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I have a question for all of you. It's pretty simple really. Do you ever get stressed when you see the intense / well written notes that your classmates write? Sometimes I'm like dang it would be nice to have a nice set of notes that has class lectures / material simplified in a well structured, thought-out, summary or overview. I personally go to a school where the first semester of classes the exams are written by professors so I been making my own Anki cards. Next semester we start organ blocks and our exams are NBME, so I probably won't even be attending or streaming lectures at all. But anyways, thoughts? Comments? Suggestions / tips

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Not at all. I get stressed out by the idea of having written notes like that. I like Anki because every piece of information I put onto a flash card is something I will retain for as long as I can muster the energy to keep reviewing. I find comfort in that. There is no way to avoid it - if you can't remember something, the program will keep bashing you over the head with it until it clicks. Just make sure you get all the important things down onto flash cards and you're good to go. With notes it's easy to look at something, think you know it, forget it, and not realize you've forgotten it.

I prefer my intense / well-written flash cards. Haven't taken a single note yet in M1, and it's been smooth sailing thus far.
 
I have a question for all of you. It's pretty simple really. Do you ever get stressed when you see the intense / well written notes that your classmates write? Sometimes I'm like dang it would be nice to have a nice set of notes that has class lectures / material simplified in a well structured, thought-out, summary or overview. I personally go to a school where the first semester of classes the exams are written by professors so I been making my own Anki cards. Next semester we start organ blocks and our exams are NBME, so I probably won't even be attending or streaming lectures at all. But anyways, thoughts? Comments? Suggestions / tips
If you've got your own cards, with the same info on them as your classmates' notes...you're ahead of hte game!
 
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@mehc012 @Gurby You guys using your own cards or Anki/bro's? I have been making my own cards but have learned i'm not that great at it. Some are good, some suck. Was thinking of starting Zanki early and then end of the week making 100ish cards I think are high yield for the topics I covered that week (1st semester is faculty written exams)
 
how long do you guys spend on anki? like 6-10 hours a day?
 
@mehc012 @Gurby You guys using your own cards or Anki/bro's? I have been making my own cards but have learned i'm not that great at it. Some are good, some suck. Was thinking of starting Zanki early and then end of the week making 100ish cards I think are high yield for the topics I covered that week (1st semester is faculty written exams)
I make my own, but very slowly, along with FA. I use FC to make sure I'm not falling behind in the meantime. Mine is a strange, redundant system, though, and not a little weird...
how long do you guys spend on anki? like 6-10 hours a day?
I never even spent that long on anki when I was MCATing and using nothing but Anki and practice tests. Way too much.
 
I make my own, but very slowly, along with FA. I use FC to make sure I'm not falling behind in the meantime. Mine is a strange, redundant system, though, and not a little weird...

I never even spent that long on anki when I was MCATing and using nothing but Anki and practice tests. Way too much.
Ahh that it interesting! But I do see why you may do that. You must have faculty written exams? What’s your opinion on both? and thank you for your Anki central post, it’s been extremely helpful!
 
@mehc012 @Gurby You guys using your own cards or Anki/bro's? I have been making my own cards but have learned i'm not that great at it. Some are good, some suck. Was thinking of starting Zanki early and then end of the week making 100ish cards I think are high yield for the topics I covered that week (1st semester is faculty written exams)

I've been making my own based on lecture material or textbooks if the post lecture slides/notes aren't satisfactory. What you describe seems like it might be a good strategy.

how long do you guys spend on anki? like 6-10 hours a day?

I'm probably in that 6-10 hours/day range... Anki (and turning practice questions into Anki cards) is literally the only thing I do to study.

I'm really not sure what the best approach will be for me, and probably won't be able to say until after I get back my Step 1 score. I've been making cards for basically every detail presented in lecture or textbook. This is a big time commitment, but it makes class tests a breeze, and I feel having a deep knowledge base can only help for Step 1. I really want a 250+ so knowing some random detail might make the difference.

On the other hand, we have unranked P/F pre-clinical so scoring above 80% on in-class quizzes is basically pointless. There likely are diminishing returns on the depth/detail I'm learning, and maybe I would be better served by saving time with Zanki cards, and spending all those extra hours doing research. I just can't break myself of that "learn all the things" mindset. Only 2 months into M1 so I'm sure my methods will adjust as time goes on.
 
Not at all. I get stressed out by the idea of having written notes like that. I like Anki because every piece of information I put onto a flash card is something I will retain for as long as I can muster the energy to keep reviewing. I find comfort in that. There is no way to avoid it - if you can't remember something, the program will keep bashing you over the head with it until it clicks. Just make sure you get all the important things down onto flash cards and you're good to go. With notes it's easy to look at something, think you know it, forget it, and not realize you've forgotten it.

I prefer my intense / well-written flash cards. Haven't taken a single note yet in M1, and it's been smooth sailing thus far.

How do you decide what is worth to make a flash card out of ?
 
How do you decide what is worth to make a flash card out of ?

I pretty much make cards of everything, and often make multiple cards about things that seem particularly important or likely to be pimp questions, etc. If I carry on at this pace I'll have ~40k cards by the end of the 2 pre-clinical years. I doubt this is the optimal approach at a P/F unranked school, but so far so good...
 
I pretty much make cards of everything, and often make multiple cards about things that seem particularly important or likely to be pimp questions, etc. If I carry on at this pace I'll have ~40k cards by the end of the 2 pre-clinical years. I doubt this is the optimal approach at a P/F unranked school, but so far so good...

Nice! I am experimenting with Firecracker, and making atleast 5 anki cards per lecture.
 
IMO Anki/FC shouldn't replace lecture.
 
Ahh that it interesting! But I do see why you may do that. You must have faculty written exams? What’s your opinion on both? and thank you for your Anki central post, it’s been extremely helpful!
Nah, I just learn better from making cards than solely repeating them. My exams are essay based, so as long as you know the concepts, you're good.

FC is good, some of its questions are, well...questionable...but if you report them, they fix that ASAP. I love having at least some semblance of explanation right there. It's what I do with my own cards. I strive to make a deck that is also a reference source for me in the future.
 
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I pretty much make cards of everything, and often make multiple cards about things that seem particularly important or likely to be pimp questions, etc. If I carry on at this pace I'll have ~40k cards by the end of the 2 pre-clinical years. I doubt this is the optimal approach at a P/F unranked school, but so far so good...
Wow, that is a huge time commitment. I started with anki and just found that I spent more time making the cards then I did reviewing them. I have a FC subscription but low key hate it. I'm very good at memorizing for short term but need to find something that will help for the long term memorization necessary for step 1. I'm thinking I'll just use pre-made anki decks but it's tough to find good ones
 
Very jealous that your in house exams are well written NBME exams instead of garbage exam quests written by PhDs testing on irreverent stuff.
And at last, as an M1, I begin to see the reasons for the MD/PhD divide................
 
I have a question for all of you. It's pretty simple really. Do you ever get stressed when you see the intense / well written notes that your classmates write? Sometimes I'm like dang it would be nice to have a nice set of notes that has class lectures / material simplified in a well structured, thought-out, summary or overview. I personally go to a school where the first semester of classes the exams are written by professors so I been making my own Anki cards. Next semester we start organ blocks and our exams are NBME, so I probably won't even be attending or streaming lectures at all. But anyways, thoughts? Comments? Suggestions / tips

I'm a M2, and I still have no idea what this mythical "Firecracker" thing is.

Am I in trouble?
 
I'm a M2, and I still have no idea what this mythical "Firecracker" thing is.

Am I in trouble?
Trouble? Nah. It's a decent shortcut if you like flashcards, is all.
 
I pretty much make cards of everything, and often make multiple cards about things that seem particularly important or likely to be pimp questions, etc. If I carry on at this pace I'll have ~40k cards by the end of the 2 pre-clinical years. I doubt this is the optimal approach at a P/F unranked school, but so far so good...
I’m exactly there with you. Will be at exactly 41k cards at this rate, though I’m assuming (hoping) I won’t have 120+ cards/lecture when anatomy is over in a couple weeks.

It really does make class exams a breeze and takes away that “pre-exam stress” of feeling like you have to review 40 lectures worth of notes.
 
took notes for the longest time and kept rewriting them until they were perfect. abandoned that and i focus on anki. for me it's the most intelligent way to study and retain info since it has the spaced rep algorithm applied.
 
I was an engineer in undergrad and as such really had no idea how to study this kind of material coming in. I've been through every iteration of using study guides and anki/FC, and I'll give my humble opinion, with the strong caveat that while humans are overall pretty similar, some people really do study more effectively using different strategies, and it really is about what's best for you.

Study guides for each lecture: Good for bigger picture, but time consuming and ultimately bad for details, and med school is big on details. Using this strategy I scored below average (we are a true P/F school).

Making anki cards for lecture: IMO this is inefficient and fails to capture the bigger picture because you spend so much time on flashcards. People tend to look at 2 or 3 nit-picky questions on the test and say, "wow, they really want you to know every detail." Probably though, if there were 100 questions on that test, and you got 10-15 wrong, more of that was due to poor understanding than not knowing the side detail in the lecture notes. If you employ this strategy, really just look at each slide/paragraph and ask yourself, "will this be on the exam, realistically?" If yes, make one card that encompasses the greater take away, include the slide in the extra section of the card so you can passively absorb the other details. For high yield slides (e.g. a table with characteristics of various diseases, bugs, drugs, etc...), anki is the best way to learn.

Using FC: Massive waste of time and money IMO. I bought it and regret it. I don't know anyone in real life who has claimed to have used it successfully, and have only ever even heard it advocated for online.

Bros/Premade decks: Awesome for use along with class, and amazing for long term retention. 3-4 months after covering a deck though, the information will get fragmented, and you will lose the bigger picture. Unless you form strong mneumonics, you will not remember individual, no-context details like genetic inheritance or inhibitors/activators of biochemical pathways. However, I know that the daily time commitment is low for those decks (e.g. my biochem deck had 4 cards due today), and it keeps me thinking about and seeing these pathways. When this material comes up again in systems (e.g. gout, lactic acidosis due to alcohol, etc...) it is very easy to slip back into it and remember the full pathway. I anticipate that I will have a much, much easier time rebuilding my knowledge come dedicated study time because I've kept up with the deck.

If you can't tell, I ultimately chose to go with pre-made decks, and I'm a few months into M2 doing a little above average. Last year I made class decks and did significantly better than average. However, I'm able to pull 80%+ on Qbanks, so I'm probably learning something extra somewhere. You can't keep up with the number of anki cards necessary to do very well in class, so while you'll learn those extra details, do you really think you'll be able to recall them any better on step 1 test day than if you had studied them without the cards? I doubt I could. I personally have a tough time getting questions right reliably unless I really know a concept, not just remember some random association (though it does happen). Ultimately, I take that extra time I would have spent on making cards and spend it on Qbanks and making sure I'm completely done all studying by 9 pm at the latest. Usually I'll catch a drink with friends at that point, hang out with the GF, or just relax for a few hours before going to sleep.
 
Firecracker is provided at my school for all students free of charge. I use it religiously and I find it to be a god send. I also personally know several upperclassmen who have scored 250s, 260s, and one 270+ using firecracker. Obviously, it's not for everyone, but if it works for you (like myself) it really is an amazing resource.
I'm interested to hear how you utilize FC. Are you an M1 or M2? When you say you use FC religiously, is it your main resource to study for your exams? Or do you just focus on slides from class and use FC on the side? I guess what I'm really trying to get at is see if FC has become a strong enough replacement for your school's lecture materials to successfully prepare you to score well on in-house exams (i.e. above class average).
 
Anki is great for details and factoids that you've gotta drill down, eg mechanics of a reaction.

Its not there for conceptual mastery.

Anki is great for me because I grasp abstract concepts very easily but am probably below average for details. Refreshing key details when I'm waiting in line for lunch, have 10 minutes to kill waiting for someone, etc is nothing short of invaluable.
Anki is good for conceptual mastery if you are really good at making flashcards. Tbh., most people suck at this.
 
I'm an M1. I don't attend or watch lecture, but I try to study that day's power points and notes sometimes I get a lecture or two behind. Then, I go to firecracker, find the topics that mostly correlate with the same material, read the topic, and then mark as current. Even if it's not exactly the same content, if it's close enough, it gets a mark. I also mark any random topics that I mostly understand from undergrad, mostly cell biology / biochemistry stuff, and easy to learn topics such as epidemiology and bioethics. I do firecracker every day, which is typically about 95 cards now (I'm 18% marked) and it takes 1.5 hours to go through. I'm a very slow reader and I take my time going through each card and googling info I don't understand. I go through each lecture's notes and PowerPoint three times before each exam. I'm scoring within two to three points of the top scorer on each exam and feel like I'm keeping up with boards material at a much more significant degree than most of my classmates.
Are your exams currently faculty written or NBME though? That sounds solid but 95 cards a day doesn't seem like much but I wouldn't know I haven't tried to use FC much.
 
Using FC: Massive waste of time and money IMO. I bought it and regret it. I don't know anyone in real life who has claimed to have used it successfully, and have only ever even heard it advocated for online.

Find me IRL.

In all seriousness, you probably don't hear much about it because of all the negative reactions it gets (case in point, open just about any thread ever made on SDN about it to read a bunch of people posting stuff along the exact same lines as you, if not more inflammatory). I used it every single day of M1/M2 and never talked about it with anybody but my close friends because I wasn't interested in hearing others' opinions about how it was/wasn't a good idea or waste of time. Additionally, it used be called gunner training and I'm not sure it's managed to shed the reputation that it's for people who are a little over the top, which also made me less likely to be forthcoming about the fact that I used it. Advocating for it online is much easier.
 
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I'm only a few months into M1 and I've been using Anki with success. However, as some people on this thread have said previously, it can be way too many cards if you do every lecture and slide. That's why I only make cards out of First Aid. It's helping me memorize the basic biochemistry facts cold and then the minutia in my lectures I just review and hope for the best on exams. I'm also writing all the "high yield" lecture material in the margins of my FA book. I've only had a few exams but I think it's working well, scoring above average.

By the end of next year I'll have a flash card for everything in FA memorized and annotated notes through my FA book.
 
Definitely running into the "too many cards" problem. Doing well so far, but it's pretty exhausting....How does one ween themselves off Anki??

In Anki, I have a deck called "Everything". Within that I have a sub-deck of material for the upcoming quiz/test, and another subdeck for review material. My daily workflow is: Do all scheduled cards for upcoming quiz -> create cards for new material -> review old cards. This prioritizes the new material, and the amount of review I do just depends on how much time and energy I have. You could also cap the number of daily reviews in the "old material" subdeck if you find you're getting overwhelmed.
 
I'm only a few months into M1 and I've been using Anki with success. However, as some people on this thread have said previously, it can be way too many cards if you do every lecture and slide. That's why I only make cards out of First Aid. It's helping me memorize the basic biochemistry facts cold and then the minutia in my lectures I just review and hope for the best on exams. I'm also writing all the "high yield" lecture material in the margins of my FA book. I've only had a few exams but I think it's working well, scoring above average.

By the end of next year I'll have a flash card for everything in FA memorized and annotated notes through my FA book.
Why don’t you just use a pre-made deck then? or do you feel that you learn by making your cards? honest question, I’m curious
 
I'm sure if you consistently dedicate 2-3 hours to it every single day, you'll have success whether you used FC or Anki. Having tried both last year, I decided to commit to Anki because it is:
1) More customizable (super easy to edit cards, add images, or create new cards)
2) Better spaced repetition algorithm
3) Cards that stick to the minimum information principle - 1 fact per card (download the premade Zanki deck)
 
Why don’t you just use a pre-made deck then? or do you feel that you learn by making your cards? honest question, I’m curious

Yeah, I like being able to learn as I make them and make cards only on things I'm being tested at the current time. I also like to make my cards in a specific way and then tag them how I like. Making them only based on FA makes it so I have manageable number to memorize. For example I only have about 200 for my biochem test tomorrow and that's for a 3rd of the semester. For the first 3rd of the semester I had 600 which was too many.
 
Yeah, I like being able to learn as I make them and make cards only on things I'm being tested at the current time. I also like to make my cards in a specific way and then tag them how I like. Making them only based on FA makes it so I have manageable number to memorize. For example I only have about 200 for my biochem test tomorrow and that's for a 3rd of the semester. For the first 3rd of the semester I had 600 which was too many.
Yeah I ran into that problem too. So mid-way through this block I started using Zanki deck and trying to pull relevant cards, but I still make cards relevant to my lectures if theres gaps that aren't covered because right now my exams are faculty written.
 
I've been making my own based on lecture material or textbooks if the post lecture slides/notes aren't satisfactory. What you describe seems like it might be a good strategy.



I'm probably in that 6-10 hours/day range... Anki (and turning practice questions into Anki cards) is literally the only thing I do to study.

I'm really not sure what the best approach will be for me, and probably won't be able to say until after I get back my Step 1 score. I've been making cards for basically every detail presented in lecture or textbook. This is a big time commitment, but it makes class tests a breeze, and I feel having a deep knowledge base can only help for Step 1. I really want a 250+ so knowing some random detail might make the difference.

On the other hand, we have unranked P/F pre-clinical so scoring above 80% on in-class quizzes is basically pointless. There likely are diminishing returns on the depth/detail I'm learning, and maybe I would be better served by saving time with Zanki cards, and spending all those extra hours doing research. I just can't break myself of that "learn all the things" mindset. Only 2 months into M1 so I'm sure my methods will adjust as time goes on.

I've started doing the exact same thing this year. I struggled at times in M1 with trying to retain everything just by reading over the lecture notes and doing practice questions. This year I'm turning every thing into my own Anki cards and I feel like I am on top of everything. I'll have several thousand cards and will be spending an increasing amount of time doing them as the semester goes on, but if it keep performing as well as I did on the last test it will all be worth it.

I'm completely sold on making your own cards and putting whatever time is needed into anki. Changed my results completely.
 
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