your motivation.

Also, why did you only apply to 10 schools? You should have really spread the net to catch the most fish.

I hope you'll rip the next MCAT apart and reach your dream. Good luck!
 
happydays said:
I think DO schools want devoted DO students. If you applied to both DO and MD, they are going to question your motivation.

Also, why did you only apply to 10 schools? You should have really spread the net to catch the most fish.

I hope you'll rip the next MCAT apart and reach your dream. Good luck!

I agree to an extent. I actually did the opposite (applying to 10 schools) I applied to 5 schools...withdrew from 3 pre secondary. Partly due to money and also I knew I only wanted to go to one school....so I think that carried a lot of weight when the interview committee asked "What other schools did you apply too...Why PCOM?"

I guess its different for everyone. If you have the drive you will get in.
 
happydays said:
I think DO schools want devoted DO students. If you applied to both DO and MD, they are going to question your motivation.

Also, why did you only apply to 10 schools? You should have really spread the net to catch the most fish.

I hope you'll rip the next MCAT apart and reach your dream. Good luck!
I don't think they can see which MD schools you applied to; it's a separate application. My motivation for applying to both is that I strongly desire to become a physician; the initials after my name do not matter as much to me.
 
PlasticMan said:
I don't think they can see which MD schools you applied to; it's a separate application. My motivation for applying to both is that I strongly desire to become a physician; the initials after my name do not matter as much to me.

This is what they are searching for in applicants. Many of the DO schools want students that strive to practice Osteopathic medicine and use the learned principles in their future practice... This is what will keep Osteopthic Medicine unique from Allopathic, students who honestly strive to be great OSTEOPATHIC PHYSICIANS... This may be why some students get in with lower statistics... 😎
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I am reading these threads about people getting interviews with below 20 MCATs or people with low 20's MCAT getting 7 interviews and 4 acceptances yet I have a low 20's MCAT (yes I am taking it again in April), a high Grad SChool GPA, lifetime experience, more than 10 years clinical experience and have nothing to show for it? 😡 😡

Sure my UG is crap but it has been 10 years and the Graduate school recently finished.

UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH This sux.

I am not even sure this deserves an answer but, I worked my ass off for four years. I didn't get lucky, I didn't wake up and boom, seven interviews. I have a very high GPA and more than two majors along with enough EC's to choke a cow. I am sorry the situation cannot be better for you but, don't get mad at us, we are all in this boat together.
 
Nate said:
Hang in there and kick the crap out of the MCAT this April, you can do it, make it priority number one and disappear for two months in preparation. I have an opinion about schools that take in people with sub/low 20 MCAT but I will keep that to myself, work hard it will be worth it in the end when you get in where you want and deserve to be.

By the way, we have a few grad students in each of my classes and I know for a fact that there is no grade inflation in here, you have to bust ass to pass so if grad GPA is an issue try taking a class with med students to really show you can handle the work, that wasn’t pointed at you EMT2 but in general.

Well, if you follow this website: http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/ranmcat.htm

UMDNJ, which I see you attend is ranked 5th with an average MCAT of 26, DMU, where I will be attending is 8th with a 25.1. Not much of a difference here, so, exactly what is your theory about schools that accept students with a low MCAT since your school and mine differ by less than a point?
 
Jamers said:
I am not even sure this deserves an answer but, I worked my ass off for four years. I didn't get lucky, I didn't wake up and boom, seven interviews. I have a very high GPA and more than two majors along with enough EC's to choke a cow. I am sorry the situation cannot be better for you but, don't get mad at us, we are all in this boat together.

I am in no way mad any anyone. this is a forum for me to vent my anxiety and frustration. I do not know your situation or anyone else's on this board and for that matter it is none of my business. I have my own situation and my own contacts within the medical school community.

If you get in with a low MCAT then congratulations I am sure that your application was strong in other areas.

It was wrong for you to assume that I was pissed off at you or any other applicant that gained admission.

As for some other questions:

1) Why only 10 schools? I have a family with young children. When I sat down to look at schools I had to sit down with my wife and see if she was willing to move to a certain location. With a baby on the way, her support system is very important and this has to be taken into consideration. That being said, this first round was focused on the East Coast, where it would not be too far for her parents to either travel to or move with us. At the same time, applying to school is expensive and with other expenses added to run my household the budget was only able to be stretched so far.

2) Why both DO and MD? Refer to the above answer as there are a limited nimber of DO scools on the east coast. I applied to almost 1/2 of the schools on the East Coast.

3) My preference? DO. If I do not get in this round, the next round will be strictly DO.
 
To the OP, what is your grad program in? That makes a difference.

There is a huge subjective factor in admissions. Too many people make the mistake of thinking that numbers alone will carry them to admission -- this is hardly the case. Most people who have made it far enough to apply are academically "acceptable". At this point, you have to learn how to "sell" yourself and present yourself in the most appealing way possible. Thus, you really need something to set yourself apart if you are an average or slightly below average applicant. This begins even before the interview, in your ECs and personal essay.

Also keep in mind that most people don't get in on their first attempt. Good luck.
 
JKDMed said:
To the OP, what is your grad program in? That makes a difference.

There is a huge subjective factor in admissions. Too many people make the mistake of thinking that numbers alone will carry them to admission -- this is hardly the case. Most people who have made it far enough to apply are academically "acceptable". At this point, you have to learn how to "sell" yourself and present yourself in the most appealing way possible. Thus, you really need something to set yourself apart if you are an average or slightly below average applicant. This begins even before the interview, in your ECs and personal essay.

Also keep in mind that most people don't get in on their first attempt. Good luck.

My Masters degree is in Biology. I have worked on my personal essay with a professional to make it stand out and highlight what makes me unique.
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I am reading these threads about people getting interviews with below 20 MCATs or people with low 20's MCAT getting 7 interviews and 4 acceptances yet I have a low 20's MCAT (yes I am taking it again in April), a high Grad SChool GPA, lifetime experience, more than 10 years clinical experience and have nothing to show for it? 😡 😡

Sure my UG is crap but it has been 10 years and the Graduate school recently finished.

UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH This sux.


I'm a junior still in undergrad with a 3.2 GPA and a 22M MCAT score. I also have tons of volunteering in hospitals and clinics as a volunteer translator and am shadowing a DO (that attended PCOM which I hope might help me) I was wondering if this would be good enough for PCOM, LECOM, and any other Osteopathic schools. Just curious...
 
soosung said:
I'm a junior still in undergrad with a 3.2 GPA and a 22M MCAT score. I also have tons of volunteering in hospitals and clinics as a volunteer translator and am shadowing a DO (that attended PCOM which I hope might help me) I was wondering if this would be good enough for PCOM, LECOM, and any other Osteopathic schools. Just curious...


Call the schools and talk to an admissions councelor they are the best ones to answer your question. I am no position to give you this type of advice, sorry.
 
soosung said:
I'm a junior still in undergrad with a 3.2 GPA and a 22M MCAT score. I also have tons of volunteering in hospitals and clinics as a volunteer translator and am shadowing a DO (that attended PCOM which I hope might help me) I was wondering if this would be good enough for PCOM, LECOM, and any other Osteopathic schools. Just curious...

My advice would be for you to raise your MCAT to at least 25. That way you'll have a better shot.
 
soosung said:
I'm a junior still in undergrad with a 3.2 GPA and a 22M MCAT score. I also have tons of volunteering in hospitals and clinics as a volunteer translator and am shadowing a DO (that attended PCOM which I hope might help me) I was wondering if this would be good enough for PCOM, LECOM, and any other Osteopathic schools. Just curious...

Nice try, hijacker :meanie:
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I am in no way mad any anyone. this is a forum for me to vent my anxiety and frustration. I do not know your situation or anyone else's on this board and for that matter it is none of my business. I have my own situation and my own contacts within the medical school community.

If you get in with a low MCAT then congratulations I am sure that your application was strong in other areas.

It was wrong for you to assume that I was pissed off at you or any other applicant that gained admission.

As for some other questions:

1) Why only 10 schools? I have a family with young children. When I sat down to look at schools I had to sit down with my wife and see if she was willing to move to a certain location. With a baby on the way, her support system is very important and this has to be taken into consideration. That being said, this first round was focused on the East Coast, where it would not be too far for her parents to either travel to or move with us. At the same time, applying to school is expensive and with other expenses added to run my household the budget was only able to be stretched so far.

2) Why both DO and MD? Refer to the above answer as there are a limited nimber of DO scools on the east coast. I applied to almost 1/2 of the schools on the East Coast.

3) My preference? DO. If I do not get in this round, the next round will be strictly DO.

Sorry, it was hard not to take personally when my stats. repeated in another posting were used in your op.
 
JKDMed said:
Also keep in mind that most people don't get in on their first attempt.

People always say this sort of thing... Is it really true or just a "feel good" thing to say?? I'm leaning toward the latter of the two

Maybe... most people who apply to a limited number of schools don't get in on their first attempt. Is that more appropriate?
 
Donvb said:
People always say this sort of thing... Is it really true or just a "feel good" thing to say?? I'm leaning toward the latter of the two

Maybe... most people who apply to a limited number of schools don't get in on their first attempt. Is that more appropriate?

No, because the number of applicants in the overall pool far outnumbers the seats available. I don't know about osteo schools, but for allo schools there are only enough seats to admit something like 40% of the total applicant pool.

Haven't you ever heard the lament of med schools having to turn down many qualified people?
 
Jamers said:
Well, if you follow this website: http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/ranmcat.htm

UMDNJ, which I see you attend is ranked 5th with an average MCAT of 26, DMU, where I will be attending is 8th with a 25.1. Not much of a difference here, so, exactly what is your theory about schools that accept students with a low MCAT since your school and mine differ by less than a point?

I said that I have an opinion about it, just like everyone else, which I was not going to discuss good or bad. You are assuming it is a bad opinion and that may be your own influence over the topic. Just because you asked won't change my mind about discussing it here either.

However, I will comment on your statistics. An average MCAT of 26 may mean half the students had 25 and half 27 or it can mean any number of other things like half had 20s and the other half had 32s and any variation. This statistic can mean very different things for each school.
 
Nate said:
Hang in there and kick the crap out of the MCAT this April, you can do it, make it priority number one and disappear for two months in preparation. I have an opinion about schools that take in people with sub/low 20 MCAT but I will keep that to myself, work hard it will be worth it in the end when you get in where you want and deserve to be.

By the way, we have a few grad students in each of my classes and I know for a fact that there is no grade inflation in here, you have to bust ass to pass so if grad GPA is an issue try taking a class with med students to really show you can handle the work, that wasn’t pointed at you EMT2 but in general.

and others have opinions of schools that accept applicants with sub/low 3.0ish GPAs. Averages are just averages Im sure at every school there are multiple applicants with sub or lowish something or another.

Having said that, I have a low MCAT but well above average GPA. I received no rejections, withdrew from some schools, declined invites,--but after 4 acceptances. I have overcome poverty, have years of clinical experience, and volunteering even before deciding to go down this path.
 
OP - Are you SURE your LORs are good? It is possible that someone wrote a so-so LOR, someone you never would have guessed to write a poor LOR. If you are still in the lab it's possible (and not altogether uncommon) that your PI wrote a so-so or even negative LOR in the hopes of keeping you in the lab. This is something to consider.

You also have to remember that Undergrad and Grad GPAs are considered separately. Even though undergrad was a decade or more ago, it will follow you forever. Sorry.

You could also contacts the schools once this cycle is over and ask what they would suggest to improve your application.

Good luck!
 
the admissions process is very random at times..as much as definite reasons you may search for as into why you did nto get an interview or acceptance, it may just come down to who interviewed you compared to another panel or if it was raining that day and your interviewer didn't have an umbrella or they had pms.. I may sound ridiculous but schools vary just as much as the admissions staff that deals with your application... i mean i'm sure they have numerous apps that stand out that are below 20 but how would they choose..they would feel bad if they choose one over the other when both are similar in their own unique way...who knows...i just feel like it can be random..you can be as honest as you want but it doesn't matter all the time...i got rejected when i busted my balls to show that i wanted to get in...i know people in med school that say a lot of ppl in there shouldn't have even got in... i know of schools, particularly a do school where around 10 people dropped out within the first semester....some didn't see med school fit (couldn't interviewers see that in an interview?)..a few cheat..others have personal reasons...my point is as much as you want it, in the grand scheme of things, it depends on your numbers....if u want a near to guaranteed seat, do well on your mcats and bust ur butt for the mcats and not just trying to get in...you can't find justice in why you did poorly by praising why you stand out..interviewers get the feeling that you are saying since you flew around the world four times, i'm still qualified although my mcat score is low...
 
JKDMed said:
To be honest, I don't think the low MCAT people are average applicants with low MCATs. I think most of them have something that really stands out. I didn't get in until I brought up my MCAT.
What did you have to bring it from?
 
EMT2ER-DOC said:
I am reading these threads about people getting interviews with below 20 MCATs or people with low 20's MCAT getting 7 interviews and 4 acceptances yet I have a low 20's MCAT (yes I am taking it again in April), a high Grad SChool GPA, lifetime experience, more than 10 years clinical experience and have nothing to show for it? 😡 😡

Sure my UG is crap but it has been 10 years and the Graduate school recently finished.

UGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH This sux.

Hey, hang in there, no one said getting into med school was going to be easy. 🙂 Remember, getting in is the hard part, attrition rate for med schools are pretty low, and residency placement is very high (when's the last time that someone couldn't match into Podunk, USA for family practice?).

A couple things to keep in mind:

1. Many people who talk about their 'low MCAT' score and still got in probably had something else exceptional. I noticed quite a few that had less than steller scores but had something that stood out and/or spent ten years as an ICU nurse---I noticed you said you had ten years of clinical experience, did you work in health care? It seems the ones who work fulltime in healthcare have an advantage even if they may have a lower academic credential.

As previous poster stated, people with low MCAT scores were exceptional in other areas---they more likely didn't just do everything else 'right', but did something, or everything else 'really well'.

An average DO school with MCAT score of say, 26 means there are people with 28, 29 and also 23, 24. And the 23, 24 probably had steller everything else (probably above average science GPAs, and/or great ECs etc).

2. People who get in with low MCAT scores are exceptional cases, rather than the norm. The format of threads makes it easier for people with similar experiences to congregate and discuss, hence making the appearance that low MCAT scores is common for med school acceptances. I mean, if you go to the allo thread and asked about people with 'low MCAT' score who got in, there will also be people with mid-20's MCAT score who will reply.

Heck, I was discussing my MCAT score worries with a friend last year, and she said she saw tons of students with below average MCAT scores who get into the local (MD) med school---but knowing 'people who have low MCAT scores' doesn't equate to it being a common phenonmen.

3. Med school is a crapshot. It's the reason why people apply to so many. It's also the reason why Carribean schools contains kids who can successfully pass their boards and practice in the US.

I mean, if the med school admissions were truly basing their acceptances on the applicant's ability to pass med school, then why is it that there are so many that don't get in, and then go abroad and do fine on their boards and get a residency? Ditto with DO schools. I know there are plenty of DO students that were rejected from their MD schools, yet they manage to successfully match into good residencies---yet the adcoms thought these students weren't 'med school worthy'?

There are just more qualified students than spots in med school---hence, the 'randomness' of the process. As long as your application is 'normal', the chance a school will pick you for an interview will be based, in part, on luck. It's part of the reason that DO schools have successfully proliferated without massive amounts of attrition (to my knowledge). There are just so many qualified applicants who would probably do well in med school if allowed in.


Just keep chugging along. Get that MCAT score up up UP! Even though my MCAT score was only a few points above most DO schools' average (and everything else was so-so), the application process for DO schools was relatively painless. Those few points really count! A few points lower and I think I may have had to push harder to get in.

Sounds like your grades are fine...maybe take a few undergrad courses just in case some schools tend to stress undergrad more than grad? Your ECs seems fine....so just focus on MCAT. Apply early and apply to as many schools as you can. I did that and I find that location does matter---some schools prefer students in their own areas while other schools liked to interview any qualified applicant so you never know! Also, apply early (yeah, I know I already said that, but that really makes a difference!).
 
NonTradMed said:
Hey, hang in there, no one said getting into med school was going to be easy. 🙂 Remember, getting in is the hard part, attrition rate for med schools are pretty low, and residency placement is very high (when's the last time that someone couldn't match into Podunk, USA for family practice?).

A couple things to keep in mind:

1. Many people who talk about their 'low MCAT' score and still got in probably had something else exceptional. I noticed quite a few that had less than steller scores but had something that stood out and/or spent ten years as an ICU nurse---I noticed you said you had ten years of clinical experience, did you work in health care? It seems the ones who work fulltime in healthcare have an advantage even if they may have a lower academic credential.

As previous poster stated, people with low MCAT scores were exceptional in other areas---they more likely didn't just do everything else 'right', but did something, or everything else 'really well'.

An average DO school with MCAT score of say, 26 means there are people with 28, 29 and also 23, 24. And the 23, 24 probably had steller everything else (probably above average science GPAs, and/or great ECs etc).

2. People who get in with low MCAT scores are exceptional cases, rather than the norm. The format of threads makes it easier for people with similar experiences to congregate and discuss, hence making the appearance that low MCAT scores is common for med school acceptances. I mean, if you go to the allo thread and asked about people with 'low MCAT' score who got in, there will also be people with mid-20's MCAT score who will reply.

Heck, I was discussing my MCAT score worries with a friend last year, and she said she saw tons of students with below average MCAT scores who get into the local (MD) med school---but knowing 'people who have low MCAT scores' doesn't equate to it being a common phenonmen.

3. Med school is a crapshot. It's the reason why people apply to so many. It's also the reason why Carribean schools contains kids who can successfully pass their boards and practice in the US.

I mean, if the med school admissions were truly basing their acceptances on the applicant's ability to pass med school, then why is it that there are so many that don't get in, and then go abroad and do fine on their boards and get a residency? Ditto with DO schools. I know there are plenty of DO students that were rejected from their MD schools, yet they manage to successfully match into good residencies---yet the adcoms thought these students weren't 'med school worthy'?

There are just more qualified students than spots in med school---hence, the 'randomness' of the process. As long as your application is 'normal', the chance a school will pick you for an interview will be based, in part, on luck. It's part of the reason that DO schools have successfully proliferated without massive amounts of attrition (to my knowledge). There are just so many qualified applicants who would probably do well in med school if allowed in.


Just keep chugging along. Get that MCAT score up up UP! Even though my MCAT score was only a few points above most DO schools' average (and everything else was so-so), the application process for DO schools was relatively painless. Those few points really count! A few points lower and I think I may have had to push harder to get in.

Sounds like your grades are fine...maybe take a few undergrad courses just in case some schools tend to stress undergrad more than grad? Your ECs seems fine....so just focus on MCAT. Apply early and apply to as many schools as you can. I did that and I find that location does matter---some schools prefer students in their own areas while other schools liked to interview any qualified applicant so you never know! Also, apply early (yeah, I know I already said that, but that really makes a difference!).


Thanks for your words of advice. To answer your clinical question, I have 14 years of experience as volunteer EMT logging in over 6000 ambulance calls, 4 childbirths, 1 CPR save, and 5 years in a leadership role before I was able to semi-retire. One more year and I can fully retire.

What do I mean by retire? In my squad while active you need to put in 10 hours per week. At 10 years, you only have to worry about fundraising, at 15 years you are set and have no responsibilities unless you want to help out.

And yes, I did mention this in my PS. I have been complete in all of my schools since October/November when the MCAT came out. I have only heard rom 4/10 schools. I am not sure what they are thinking about my application.
 
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